Saturday Bird Droppings
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PrintJust three weeks until pitchers and catchers report! And of course, that day is very exciting but then we all get bored again waiting for Opening Day, which is still 68 days away.
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Happy Saturday everyone
Just got Netflix this past week so I decided to finally start watching Breaking Bad at about midnight. Terrible idea. I still haven’t slept.
Robert Andino, let me buy you a beer.
Absolutely no shortage of "what the fuck" moments.
I haven’t gotten into a show like this since The Wire. Like, where I know I should sleep or do something productive but I flat out cannot.
Robert Andino, let me buy you a beer.
Plus I used to live in Albuquerque
so it’s awesome seeing things I recognize.
Robert Andino, let me buy you a beer.
that's one of the great things about that show
it’s not like NCIS that takes place in “DC” but you obviously can tell it’s just LA.
It's most definitely Albuquerque.
“Wynn” High School is actually Rio Rancho HS. I used to live about a half mile from it, and I would have gone there if I didn’t go to the alternative school instead, Independence HS.
Robert Andino, let me buy you a beer.
You ain't seen nothin' yet son...
There are like 2 or 3 of the biggest WTF moments I’ve had in my life in Season 4.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Season 4 has actually been pretty slow so far
Especially following the climax of season 3. I’m about 5 or 6 eps in. A couple of tense Hank and Walt moments though.
by camdenchad on Jan 28, 2012 12:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just moving some chess pieces around.
Get back to me after the last three episodes.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 12:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thats really every Breaking Bad season
AV Club described it like this :
Breaking Bad will take its time, episode after episode, carefully setting up dominoes, and then in an instant knock them all down with one impulsive swipe, rather then going for the traditional topple.
i wanted to like it, i really did
but it bored me
by Luke E on Jan 28, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Top of the morning to you fellas.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I feel bad for you career folks.
Not being able to occasionally pull an all-nighter every once and a while.
Robert Andino, let me buy you a beer.
I meant to say, "...occasionally pull an all-nighter just because you feel like it."
But sleep-deprivation and all, I messed it up.
Robert Andino, let me buy you a beer.
yeah... i definintely miss those
I still pull the occasional stay up till 3, 4, or 5 watching a tv series or playing a game.
going to bed and waking up super early (like 3am) is the new “all nighter” for me.
I stayed up till 3:30 playing Fifa
Last night. Struggling.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jan 28, 2012 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was up until 4 watching breaking bad.
Slept until just now though…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yea....can't do it.
I’ve been able to get to about 3 or 4, but that’s it. Just don’t get enough sleep anymore for all nighters to ever be worth it. Also..I will NEVER pull an all nighter for work.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 28, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
New debate, best cereal
I like Life, kind of simple, still sweet enough for me.
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 28, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions
with milk
or dry. I eat it by the handful
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 10:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
both, Life is my preference in both.
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 28, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Dry, i keep a box of Kashi Golean Crunch in my desk at work
a lot of other healthy cereals i think taste like cardboard, but that one i actually like a lot and it has a lot of protein in it so its really filling. With milk, i like something a lot sweeter, usually corn pops or cinnamon toast crunch.
The box that Kashi Golean Crunch comes in probably tastes better than the cereal.
I’ve started to enjoy the apple granola from Trader Joes. It isn’t healthy, but definitely not as bad as eating sweeter cereals.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 28, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Peanut butter Cap'n Crunch rules over all others.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 28, 2012 10:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is my favorite these days.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Cinnamon Toast Crunch
anyone that feels differently has a terribly incorrect opinion
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Knew I liked you for a reason...
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 28, 2012 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Flagged for blatant plagarism
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Ugh...
I hate cereal. I think it’s disgusting.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 28, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
boo this man!
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Honey nut cheerios.
But I’ll also get down with smacks, kix, apple jacks, raisin bran, cinnamon toast crunch, and fruity pebbles.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jan 28, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cheerios
Apple cinnamon……..Apple Jacks with a lot less sugar or so it seems, I should check the box sometime.
"I think not sucking is way more of an important thing to pay attention to first." -- Gabe Newell
by Mike Uhrich on Jan 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wanna know what kind of board everyone's getting waiting for opening day
and why am i not getting it.
@sibsinExile
bored? or board. I don't get it
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 10:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh, she's gonna loooooooooove that.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
So
Hardball Talk thinks the O’s lineup is “intriguing”.
