Monday Bird Droppings
by j.q. higgins on Jan 30, 2012 6:06 AM EST
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PrintYou might have taken the weekend off, but the rumor mill did not. In addition to percolating tales of Koji and Edwin Jackson, two new names entered the mix.
...and here at Camden Chat, we also had a deep discussion on the importance of and distinction between various types of dumplings. If that's not entertainment, people, I don't know what is.
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So if dumplings are essentially any piece of dough cooked in fat...
…wouldn’t that make a donut hole or carnival-style fried dough a dumpling?
Typically no eggs or yeast in dumplings.
by crawdaddy on Jan 30, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They aren't cooked in fat, the fat is worked into the dough
they’re typically cooked in in seasoned water, usually stock
At least we agree on that
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 30, 2012 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
O's news haiku
Koji rumors swirl
DD throws shit at the wall
Get well soon Brooksie
by nattybroh on Jan 30, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm down for haiku day.
Soul-crushing strikeouts
Mind numbing defense at third
Skills of Mark Reynolds
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.
Could be flat and slick
Could be round and dropped in soup
Elusive dumplings.
Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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One thousand comments
Guaranteed in our Droppings
When memes get involved
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Matusz and Tillman
Their prospect stauts now gone
Hope is in Norfolk
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Waiting for pitchers
Last year, this year, and next year
Maybe draft better
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
A blow to the head
Please dont make me cry BRob
Who will be 2B?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Bloop single to left
So begins Andino’s Curse
Sweet sweet Red Sox tears
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
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More Cash For Stacey
The More Camden Chat Argues
Who prefers Hot Blondes
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
IggesRule13
Banned for mentioning hot blondes
Swift CC justice
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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Where will Adam Go
The Orioles need pitching
Please exile Gregg
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Kevin Gregg complains
“You haven’t learned my style”
Blown saves are style?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
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The Batters Just Stare
They Don’t Even Have to Try
The Fans Mutiny
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
haikuuuu
Orioles Fandom
Insanity Embodied
Refrigerator
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Orioles chances.
Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck
No World Series here.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
Seven Syllables of Fuck: the Camden Chat Story.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
In this movie...
I’d like to be played by Ryan Gosling… but I fear I will be played by Michael Cera.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'll get Matthew Broderick, after he gains 50 lbs.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
...
So who is delusional here? If you compare yourself to Matthew Broderick, I can’t imagine you are as old as the people around here would have me think.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Here's the thing
He’s 6 years older than I am
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
haha
so the old thing is pretty out of proportion. ferris was only 25 yrs ago lol
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Its not an actual age thing
He just happens to live where its still the 1850s, so he just seems really old.
I've always pictured duck as being played by...
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I was going for someone younger because it's Hollywood.
However, if we’re opening the floor to actors of an appropriate age, is Thespis available?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Winner, winner, chicken dinner
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Oh, he can approach this level of badass-edness when his son acts up
Seen it happen.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
I watched Ides of March Saturday, it was okay.
Gosling has shown he is brilliant as long as he can speak in only one tone of voice. Any not feature any change in facial expression.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
just watched it last night
he was good. But most of his good-ness is not his acting, its just his ability to look like a badass. I was hoping that he would quit politics in the movie and move to LA to become a stuntman. Along the way he would find a magical scorpion jacket. What a movie that would be.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
That's a perfect description of me, though.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Make sure you audition for Drive II
although I’d hold out for The Notebook II.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
FTFY
SevenSyllablesSeconds of Fuck: theCamden ChatWieters Wieners Story.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
by Gamecock24 on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sheeeeeeeeeeit, what am I supposed to do with the extra 3 seconds?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's too late to 'pologize
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
man fuck you
Effin Timberlake is in my head now
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I must have watched like 7 or 8 eppys of the Wire yesterday. I liked how Bunk was dry heaving in a meeting after a drinking too much.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Just started it.
I saw season 1 a few years ago. I just started season 2 recently. I like S2 a lot better than S1 so far.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
S2 tends to get ranked lower than other seasons.
But I like it largely because I’m interested in labor issues.
McClellan
Sounds right up the Orioles’ alley, yet another number 5 pitcher. With all this competition, they are bound to be the best mediocre players the Orioles are willing to perhaps maybe pay for.
But you know, I suppose I shouldn’t be too hard on DD. At least not until they’ve lost a few real games. All he can do is work with what he has, someone is bound to step up from this motley crew of number 4 and 5 pitchers, right?
