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Closing Statements.

Let's face it. Next year, you would rather that Kevin Gregg will never be given the chance to close a single game for the Orioles. In fact, you could even be like me, in that you hope he starts pitching for another team. Maybe even someone else in the AL East, so we can pummel his crappy fastball or simply let him walk us like everybody else. Last year, he posted a 6.03 BB/9, almost twice the league average of 3.11. His only decent pitch was a slider and even then his k/9 of 7.99 (barely average) and seven blown saves point in one direction: the exit.

Some say that with the recent acquisitions that add up to fierce (in the Tyra Bank's sense) competition for rotation spots, Jim Johnson will stay in the bullpen, despite the late-last-season speculation of a new starting gig. While I confess that I was looking forward to seeing Jimmy getting the chance to put some real innings in, I'm not sure that I like the idea of messing with one of the few bright spots that the Orioles have left.

But is Jim Johnson going to be our closer? At the end of the 2011 season, it sure looked that way. Buck Showalter had finally grown tired of Gregg's failures and thus Johnson got the last handful of chances that the Orioles had to close out a game. There weren't many, but it was still a nice glimpse at what could be. Johnson ended last season a 2.67 ERA, which was nice, even if his FIP was more like 3.22 and he did manage to blow five saves.

It seems however, that Dan Duquette doesn't fully trust Johnson to handle the highly regarded (and subsequently overrated) closing duties for the Orioles. We've had extremely poor luck with signing closers, and yet it looks like we might make another stab at a mediocre and somewhat expensive finisher. Today, MLB Trade Rumors reported that the Orioles have talked to the Reds about Francisco Cordero. Cordero has closed tons of games, the most of any active player besides Mariano Rivera, but you have to wonder how many he will be able to save in the coming season. After all, he turns 37 and Fan Graphs just put up a great article on exactly why any team (and thus the O's) should be concerned about signing Cordero. For one, his k/9 has dropped steadily for the last four seasons, from 12 in 2007, to just 5 in 2011. He has started throwing a lousy slider and is relying heavily on a change up which doesn't seem to be fooling anyone. Sure, he still posted a nice ERA of 2.45 but that was in Cincinatti. Not the AL East. Plus, his BABIP was only .215, compared with the league .298 and his FIP was actually 4.02. If his strikeout rate continues to drop, this makes him even less valuable than Kevin Gregg. Well, almost.

There was talk with Seattle during the winter meetings about Brandon League, but those went nowhere. Too bad, because I like League's velocity and potential almost as I much as I love his hair. All this said, I don't want the Orioles to hire anyone under the agreement that they will be the closer.

Maybe it's the fact that I'm rereading Moneyball right now but Billy Beane's theories surrounding the creation of value in making any decent reliever into a closer seem like they're worth considering right now. Especially after McPhail made the wonderful choice of signing Kevin Gregg to replace good ol' Michael Gonzalez. Clearly, spending more money is not the best answer. So why not take a page from moneyball? Why not create a trade chip? This team needs to worry about getting the lead more than keeping the lead at this point and wouldn't it be nice to mold some of our short term answers into long term solutions? I think that is exactly what Duquette has been trying to do and we know from experience how overrated closers can be. Someone in Camden Chat brought up the very realistic and rather unexciting idea of giving Alfredo Simon a shot at closing duties. Again. Get it? A shot? Well, the idea is better than the joke. But it happened before (I mean Simon closing) and it wouldn't be such a bad idea to try it again. He wasn't incredible before, but his save rate back in 2010 was still slightly better than Gregg's was (81% to 76%) last year, and I truly believe that Alfredo has matured since then. His WHIP, k/9, BB/9, and HR/9 have all improved over the last three years and I see no reason why the big guy can't take another step forward this season. Especially for whatever we end up paying him.

Regardless of who Buck chooses to save games (and let's hope that there are opportunities to be had) I wonder if Duquette will choose to start from within. Another reliever might be nice, but we don't need another Kevin Gregg. Hell, I'm actually tickled with the rumor that we might eat some of his contract just to get rid of him. I encourage the Orioles front office, who I know read my blog religiously and with great interest, to save the money and not hire another washed up closer that can't finish. If it's not going to be great, can we just skip the annoyance of having to shell out more dough just to have our hearts broken yet again? Let our next closer be someone that we already have.

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Hear, Hear!

I cannot agree more. Try out a bunch of the many relievers we have, see who sticks.

“Closers” are over-rated, and as everyone knows, it’s more about using your best pitcher (Johnson) in the highest-leverage situation (often th 7th, not the 9th).

And for god’s sake, if anyone will give us ANYTHING for Gregg, let’s get hi the hell out of Charm City.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Jan 17, 2012 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

A hearty rec for you!

I agree with zk, the closer position is overrated. I think there’s far too much pressure associated with the role, and while that’s not exactly measurable, the blown saves somehow must reach beyond pure suckitude. Yes, Kevin Gregg is an awful, awful pitcher, and even in a less high pressure role he would probably suck.However, even halfway decent closers meltdown every so often, including the very good ones for that matter. Remember Craig Kimbrel, arguably baseball’s most effective closer last season, who blew it with the Braves playoff hopes on the line? Was it rookie nerves? It’s all conjecture, to be sure, but I certainly wish there was more substantial evidence to prove my “theory.”

Bottom line: get the fuck out of Baltimore, Kevin Gregg. You’ve shortened my life by at least five years, and I’m suing you.

Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 17, 2012 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

Hah! Excellent closing statement.
Bottom line: get the fuck out of Baltimore, Kevin Gregg. You’ve shortened my life by at least five years, and I’m suing you.

by nattybroh on Jan 17, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, Kimbrel probably started blowing games because he was overworked.

Same with Venters. But, it is hard to say and relievers are indeed prone to high amounts of variation in their performance.

by ahoque24 on Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure about Simon in the 9th

But we have O’Day and Strop in the fold, both of whom have potential.

As for Gregg, he is a sunk cost. No reason to sell low, no matter how frustrating he is. Might as well stick him in middle relief and hope for a hot streak right before the trade deadline, a la Mike Gonzalez.

Nice post, BTW. Particularly the Cordero analysis.

by Dave Mc on Jan 17, 2012 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

As a Cordero owner in fantasy for the past few season, I’ve watched his K rate slowly drop while there were constant rumors of him being replaced by Aroldis Chapman. He somehow put up a nice ERA in the inferior league despite his slowly dying arm, but he will get absolutely pummeled in the AL East.

Brandon League can be wild as well but seems to be a much safer bet than anyone else mentioned in this article (not to mention anyone in our bullpen besides Johnson). And by that I mean a much safer bet to be a reliable pitcher in the O’s bullpen. None of this guaranteed closer job talk.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 17, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I Almost Tossed Strop Into This...

But his sample size is just too small to say anything meaningful.
He pitched about twenty one innings last year and looked great, and Showalter praised the young righty and talked about how anything is possible for Strop. Including starting. Regardless, I look forward to seeing a lot more of him.
You can listen to Buck talk about Pedro here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz77PITzLyI
Count how many times he says “you know”. Then ask yourself if you know.
Oh, and as for O’Day, I’m curious. He had good seasons in ‘09 and ’10, but last year something went wrong and all of his numbers blew up. Let’s hope he can get back on track.

by Bird of Pray on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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