Personally, I’d call it “horrifyingly mediocre with threat of disaster”, but that’s just me.
I've decided that "intriguing" is one of those words professional media types use when they don't have anything else to say.
And it doesn’t really mean anything.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
maybe...
but i tend to agree w/ matt pouillot on this count (though i don’t see roberts in the lineup, adam jones w/ an OBP that high or reimold w/ one that low).
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
the lineup could even be pretty good
its the run prevention that’ll give you a heart attack
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
it'll be interesting, for sure...
still not sure adam jones is on the orioles on opening day.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, this
I don’t think our offense will be below average.
Our pitching/defense will be somewhere between dreadful and historically dreadful.
Seriously, CBS?
And so it’s time to knock out a preliminary 2012 Power Rankings, evaluating how baseball’s 29 professional-grade teams and the Orioles performed this winter.
Fuck that.
It clearly should say 28 professional-grade teams and the Orioles and Pirates.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jan 28, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Orioles recent track record probably indicates that they do deserve the occasional dig...
… but really, the Pirates? The Astros? What’re they doing so great right now?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 28, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
the astros are the worst
for reals
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the astros have made some very, very smart hires this winter
they’re setting up their front office in a great way.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
yup, they hired mike fast.
although they hired some lady whose name i can’t remember who looked woefully underqualified for some key position.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Who gives a shit how fast they hired him?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 3:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Who specifically are you thinking about in the front office?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
my two cents: Mike Fast and Sig Mejdal. Stephanie Wilka is the strange hiring that I didn’t get. She’s the coordinator of amateur scouting but she doesn’t have any scouting background. I think her background is in fundraising and community relations.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Sig is the mastermind there
and he’s an outstanding, outstanding hire.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Ah ok
Curious if my buddy made it onto your radar screens, but I figured not. I was surprised to see news articles about the negotiation to bring him over – didn’t think he was high enough to warrant attention.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
It's fashionable for the national media to trash the Orioles this offseason.
And I think it’s all because they like making Peter Angelos jokes.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
at least we didn't trade our only two good players for Jack shit.
the astros have an awful MLB team and an awful farm. like both wayyyy worse than the os.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Pirates have a borderline top 10 farm system, i think Sickels had them 12th
I’m pretty convinced they’re in better shape than us
Farm systems are always debatable... what looks great today fails tomorrow (see: Hobgood, Matt).
… and the Pirates’ run of futility is longer than the Orioles’.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 28, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
False: Matt Hobgood never looked great
by kba26 on Jan 28, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I hate to do this, rec'd.
Rec’ing that has reminded me of the futility that is the O’s farm system.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 28, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Until they have a winning season
they are worse off than us.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jan 28, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
What's this "us" shit?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
The Pirates have a better farm system in place...
The Astros just got new ownership and a new GM who look to be doing the right things.
On the bright side
This should make Red Sox fans feel even worse about last year.
"I think not sucking is way more of an important thing to pay attention to first." -- Gabe Newell
by Mike Uhrich on Jan 28, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so...
the rays just dfa’d this guy to make room for jeff keppinger. worth a look, duq.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
Former Cubs prospect
Where’s Andy MacPhail when you need him?
Interesting, but that .396 BABIP in AAA is not quite sustainable
Anybody know a site that lists L/R splits for the minor leagues? I’d like to see Canzler’s.
by TheTrapezoidConspiracy on Jan 28, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
good bb rates throughout, though.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
beware!
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Than it must be OsFan's FAVORITE!!!!!
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 12:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Watched it last week
I found it pretty weak, but the wife liked it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The directing job by Clooney left much to be desired.
But it was still a 90th percentile movie
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 28, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite Baltimore sportswriter (Kevin Van Valkenburg) is leaving The Sun to work for ESPN.
I’m not sure who that leaves at the top of the heap in this town now. There are some fine beat reporters, but KVV is/was the best writer by far.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions
wasn't there another sun writer who recently left for ESPN?
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 28, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, the Ravens beat writer Jamison Hensley also joined ESPN in the last few months.
I guess talent still incubates around here, even in a broke-ass newspaper.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
so I missed yesterday around here
thoughts on Edwin? I’d take him for 4/40 -4/43 that would be a coup
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:13 PM EST via Android app reply actions
3+ war the past three years
getting paid like a 2 war player? I dunno, doesn’t seem like the worst thing we could do
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It isn't the worst thing the Orioles could do (and what's with the "we" shit?)...