And good for Moldy, let’s hope he steps it up this year. Who knows, he could become the next Markakis.
I agree about not being too hard on Duquette.
I mean, what exactly should he have done differently so far this off-season regarding free agents? Committing half a billion dollars to sign CJ Wilson, Mark Buerhle, and Prince Fielder would have crippled the franchise and any one of those would have made no difference.
The future of the Orioles hinges on the ability to get three legitimate MLB starting pitchers from Britton, Matusz, Arrieta, and Tillman with Bundy I and Bundy II down the road for the fourth spot. Trying to fill more than two spots in the rotation with free agents is a recipe for disaster.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I'm cool with what he's doing, I just want to know what the end game is
We’ve got a 40 man roster full of meh. No one stands out, and a lot of players have MLB experience. So how do you make a 25 man roster out of all of this? I don’t know how everyone’s options are situated, but I get the feeling that it might get sticky when we have to start DFA’ing players we traded for or just signed.
Especially the pitching staff. How do you pick 11-12 of those names? What’s the point of sending someone like Dana Eveland Or Alfredo Simon to AAA?
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
depth.
people will get injured. especially pitchers. I don’t think anything dd has done will hurt, even if it doesn’t help all that much. I think chen and antonelli could be really helpful while the rest will be eh.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 9:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Spring Training should be interesting...
… but I’m guessing that Matusz, Tillman, and Arrieta start at Norfolk unless they really light it up in Spring Training. I’d suggest there’s even a chance that Britton starts there.
Rotation: Guthrie, Wada, Chen, Hunter, Simon
Pen: Gregg, Johnson, Berken, Bergesen, Eveland, Strop, and probably O’Day or Patton.
As the young guys prove they deserve a shot or not, we adjust and look for trade partners or designate for assignment Eveland, Gregg, Patton, etc.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Arrieta ain't starting at Norfolk BRAH!
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I could see the O's sending him to Norfolk...
… to see how his arm will hold up after his surgery. However, I’d be surprised if he weren’t brought back to Baltimore by the beginning of May.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's our #3 to start the season... possibly 4.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
How do the options work and all?
This is what I don’t really know enough about and it leads to my confusion. Do Arrieta and them lose an option if they start the season at AAA? If not, then I guess it’s best to start them there.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Arrieta started the home opener last year...
Theoretically making him the #4 last season I guess, and we know a lot more about him now than we did then.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure this is the case...
… he had roughly 17 lbs. of junk removed from his elbow. Logically, that should make him better. However, he may also have to rediscover correct mechanics if he was compensating for that last year with bad mechanics.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
The option is burned up if they get sent to AAA at any time, including to start the season.
The good news is you only use up one option per year even if they send you to AAA multiple times. Which I hope they don’t have to do with Arrieta.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
This.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
you may be right that it's what the Orioles do
but I don’t get it (with the exception of Matusz).
Suppose Tillman starts at Norfolk and throws five starts, goes 3-1 with a 2.95 ERA in 27 IP, striking out 24 and walking 7. That would “prove he deserves a shot,” right?
Well, that’s exactly what Tillman has already done at AAA from 2009-2010. We already know that these guys (Tillman, Arrieta, Britton) can pitch at the AAA level. Unless there’s a specific thing or set of skills the organization wants a pitcher to work on — say, throwing a slider for strikes, or regaining velocity, or what have you — I don’t see how telling Chris Tillman “here, go back to AAA and dominate them for a month and a half, and then we’ll jerk you back up here to Baltimore and let you pitch until you get shelled again, and then it’s off to the Virginia coast with you again….”
The Orioles need to figure out what, if anything, they have out of their quartet of MLB-ready pitching prospects. Sending them to the minors will not help that process.
(Tez, as I said in the title, I think you’re probably right that this is what the Orioles are planning, so I’m not trying to shoot the messenger. I just think it’s a terrible idea.)
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 30, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
What do we do with these guys if they prove they can't hack it at the ML level for a third straight year
Tillman is a perfect example. If he does well at AAA and sucks at MLB AGAIN this year, do we just release him or what?
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well, it's not just about the statistics they put up at AAA... it's how they do it.
Arrieta has to show that he can lower his walk rate. Even at AAA, Arrieta’s lowest walk rate was 3.2, which is still high. It’s great if he can put up a 2.90 ERA because AAA hitters can’t hit him. But, if his walk rate is still high (2011’s was 4.2 at AAA), he shouldn’t be brought up. I suspect that Arrieta also needs to prove that he can maintain velocity and break through 6 or 7 innings after his surgery.