…but like nearly every other move the Orioles have made this offseason, it would be utterly pointless. With the new CBA, there is no way to construe the difference between winning 78 games as opposed to winning 75 to have anything but negative value to the Orioles franchise. That’s forty million dollars you are spending that long term makes us worse and not better.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
sorry about the we
but other than blocking possible development any cost surplus seems like a smart move to me
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd agree with this and add
…essentially he’d be Guthrie’s replacement moving forward.
It’s nice to think that all the young guys are gonna live up to their promise, but it’s just not going to happen. Some veteran presence is needed and neither PA nor Duq are going to shell out the money for anyone better.
Take the value where you can get it.
Also, his FIP has gone down for like the past 5 years. So while the WHIP ain’t pretty, there are positives there.
The only thing that really worries me is last years LD%.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
There are no rewards in baseball for winning 78 games while only spending the money requSay ired to win 72. Being cost efficient without contending is not something that has any tangible benefits – it isn’t like we are shareholders in the Orioles, we are fans. There is ample evidence that both throughout baseball and in Baltimore in particular, poor results are punished whether they are delivered at a financial loss or at a financial profit.
The goal – the ONLY goal – that benefits fans and that truly benefits the bottom line of the Orioles is contention, particularly sustained contention. That means developing, retaining, and acquiring stars, because complementary players are only of value when they are actually complementing something. Jackson may cost us $10 million a year and be “worth” $12 million, but that saved $2 million isn’t the difference between extending Wieters or not, nor is it the difference between signing a high upside free agent like Cespedes or not. Taking the entirety of the proposed contract for Jackson and putting that money towards a Yu Darvish or another high cost acquisition of a star player or an eventual extension for someone like Machado does help the Orioles build a core of stars, at which point spending on complimentary players makes sense.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
a surplus
is a surplus. that’s money that can be used somewhere else while getting better. coat controlled players are a surplus. this represents less of one but it still is one, it’s part of building a team. if he gets us 9 war in three years, and we ship him off it will be for a decent return. I just don’t get don’t pay anyone ever even if it’s under market value just because we aren’t winning. how do you expect to ever win like that?
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
By having high draft picks and only spending money when it really matters
The Nationals were the worst team in baseball several years running. They used top picks to draft at least two superstars, paid to obtain a top free agent, got lucky in developing some cheap complementary players, and used their prospect surplus to trade for another high performing young player. And they had the wisdom not to toss around $40 million dollars on players who aren’t difference makers.
And they are miles closer to contending than the Orioles are.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
How's that Werth deal working out?
Also, they were the absolute worst 2 years in a row. Two years in which there were clear cut #1 draft picks leaps and bounds above everyone else.
The likelihood of that happening to the O’s is ssub-minimal.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
it also happened to be years
when elite once in twenty year talents were at the top. strasburg and Harper don’t come around every year, even to the worst team
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So far, not well, but not tragically
And saying the deal is a bust after one season seems to be jumping to conclusions in my opinion.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I habe no qualms...
…about saying that contract will never be lived up to.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
*have
stupid fingers
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
"Lived up to" is a strange way to put it
I think teams are, in general, better off paying $20 million to get $12 million in value than I think they are in paying $5 million to get $6 million. Fangraphs has Werth as being worth $11.4 million last season, in a highly aberrant season for him. Finding a corner outfielder who is worth $12 million a season on the free agent market is very hard. Overpaying for it isn’t the worst thing you can do, particularly if you think that he will be worth more in the future, even if the “more” isn’t the full value of his contract.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
That's an interesting way to look at it, but...
it assumes that teams have unlimited resources. If you have a maximum budget of $100 million, you can only pay 5 players $20 mil to get that $12 mil of value, giving you a total “real” value of $70 million. If you pay $5 mil to get $6 mil of value, you can get 20 players, giving you $120 mil of “real” value.
Of course, it’s not nearly that simple.
Sort of...
…as you say, it isn’t that simple, but the problem of playing time is why I favor my model over yours. A team can hardly give playing time to 20 players at once; realistically, about 15 players will log the overwhelming majority of innings. Because of the limits of how many players you can play, one $12 million dollar player and one $1 million dollar player produces more than two six million dollar players.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You don't need to give playing time to 20 players to get $6 of value out of them
You have 9 position players and 5 starting pitchers. Easy to get $6 of value per player out of those slots. Then you have a few bench players and some relievers. If you trust Fangraph’s evaluation, Koji was “worth” about $6 a year over the past two seasons. And that was pitching about 55 innings per season. Nolan Reimold had 300 PA last year and had a $6 mil value. I was talking about actual value, not potential value.