Matusz has to prove that he can be in shape to pitch 7 innings regularly and that he can regain his velocity. He’s not going to live at 88. He needs to get up to 92 like he used to. He also needs to show that he can put his breaking ball and his changeup on the corner consistently and stop hanging shit.
Tillman’s lost some velocity, too. He needs to regain that. His curve has flattened out. When we first got him, I saw him throw a knee-buckling 12-6 curve that I thought would make him better than any of our young pitchers. He doesn’t have that consistently anymore. His AAA numbers last year were horrendous. He has to produce the stats, but he also has to demonstrate more consistent mechanics and results (location / velocity) with his pitches, regardless of the outcome of the pitch.
Britton’s in least need of starting at AAA. I think that his problems in 2011 were just from an increased workload and needing to learn the small adjustments at MLB. I just think the organization might start him at AAA to let him dominate a couple of starts and rebuild his confidence.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised that you think both Britton and Arrieta will start out in MLB.
I feel like at least one of those guys is going to be in the MLB rotation.
On the other hand, there is quite a roster logjam of pitchers, so maybe the people who still have options will have to chill in Norfolk by default. That would suck.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
that would be stupid
No point in playing a pitcher just because of options. The best pitchers should pitch, and Britton and Arrietta are two of the top 5 pitchers on this team. Arrieta showed he had improved before the injury, I’d like to think he improves again this year.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
are all the pitchers on major league deals?
where options apply? If so zI am beginning to rethink the idea that the moves weren’t harmful. Tommy Hunter, Greedo Simon, and Dana Eveland should probably just be in AAA waiting for injuries, or not on this team. I feel like if they get DFA’d no one is taking them anyway.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Options apply regardless once they're put on the major league roster
A major league deal just means they’re put on the 40 man from day 1, and you have to burn an option each year you want to send them back down (did i get this right?)
So the question becomes
Who is out of options?
If anyone we signed or traded for is out of options (looking at you, Dana Eveland and Tommy Hunter), then getting those guys was just dumb dumb dumb.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
There are so many permutations for this stuff. Like, I don’t believe Jason Berken was sent down at all to the minor leagues in 2010, so did he use up an option then? No idea.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
No. If he was in Baltimore all season he didn't use an option
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
how do any of these rules apply
We are just a minor league team anyway. I would argue with the commish that we are just moving people between quad A and AAA
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
but at the time, based on an assumption that matusz will continue to suck and arrieta may not be ready based on the injury, then hunter and eveland fill in those holes. I can’t call the eveland trade “dumb” based on the fact that two of your expected core SP’s are question marks going into 2012. It’s just at the time this is what was available. I doubt if wada/chen were already on the roster, eveland is an oriole. So if Eveland gets DFA’ed becuase Matusz is back to form and Arrieta doesn’t miss any time, then so be it.
Agreed.
Eveland was a relatively cheap backup plan and given the unknowns at the time of the trade, including our current young pitchers and our attempts to sign experienced Asian pitchers, I’m fine with that move.
What I’m curious to see is if Eveland can duplicate his small sample size success as a Dodger, including his 1.8 BB/9 or if he’ll revert to previous ineptitude.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
that would be nice
Buck is going to have to make some serious decisions here. Although I think we will find that they will be a lot easier come March for the better or worse.
you mean a manager might have to actually do something?
A bit of a change of pace from the the pointlessness of them on most teams
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
no i mean
only 5 turn out to be worth something and the question of whether or not to send someone to AAA based on options is not an issue.
I wasnt commenting at you
or challenging what you were saying or anything. Rather commenting that managers control like 10 runs all season
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I beg to differ...
I blame every run Gregg gave up after the All-Star Break on Buck, as Buck’s the one who kept running him out there.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
with the roster they have
but if buck leaves FL with Bergy as you #1 starter, then he’s controlling a lot more then 10 runs in the negative.
ok, maybe its more like +10 above replacement
where replacement is a commenter on Camden Chat
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
manager's fastballs are their most important skill
how did I forget?
Keith Law snark’d
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
There's also the infield glut.