Besides the real problem is not that if you spent $20 mil per player on five $12 mil players you could have instead spent $5 mil per player on twenty $6 mil players. It’s that if you spend $20 mil on a $12 mil player and $1 mil on a $1 mil player, if you hadn’t overpaid for the $20 mil player, you could have had a $12 mil player and a $9 mil player. Unless you’re the Yankees, there’s eventually a cap in the amount you’re capable of spending (or are willing to spend).
We just spent how much time below...
…arguing about Edwin Jackson and whether he’d be worth $10m/yr for four years since that would represent good value (as he produced 3.5-3.8 WAR over the last 3 years) and here you’re arguing that teams are better off paying $20m for $12m in production.
…?
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
the nationals
got lucky to be really bad the same year two of the best prospects ever became available, and then another that slipped to them due to injury concerns… I still don’t see Werth as a top free agent, or anywhere near “werth” his cost… you admit they “got lucky” in developing some cheap, decent players.
and yet this is the model the Orioles are supposed to follow?
by Luke E on Jan 28, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ryan Zimmerman wasn't the first overall pick
And he’s one of the superstars, not Harper. Picking third or fourth as opposed to eleventh is important, that’s my point. Winning a couple more meaningless games while still not contending, by that standard, harms the franchise.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I think it is more important...
…to be able to draft and develop later round talent. You aren’t going to field an entire team of 1st round picks.
If you can’t do that, you’re pretty screwed. And drafting 175th as opposed to 168th in the 5th round isn’t that big a difference.
Look at the game’s top prospects, Matt Moore and Mike Trout. Where were they taken?
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Trout was a first round pick...
…he’s not an example of a later round talent.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Didn't mean to use him as an example of later round talent.
But he was picked at #24.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Gah.
#25.
Still, saying you need to draft in the top 5 to be successful implies that your team is incapable of finding later talent, which means they are incompetent. If they are incompetent, they’re screwed anyway.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying that you need to
I am saying that the median value of a top 5 pick compared to a pick from 11-20 is greater than the value of signing Edwin Jackson to a contract that provides one Win Above Replacement to a 75 win team without paying for it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
If you're a 75 win team...
…you’re picking 12th this year anyway.
If you’re a 78 win team, you’re picking 13th.
Not that much difference.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
No, it isn't
But it certainly helps put into perspective the lack of value for a non-contending team in spending $40 million to gain three wins.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Well...
What are the odds that a player provides 3 more wins/year than the guy picked just after him?
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the draft position
If we are talking, for example, about #1 and #2 overall, the odds are quite good. It also varies based on the year. In 2010, for example, you can easily see the difference in value between having one of the top three picks and the fourth overall. In 2011, you can see the difference between the top seven overall and below that.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Do you really believe...
That the O’s are going to, for four years, be just on the cusp of where the talent level drops off and then miss it because of 3 wins?
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Indeed, I think the O’s are bad enough where all these marginal signings hurt the team. Anyone with less upside or higher cost than Chen is an addition that at best makes our draft position worse for no meaningful gain.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
good luck ever winning like that
you build a team towards success, not just jump 20 wins. ANY market surplus helps you do this. wins cost more the more you win, so getting people below value that you can then trade represents a move forward.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 2:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
People like to say this
Yet nearly every year lately, as many teams jump 20 wins (the Rays, the Diamondbacks) as slowly build towards success (uh, the Brewers maybe?).
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
not thru just drafting they don't
both those examples got better quick by buying well on what some would argue were underwhelming moves. meanwhile most teams do not jump 20 games. those were two examples in the last five years one in the lowly nl west
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 3:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Who said it was just drafting?
That said, drafting is a huge part of it – the most valuable player on the Rays is Evan Longoria, on the D-Backs Justin Upton, each of whom was a top three pick. Without those players, neither team would be a contender.
Further, it doesn’t happen often because most teams who are bad don’t get better – year in and out, mostly the same teams are good and the same teams are bad.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
which by the way
would be a 150% roi
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Also, the plurality of valuable players selected in the draft...