On the 40-man right now:
Ryan Adams
Robert Andino
Matt Antonelli
Josh Bell
Wilson Betemit
Chris Davis
Ryan Flaherty
J.J. Hardy
Joe Mahoney
Mark Reynolds
Brian Roberts
If Reynolds is still the everyday 3B, then we’ve got Adams, Andino, Antonelli, and Flaherty all competing for 2B, essentially (and if he’s somehow healthy-ish, Roberts, too). I figured that the point of getting Antonelli and Flaherty was to move Reynolds to 1B or DH and get some better defense in the infield, but apparently not.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Short of a miracle happening...
Bell and Mahoney are at AAA along with two of the 2B options.
Andino, Hardy, Reynolds, Davis, and Betemit get the MLB spots. Antonelli probably gets the last IF spot (assuming a roster breakdown of 12 pitchers, 2 catchers, 6 IF, 5 OF).
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
though I’d imagine that we’d try Flaherty in that last IF spot first, so that we don’t lose him (as he was our Rule 5 guy). I just don’t get the point of having all these 2B/3B types if we’re going to treat them as AAAA players rather than actually try them out.
I also don’t get Buck’s supposed preference for having Andino as a utility guy rather than the everyday 2B, unless there are durability concerns. Andino put up 1.8 fWAR in 511 PAs last year, so he was basically a league-average player in the first season he got more than 215 PA, and it’s not impossible that he could still improve.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Andino best serves the O's as a super-utility.
Hardy is probably going to come in at about 125 – 130 games at SS. Andino is our only real backup SS option.
Our 3B defense is horrendous and we’ll need Andino to fill in there. My guess is that Andino plays 3B when Britton starts (theoretically Britton as a LHP will face more RHB and as a sinker pitcher, get more grounders to 3B).
That’s 60 games of Andino at positions other than 2B.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Right,
I’m not saying to play him at 2B or not at all; his positional flexibility is definitely an asset. Maybe I’ve just misread the stuff about him, but it’s sounded like they don’t want to play him every day.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
maybe they don't want to
but they know they will probably have to. Kinsler isn’t being an oriole any time soon
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get to 400 plate appearances and 140 games.
He may get some nights off, but even when he’s not filling in as a starter, I bet he gets brought in as a defensive replacement a lot more in 2012 than he was in 2011.
Andino may be average defensively, but that’s a lot better than any other 3B option we have.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree with this
The IF is easier to figure out. Pitching staff perplexes me.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
maybe I'm a homer
but antonelli I think could start 2b. it seems like the only reason he isn’t in the majors on some other team is that he has gotten all sorts of injured. High pedigree, good minor stats
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 10:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
We are the Orioles.
We will ruthlessly crush that pedigree out of him.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
gotta have some hope,man!
crushing dreams is the only thing angelos has!
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I waver back and forth
on the one hand, I recognize that there are a lot of different people and reasonings and opinions that go into the warehouse’s decision making, and it’s difficult to see where Duquette’s or any other staffers’ hands are untied from some vague directive from the top. On the other hand, jesus, the Orioles insane reluctance to ever, ever make a serious rebuild really wears at me. Do they really think they can finally win through the same old stupid in-between strategy they always use?
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I suppose another question might be
So long as they are making money, do they really care how the team performs? How much further could you weaken the Orioles brand than it already is?
But again, I suppose we should see what the product is first, before judging too harshly. Then again, history may not be on his side here, and again it seems like we’re hoping one of our young pitchers takes a step forward, the difference here is that if he doesn’t he has 9 other guys waiting to take his place. Maybe it’s trying to provide more motivation for them to step up, while taking the pressure off them if they don’t perform. I dunno.
Man...I'm really hoping you can actually fit a normal-sized passenger into the back of the new Dodge Dart.
That’s a hot-looking car…..with better features than any of its competitors.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
This chart shows the new Dart as comparable to a 2004 Neon.
http://www.dart-mouth.com/specifications-dart.html
The overall passenger volume is about the same as a Nissan Sentra. It looks like if you can handle a Toyota Corolla, you should be able to handle a Dart.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Can't imagine these are correct numbers.
More rear leg room than the Hyundai Sonata? It sure didn’t look as big as the Sonata on the turntable.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It's compared to the Hyundai Elantra, not the Sonata.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I know that.
It still doesn’t change the statement. According to that site, plus info from Hyundai, the rear leg room numbers are: 35.3 (Dart), 34.6 (Sonata), 33.1 (Elantra).
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ah... didn't realize you'd gone to another source of information, too.
I don’t know, it doesn’t look like there’s a huge back seat there. With the slope of the rear, that seat’s gotta be a little bit more forward than you’d think.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
My dad owns one.