…are from the top three rounds. Yes, the late round gems make a big difference. But teams are quite good at identifying the best prospects, and by and large, the domestic players contributing as pros were expected to contribute as amateurs.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
the Orioles have picked top 10 every year but one since 2001
and what do they have to show for it? Markakis (complementary, paid like a star), Wieters (up and coming star), Matusz (downward-trending talent), two young stud prospects, and a bunch of duds.
it’s not necessarily about having the top picks, it’s what you do with them. you know that, of course, but you seem to be painting a different picture here.
This is true
But at the same time, having the top picks allows you to pick the top players, whether or not you do. Lots more stars have been selected top ten overall than from 20-30 overall, and the new CBA makes this more likely, not less.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Looking at who was picked after the Orioles picked in '05 and '06 is really depressing.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
if you're picking 21-30, then you're a contending team
I thought your point was to avoid the middling 11-20 picks, that purgatory of mediocrity during the season and in the draft.
colin cowherd subscribes to this theory. he thinks it’s why his seahawks and mariners are rarely great and rarely terrible. the seahawks are always somewhere between 10-6 and 6-10. mediocrity defined.
note: i think cowherd is a blowhard. the ravens almost always pick in the last half of the draft, and almost always find great talent. i know, I’m mixing sports. but “we” the ravens are “my” only good regional sports team.
Scouting in football i think is easier
you have a lot more data to work with, and the players are far more advanced when they’re drafted
ssh
don’t tell the browns. or Seahawks. or raiders
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 1:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I can't pretend to knowing shit about the NFL draft...
…or the NFL. All I can say is that my cursory knowledge suggests that drafting in MLB and drafting in the NFL or NBA is very, very different.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well, with the NBA
if you don’t pick in the top 10, you might as well pack it up. some years, that narrows to the top 5.
You don't really pick a "star" though, do you?
You can pick a guy with tons of talent, but the absolute “stars” (guys destined to bitchslap the game) are few and far between. There so much variance with development and injuries that the difference between picking 8th or 11th or even 14th isn’t that great.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
It's a nice idea that one day you will suddenly be a contender...
…winning on the cheap after having sucked for a long time, but it’s just not likely. And the amount of money saved not going in on Jackson is probably somewhat countered by the degree of overpay you’d have to shell out to entice a real star.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
also
not spending 10 million this year doesn’t translate to being able to spend extra next yr. it’s not that simple
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and
he was worth 19 mill last year. so between 5 million and nine million surplus is possible
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it's a habit I'm trying to kick
until im gm that is
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 12:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't understand why
whats the point of being a fan if you can’t feel like your part of the team? It seems like a really silly thing to care about.
I think there’s a line beyond which it’s unhealthy to feel like part of the team. When someone is depressed for days after their football team loses, for example.
But to some degree, I kind of feel like “we’re” more part of the team than some of the players. Players come and go, the fans are there for the long term.
and now i see this whole thing resulted in a debate down below
I will take my sad little one-line opinion and go home
yeah, i don't see what's the big deal.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
sheeeeeeeeeeit
I spend thousands of hours and dollars on my team every season. That shits “we”. I am Birdland.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 12:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I spend thousands of dollars on buying albums and concert tickets...
…and never end up thinking that I am part of the band.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Hmmm
I first saw Sonic Youth in 1991, have seen them in concert nearly every year since, bought probably 15 or so Sonic Youth albums, half a dozen t-shirts, listened to them for hours beyond counting….
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
There is no more Sonic Youth
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
there are 30 MLB teams, one in our city
how many bands are there? how many of them play shows in baltimore? is it a competition?
Bands are in a constant battle.
They are vying for your affection and $$$. But seriously, the best bands DO make you feel part of something.
I saw LCD Soundsystem at Sasquatch in 2010 and it was truly a religious experience.
I saw 10,000 people dancing the same dance.
I definitely felt the “we” that day.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
You'll laugh...
but I felt the same way when Slayer played at The Big 4 in NYC. Everyone knew every word of every song, 40,000 fist pumps at the same time…
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Not laughing at all.
I get it, man.
OWNAGE
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
The lead singer from the Birthday Massacre hugged me
And one of the guitarists engaged me in a full conversation.
I really liked them before, but now they’re going to be one of my perpetual favorites.
I think they're be a greater sense of community in this example
if that band played every show in the same city, and every night, and you rooted for that band to somehow beat other bands. its an entirely different experience and not a good metaphor
there's no winning in music
Does anybody throw a parade or party in the streets when Sonic Youth wins a Grammy? It’s a different world.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
by O'sFan21 on Jan 28, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
eh, if you're into Sonic Youth, you probably don't give a shit about the Grammies
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
There's nothing you give a shit about other than listening to the music or going to the shows
it’s entirely different than spots. That was my point.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
But lots of people will assert their music knowledge...
…entitles them to a certain sense of superiority in the same way some fans of sports teams will assert their superiority through championships.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
no way, i'd never do that
on an unrelated note, arcade fire is way better than sonic youth or anything metal.
I hate _________!
What, pitchfork gave them a 8.3?
I love ________! And I’m better than you for it!
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
The subjects about which people assert their superiority to others are limitless
but nobody is crying tears of joy, flipping over cars, or partying at a parade about it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Media people who get snobby about fans using "we" is one of my least favorite things.
The common criticism is that it’s fans thinking they’re part of the team and they frequently mock this, but I think that’s stupid. It’s fans who feel connected to a particular geographic location and having some sense of connection to one another. No one who uses “we” for that reason is deserving of the mockery they receive.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People who think that caring about semantics...
…which is, at heart, caring about the means we use as humans to communicate with other humans, or being “snobby” is one of my least favorite things. So there, we are each embodiments of one another’s antipathy. Woo hoo.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
It's too bad we're communicating with a rigid, monolithic language.
A language that lacks the potential for the same word to have multiple meanings depending on context.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, strawman argument? How about you find some heart to your point?
Saying that “we” is a pronoun that shouldn’t be applied to both a professional sports franchise and to the fans of that franchise interchangeably is hardly the same thing as saying that the language should be monolithic and rigid. Saying that people who disagree with you about how that or other pronouns should be applied are “snobby” is a fucking bullshit ad hominem. Shove your condescension up your nearest available orifice.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Boys, you're both pretty
by Stacey on Jan 28, 2012 12:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Takes a lot of product to stay that way, you know.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
If its wrong to feel somehow part of the team
the professional sports is reduced to wanting a bunch of rich overpaid assholes beat a bunch of other rich overpaid assholes at a children’s game. What is the point of that?
by kba26 on Jan 28, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If lovin' the O's is wrong
THEN I DON’T WANT TO BE RIGHT!
by DaveAA on Jan 28, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because it is fun
We don’t have to lie to ourselves to enjoy professional sports. I feel loads better about wanting a bunch of overpaid assholes to beat other overpaid assholes than I do rooting for one group of exploited college “amateurs” against another.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't agree that its a lie at all
Peter Angelos may legally own the Orioles, but structuring professional sports in a way that ties teams to cities suggests its intended to be a community asset. ‘We’ doesn’t have to imply literal ownership or participation, it can be simply collective association. I’m not lying to myself and believing i have some control over the Orioles, its just expresses alignment with the team. I really fail to see why that’s an issue.
Because while we are aligned with the team...
…there are numerous instances, including the current situation with the Orioles, where the interests of fans and the interests of the players, the front office, and team ownership are in conflict. “We” by definition implies complicity by all parties in the acts of the collective, in the sense that “we” the United States bombed Libya, even though you and I had no direct influence or approval of those actions. Even so, you and I are complicit in that act in a way that is fundamentally different from our complicity in the Orioles signing Wilson Betemit.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Buying tix = paying taxes
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think this a good point
I am complicit in the Betemit signing by in a small part providing the funds for it to happen
Yes, you are
It is complicity, but in a different way. Just like franchises are responsible in a different way than governments. What, after all, is the governmental equivalent of moving the team to Indiana?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
No
Ticket purchases are voluntary. Try not paying taxes and see what happens.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Try not paying taxes
and maybe you can run for president one day!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
It isn't the quantity that I am trying to measure
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
what i'm saying is
a voluntary act of payment makes one more complicit in the actions of that entity than a required, non-voluntary payment. when there’s a choice, there’s more responsibility. it’s the voting, not the taxes, that make us complicit in the governments affairs.
What I am saying is that voluntary payments of the sort that fans make...