I’m about 6 feet-ish and I’ve got no probably sitting comfortably in the back seat. If the Dart is bigger than that, it’d be awesome, but I just can’t imagine that since they’re calling it a compact sedan comparable to the Elantra, Civic, etc.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Although the numbers for the Chrysler 200 match the info on the Chrysler web site, so maybe it is right.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, but I did fit comfortably in the back seat.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Also loved the price.
For a car that size, they’ve priced the 200 rather nicely.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
yea, I was thinkning about getting the "S" trim model
But I don’t think I am ready to abandon getting a sports car yet.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
What other vehicles are you looking at?
I’ve got a considerable list right now….trying to start narrowing it down.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Mazda3 is my winner if I get a new car, but not as big as 200.
really trying to find a great deal on a used G8 GT.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Not the biggest fan of the 3.
Wayyyy overpriced for what you get, IMO.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
What is your top choice?
Here is the one I was looking at.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Eh...pretty normal.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, the SkyActiv engines
which you have to pay extra for. About a $3K option over base, which really erases any sort of savings at the pump. Still, that tech will trickle down eventually.
I'm aware
which is why I haven’t bought one. haha.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Some ppl favor driving experience over highest MPG
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
Miata is too far to the extreme. + it is a damn convertible and super tiny.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
We test drove a 3
Eventually passed on it for the Altima. We really weren’t all that impressed.
Same...I drove the 3 and was underwhelmed.
Although I felt the exact same way about the Altima. Sonata is under 20 in many cases and has more power than the more expensive Altima.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
We already had a Sonata
And I did give some thought into buying a second Sonata berfore deciding I wanted something different. I think we ended up paying about the same amount for both cars, but the Sonata does have some really nice pick up and go for what it is.
You didn't have one of the new Sonatas.
Hyundai is nowhere near the same company it used to be. About three years ago, I wouldn’t touch a Sonata with a ten foot pole. Now I firmly believe its one of the best cars on the market.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Did you drive it?
The Sonata regularly gets among the best reviews in its class.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I had been driving it to work everyday as my old car was dead.
I really enjoyed driving it, made getting on the highway pretty easy. My wife wanted me to get another one, but I thought that was silly. It’s got a great ride, gets good mpg, and I would recommend it to just about anyone. I just wanted something a bit different, and the Altima fits me pretty well.
Oh damn....you bought two cars back to back?
I can’t even afford one right now.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
what about used?
some pretty good deals out there.
Acura TLs regularly go for under $15K, Consumer Reports rates them as very reliable, etc. Something to think about.
Won't get a TL.
Love’em (they drive incredibly well), but the mileage sucks.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
probably true
but unless you’re really worried about your carbon footprint you still might come out ahead when compared to a new car priced at $20K.
That's part of it though.
If I can get a midsize sedan for around 20K, I’m going to take that over a used TL getting under 20 per gallon.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
What year M3 did u try?
the 2012 has the SkyActive gets 40 mpg.
The 2011 2.0 engine sucks.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Probably a 2010 or 2011
Not sure if the ’11 models were out yet.
Eh...the base model is underpowered and overpriced.
The SkyActiv engines are nice and all, but they’re pricey.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing tops my list.
I’ve got a long list of cars I’m looking at and have test-driven.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't I just say nothing tops my list?
I’ve driven a handful though. Sonata, Elantra, 200, Altima, Prius, 3, Optima, Cruze, Malibu, Focus, Fusion, Forrester, Legacy, Civic, etc.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, it wasn't a bad car.
Tiny though.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Don’t think its too overpriced, but it’s still a Ford and therefore, I question it’s quality.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the Mazda3 b/c
of the “fun to drive” aspect. I have always had V8 sports cars, gas was killer. Mazda3 won “fun to drive” in almost every review I saw. Plus it has bluetooth standard so that is good.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
The 3s were good up until a couple of years ago.
Then they unexplainably went to shit. People who have an older one swear by em, people who have a newer one swear at em.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
My mom has an 11 M3 and likes it
My bro has a 11 Mazdaspeed3 and that thing is a beast.
What issues are you talking about?
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
...I thought an M3 was BMW?
That’s what I think of when you say that. Sweet ass car
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
It is, they are
I just didn’t feel like typing out Mazda3
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Mazda isn't exactly known for its quality control.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I had a '92 Mazda Protege in college...
… I learned to drive a stick with that and it was a great little college car that just took a beatin’ like a pro.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I had a 626 at one point.
Not a bad vehicle. Better than the new ones, actually.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that in the mid-2000's, Ford started dicking around with Mazda more...
… and that caused a drop in quality.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably true.
Although I like what I’m hearing about the new Fords. I will definitely take a look at the new Fusion if it’s reasonably priced.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
For comparison...
It looks like the Dart’s 6" shorter than the Sonata… based on the pictures, it looks like that’s almost entirely in the trunk… or maybe a little in the hood. The Sonata’s only .2" wider.
Maybe they’re just trying to compare it to the compact sedan group to avoid having to compete against generally better quality in mid-size sedans.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think the problem MAY have been
that there was a Dodge Dart on the stage that was in danger of being CRUSHED by a DWARF!
by DaveAA on Jan 30, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a rec
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
What in the blue hell???
My 1st car was a ’72 Dodge Dart & you needed training from Rommel himself to drive the damn thing!
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
haha
Both of my parents owned Dodge Darts in the 70s. The new ones are sweet.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know from Spinal Tap
Just that there’s a bit of difference in size between the old Darts & the new.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
They'd face a LOT less competition in the mid-size category though.
That’s why the legroom numbers sorta surprised me. Then again, Honda says the Civic has 36.1 inches of rear leg room. That number thoroughly surprises me since A) that’s only an inch less of leg room than the Accord (which is bigger than any of these other vehicles) and B) I can’t fit comfortably in the back seat of the Civic even though its supposedly bigger.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Also....the trunk capacity on the dart is only 13.1 cubic feet which is much smaller than the Sonata.
They had the trunk open on the Dart that was sitting on the turntable and it was considerably smaller than some of the other comparable vehicles. I’m okay with that though.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
I’m 6’2" and have no trouble in a civic. The wife’s parents have one and there’s plenty of room in the back seat for me.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
My sister's got a new one and I wasn't exceptionally confortable.
Definitely smaller than the Sonata even though the number Honda lists is larger.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
"I hope you have a big trunk, 'cause I'm putting my bike in it."
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Just now you started to feel uncomfortable?
Have you read the Haiku thread?
What may or may not have occurred in the haiku thread has been blocked from my memory for all of time.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
that tends to happen
when you have a bike lodged in your posterior
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I like it.
Mainly just because it is something new/different. The tach looks too plain though compared to the screen in the middle.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
can't wait to be driving east at sunset
and having the glare of the setting sun completely obscure the LCD screen
I've got an LCD on the center console and have never run into any problems with that.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
please do not let me start about ryan clark
although that wast a dirty hit persay
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
i guess the Sarcasm font doesn't come through on the mobile app
my bad
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
yeah Im gonna email the IT guys at sb nation
sarcasm font should be standard
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Jim Caldwell to Ravens?
Anyone else see this article: http://baltimoresportsreport.com/jim-caldwell-plans-to-join-ravens-offensive-coaching-staff-24746.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jim-caldwell-plans-to-join-ravens-offensive-coaching-staff
Looks like he might be head to the Ravens as QB coach. Any thoughts? Any truth to it?
feel like it's true
Schefter is reporting it on ESPN. i think it’s a good hire, he spent 10 years working with Manning, so i’m sure he has a good idea of how to coach the QB position. my only thing is that i hope it doesn’t start up any sort of “Manning should come to the Ravens!” nonsense among the fans.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Too late.
I’ve already seen a couple of things with this rumor. But I can’t see Ozzie bringing him in, not when they still have faith in Flacco.
it don't matter
the ravens don’t have 28 million on the cap to bring him here. the chiefs are my bet if he leaves Indy
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Washington
Rumor has it, the owner of the Redskins has a particular interest in bringing in expensive veterans who are unlikely to perform at previous high levels.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And who would pay that kind of money
for a player coming off a major injury and sitting out all last year. Not when you have a good, young QB already who is likely to continue to improve and get better (especially with a good QB coach and Caldwell has a good record). There are plenty of other teams out there with a greater need for a QB than the Ravens, despite what the Haters might say.
I'd be less concerned about Peyton Manning sitting out a whole year than most other QBs.
He’s not exactly Tim Tebow when it comes to identifying defensive weaknesses and adjusting accordingly on the fly.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Random Thought
Do you think he’ll get more attention from the refs and get more roughing the passer calls than he would if he didn’t just sit out a year? Think they will protect him as much as Prince Tom?
he was already getting plenty of those calls before he got hurt
he’ll absolutely start getting even more of them. assuming he actually plays again and everything.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
He'll officially have no sacks in 2012...