…are volatile. Fans can, and do, modify their support all the time – by buying season tickets one year and a partial plan the next, by going to more or less games, to staying to the end of the game and spending more on concessions or leaving after the sixth because your team is getting spanked once more. Slight changes in fan sentiment influence the bottom line of teams in a myriad of ways.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm not sure why permanence is an issue
I can and do join and leave different groups all the time. It doesn’t make me an less of group just because its membership is transitory.
Well, permanence is an issue...
…but not a big one, at least not in the sense that I’m talking about. Permanence is a small part of the bigger question of volatility, and I think volatility is a big issue.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
The Baltimore Orioles don't exist without "us".
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 1:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You think you're better than us?
US?
U-S?
U-S-A!
No Way!
An excerpt from “New York Times”
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I can easily stop paying taxes, i just have to leave the country
and relinquish my membership in the United States. just as i can choose to be or not to be part of the Orioles by contributing my money through ticket and merchandise purchases
exactly
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
There's something inherently funny about talking about complicity in signing Betemit.
James, I disagreed with you above but I’m not trying to mock you here. I just thought it was a funny way to express it. There’s definitely a level of difference between “we, the people” and Orioles fans vis-a-vis the Orioles.
What I’d really like to know is who was complicit in signing Vlad, because that’s who we the fans need to worry about.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
MacPhail listened to the fans on Vlad
Unfortunately it’s usually the stupid ones that talk the loudest.
I'm not confused brother! I just took picture of my face, and it's deffo not my confused face. - Waj
by Christopher Claxton on Jan 28, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, don't worry about the disagreement...
..and please don’t take my use of language above as any reflection of any substantive expression of sentiment towards you – you are someone I always enjoy talking to, regardless. Even the reaction to my objection to the “we” is way out of proportion to how strongly I feel about it – I don’t think fans should say it, but it isn’t some uncrossable line that I think ought to be fought over this much. I think it is wrong, other people don’t, I still disagree, life goes on and this isn’t very important, even in the micro world of OMG someone on the internet is wrong scale.
I think a lot of people were complicit in the Vlad signing, but that ultimately it was about MacPhail and Angelos being creatures of the past – people who don’t understand that fans (and consumers in general) have become savvy enough that they are less impressed by brands and more focused on more absolute measures of satisfaction. In the end, there were a lot of fans who clamored for a Vlad signing because they thought he was what they wanted due to the brand, but in the end, even they were unimpressed because the brand failed to deliver their expectations. The truth is that even the 82-80 that Melewski is talking about today on twitter will fail to impress fans; we want the Orioles to contend, even if most of the fans of the team are ignorant as to how that would be possible and may want the team to make moves that fail or even hinder contention. Truly, no one gives a fuck about a forty degree day, and the mechanics of how it got to be forty degrees don’t matter very much.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I also think a big part of the Vlad signing
was that macphail REALLY wanted a right handed “power” hitter. He used to mention it a fair amount backt then and is a big reason why the team chased vmart and konerko, but showed little interest in Dunn.
Once we missed out on those guys, Vlad was sort of the only one left. I don’t think that signing had as much to do with appeasing the fans as people think.
There's a limited value to 82-80, I think.
Not enough that it would justify, I don’t know, a $100 million payroll just to hit 82-80, but I think there’s some value to fans in breaking that consecutive losing season streak, especially if it feels like the O’s reach that point by having some positive trajectory from the young players.
Looks like we are in agreement that signing Edwin Jackson would not be the best way to chase this small goal, though.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
I’m deeply suspicious that fans would react significantly to 82-80; they haven’t in Toronto, which is a very similar situation to Baltimore, IMO. The reasons baseball teams do or don’t do well financially are highly variable, I think – no amount of spending money on players would benefit the Rays in terms of fan interest as much as buying out the lease on the Trop or financing a highway extension would, just like nothing the A’s can do on or off the field can improve the demographics of the Bay area in a way that benefits the team. The mid-Atlantic area of the US is one which disproportionately rewards teams that are in contention for extended periods of time and harshly punishes teams that are irrelevant for extended periods – look at the examples of the Redskins, Ravens, Capitals, Flyers and Phillies compared to those of the Bullets/Wizards, Orioles and 76ers, and how the Redskins are becoming less relevant while the Capitals have become much more so. I think one season of 82-80 wouldn’t mean much, and that several consecutive seasons of it would mean more, particularly the more of the 82 that come early in the season. Positive trajectory from the young players works on serious individual fans like us. It doesn’t convince corporations that buying lots of season tickets to entertain clients or to reward high-performing employees is a good use of funds. In the mid-Atlantic, the latter is a lot more important than the former.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't want him for free.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 28, 2012 12:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not just no, but hell no.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I was talking about, previously.