… as every sack will be nullified by a penalty.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
He'd have to actually be touched first
If memory serves me, he hasn’t been touched by a defensive player since 2007. He just flops to the ground like a pussy when the pocket collapses.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well Manning doesn't get hit too often
1. He normally throws the ball quickly
2. He falls down if he knows the routes are covered and defenders are about to tackle him.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
We definitely need a somnolent QB coach.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
So this is kinda not cool, all Megaupload data, legal or not, could start being deleted as soon as Thursday
With the website being seized, users can’t access the data and the government is refusing to play any role after it completed the necessary search warrants.
Hey man! Facebook already had him sentenced to 50 years!
Nevermind that he hasn’t be extradited or had a trial yet.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I have an Altima, the wife is driving a Sonata
We also have an H3, which we’ve been trying to sell.
This.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
It' a small econbox. Same thing.
call it what you’d like. semantics.
As we first reported just a few days ago, the Aveo name is being phased out for Chevrolet’s next-generation small car, which we can confirm today will be called the Sonic.
what I really meant
(and sorry DaveAA) is that the Sonic is a competent, safe vehicle built entirely from the ground up, while the previous Aveos were/are deathtraps.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have a 2008 Civic loaded EX, wife has a 2008 Murano (which I hate and want to sell).
I only got the douchebag Civic cuz I drive a lot and it gets 40mpg.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
2010 Impreza.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
The new Elantra's are slick.
I’d love a turbo version of that car….although Hyundai hasn’t seemed to figure that out yet….the Sonata turbo hasn’t been getting the best of reviews.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Elantras look so nice, though. Every time I see one on the road, I’m really just awestruck by how attractive it is. I was looking to get one, but I’m cheap.
And safe
My idiot friend totaled not one but two Elantras and made it out without a scratch both times.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I lol'd
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Holy Crap!
My neighbor drives their kids around in one one those old Elantras. Bad parenting if you ask me.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
yeah... wish it got better mileage too.
we needed something bigger than my Fit, so had to trade off some gas mileage for that. On paper at least, it get’s better milage than it’s competitors like the Impreza or Mazda 3 — and is was much cheaper too. That 5 DR Accent looks pretty nice.
This
Mine’s a 2005 model year, got it used in ’06 and have already had to hit up the warranty for two major repairs. Still under 80k miles. Also, the paint is fading away on the hood, making the car look more like a 1985 model year than a 2005. I am not impressed.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
This is exactly the reason the new 200 is not yet on my potential buy list.
I want to hear good things from people who own them before I pop for a Chrysler. They’ve had some considerable quality issues in the past.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
My fam has always had Dodge/Chrysler cars but I don't think I am going to get one when this wears down.
Though, in this car’s case, it may be more of a cautionary tale in buying used cars than any indictment against Chrysler products. My dad’s convinced it was in an accident that wasn’t reported on the carfax we looked at. It had like 25k miles and was less than two years old when I bought it, but that was apparently enough.
The paint thing is actually the main reason he thinks it was in an accident. It’s only on the hood that the paint has that fading ancient car look, so my dad is convinced the front end got smashed and when they stuck on a new hood to clean it up they used cheap paint and left some functional, but damaged and closer to death parts in there.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Forester....nice!
Got a 99 Olds right now…..156K miles.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like it.
1) We’re a one-car family, so I wanted to make sure that I had something that would fit kids and all the crap that kids come with easily.
2) My wife is learning to drive and we have a mountain house, so I wanted something that could handle slick / snowy conditions.
3) It gets better MPH than a full-size SUV.
4) The moonroof is huuuuuge.
Foresters aren’t the sexiest cars in the world, but they are the most practical option for anyone that wants more space than a sedan.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
If it was less expensive, I'd buy one. It's on the list in any case.
7 different Subaru’s somewhere in the family. My sister just bought a new car after driving the heck out of a 95 Legacy sedan. Great vehicles.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Not the biggest fan of the Impreza.
Actually, not the biggest fan of their sedans. If I’m getting a Suburu, it’s going to be a Forrester or an Outback.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I love subaru's
drove a legacy shaggin’ wagon until I drowned it with around 120k miles on it and no my parents have an Outback that’s pretty great. Once my current car dies I’ll probably get an Outback.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'd love an Outback, but I don't have 30k to spend on it :-(
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m going to drive my Jetta until the wheels fall off and then hopefully the Outback will be palatable.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'd love for them to get a reasonably equipped Outback under 30K.