According to a reporter in Detroit, Prince was asked about his relationship with his father more directly off-camera and again declined to talk about his dad.
He’s gonna get asked that a ton.
I bet he'll wish for a dollar for every time he gets that question.
Oh, wait…
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
So, I landed a ticket to the Shorebirds Hot Stove banquet with Roch and some other media types in attendance
Anything you guys and gals want asked?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Ask about how teams teach proper nutrition in the minors and what the Orioles do to acclimate foreign players to the system.
Is machado going to start at Delmarva?
by IggesRule13 on Jan 28, 2012 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Table mate is asking if D. Bunds
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 28, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Table mate is asking if D. Bundy will start here
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 28, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
seems to be popular consensus from w/o...
wonder what the ones in the know say!
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Comsensus is yes
Although Bowie’s manager thinks he’d look great at Bowie. Steve Melewski & Roch seem pretty sure he will start here.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 28, 2012 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow, a high school draftee going straight to AA.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Here = Delmarva
Remember where I’m at. :)
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Could work out for the O's
But I would feel cheap if our first playoff appearance was as one of the expanded slots.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 28, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
in 1996, in only the 2nd year of the wild card
the Orioles won it and only Jeffrey Maier and an idiot ump kept us from the World Series. And a couple more wins in the ALCS, but that’s lost to history.
I wouldn’t feel cheap at all. If they let everyone in and the O’s got hot and Andino’d the whole MLB, I wouldn’t feel bad about hoisting the trophy, either.
I maintain that the Orioles are owed every bad umpire call possible until such time as they win the WS.
To make up for the one that was stolen from them in 1996.
If it takes expanding playoff slots to make that happen, hey, that’ll do, too.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
This has gone from silly to probable collusion
by TheTrapezoidConspiracy on Jan 28, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions
yes
but there’s no way this is actually collusion. Though that’d be weird and hiliarious.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
In a world where Troy Patton actually gets innings in MLB, anything is possible.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
This just in
Ryan Minor is frickin’ HUGE. And I don’t mean fat.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 28, 2012 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
the door swings both ways...
kyle hudson signs minor league deal w/ texas.
koji, come home!
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
wow...
where is my mind?
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 28, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
swimming in the carribean
by mdterps0325 on Jan 28, 2012 11:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The following cryptic tweet has crossed the wire tonight
This is from the Cards beat writer for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (a former Sun guy, as well, if I remember right)
Joe Strauss @JoeStrauss
Cards fans may start paying attention to the Baltimore Orioles. #Developing
So far as I can tell, no one else who would know has written anything about it.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions
Who would we be dealing, Jones?
I also haven’t the foggiest about St Louis and their prospects/young talent, who would we want/need?
When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME
I've been looking since I posted this and there's absolutely no reliable person who is floating any names out there.
Just seems to be a springboard for various people to launch their rosterbatory trade scenarios.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
A few people on the Twitter are acting like Tony La Russa is taking some job with the Orioles
I mean, not people that matter.
There are plenty of those people on the twitter.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that is kosher, but I believe the figures on both sides are still locked in.
So the new team inherits the player’s contract situation, whatever that might be.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else feel like we may
be trading Guts to Cardinals and that’s why unfortunately the Edwin Jackson rumors have been heating up?
No
In the unlikely event that the random rumor about the O’s and Cards completing a deal comes to fruition, it’s much more likely that St. Louis dumps salary on the O’s in order to free space to sign Oswalt. The Cards have no use for Guts.
by TheTrapezoidConspiracy on Jan 28, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I believe that the Cardinals would go the cheaper route and trade for guts who would be a very good 4th or 5th man for them. I’m not buying into the Oswalt rumor to the Cardinals. They don’t have the Pujols contract on the books. I highly doubt the Cardinals are in need of a salary dump to afford Oswalt.
Not sure Guts is going to be cheaper than Oswalt.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 29, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
At this point
how much better is Oswalt over Guts ? Statistically last season Roy wasn’t that much better. Granted he was injured but he still played most of the season and Guts had to pitch in the AL East. Guts and Oswalt WAR wasn’t that big of a difference either. Also, if you use Bill James statistical prediction Roy and Guts stats will look fairly similar next season.
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