The problem with Suburu is that they’re made in limited quantities so there are almost no deals on it. You’re gonna pay pretty close to sticker price.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
although I generally feel like Subarus are worth it given the quality you’re getting.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
For sure.
I still can’t afford it though.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nah.
Pays more, but its a dead end for sure.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I like Outback
Especially those Bloomin’ Onions..
It's too bad
that they seem to have made the last few model years full-size SUVs.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Nah....that's a myth.
When you look at it/drive it, nowhere near a full-size SUV.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
they're way bigger than they used to be
Forester and Outback have both become much larger than previous generations.
Oh for sure.
Def not a full size SUV though.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Subaru's also indicated that they're about maxed on size, too.
For several years, the Outback and Forester just kept trading ground clearance advantage going up in increments of 0.2" for a decade. However, that’s stopped and their current ground clearance is their intended max.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
They’ve already got the Tribeca in the full-size SUV category.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
2012 Accent GS
Averaging 32mpg per tank, and my commute is 100% urban stop-and-go driving. I drive like an old lady, though.
in the real world I have an old jetta
but soon I’m going to be on the market. No idea what I’m going to be looking at.
I am in three quarters-jest saving up for a car I saw on Top Gear, the Skoda Yeti. Someday…
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
2000
its slowly dying. Next time it needs the shop it’s getting the crusher.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
What problems have you had?
I’ve had very few issues at all (knock on wood), but I really don’t drive a lot. It’s only got 87k miles on it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
the automatic transmission's been problematic
on and off for the past twenty months or so. It’s at the point where I drive it to work and back and that’s it. All of our trips, we take the gf’s Sentra, which is a lot better of a drive anyway. The Jetta’s just got no pickup anymore.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
my dad has a 97 Toyota truck
270K miles. Runs better than our mountaineer ran 80K miles in
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Jeez, does everyone here drive a hatchback?
This is mine. It’s ok, but I don’t love it the way I loved my old saab
Nah.
Don’t see the point of a hatchback unless you’re looking to haul stuff in it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've never had to haul anything that didn't fit in my car.
Only item that didn’t fit was my mattress+box spring, but that wouldn’t fit in your tinyass hatchback either.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
nah... my tinyass hatchback will easily hold a single mattress
and who doesn’t sleep on a single bed these days?
Prius
I do not, however, drink Michelob Ultras or have my own compost heap in my backyard.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I am thinking about getting a prius
how does it go in the snow?
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
In a word... terrible
It’s very light. Struggle to get traction in the snow, got stuck in the mud once when I had to park in a field at a concert. You gotta take the sharp turns on 83 really slow.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Good
now I know I will never buy one. haha.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you live?
I love the car, don’t have anything else bad to say about it. If you’re in Maryland I’d still highly recommend it
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
York, PA
this year would have been fine, for sure. My commute is only like 6 miles. No traffic. But I have read some stuff about Priuses in the winter (highly reduced MPG, stalling out) that made me stop looking for one.
Not that these things are absolutely true, but I didn’t really want to get one in the first place. I only started looking for one b/c I watched “inconvenient truth.”
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I understand
The stalling out thing is not an issue. The MPG is reduced in the winter, yes, but that’s the same for all cars. Gotta burn gas to make heat.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I would like a car where I can't take turns without slowing down significantly.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I test drove the Prius once.
Yikes. Don’t like that you can’t see the rode directly in front of you because of the odd slope. The split rear window is funky too.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The rear split is a major reason why I refused to consider the Prius.
Yes, my gas mileage would be much better, but damn… that car is just fucking miserable to drive.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
"Fucking miserable to drive" is a just bit of a stretch
I love that car. The rear window split took a minute to get used to but it’s fine.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, obviously I was speaking from my own perspective.
I was just extraordinarily uncomfortable in a Prius.
I also test-drove a Nissan Rogue and while it was a fairly sporty drive, there is so much slope from the roof to the front windshield, that I had to take off my baseball hat because it kept hitting that slope.
I found the Rav4, Santa Fe, and Forester to be fairly comparable drives.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I drove a ZipCar Prius once
It was okay. It literally took me fifteen minutes to figure out how to disengage the parking brake, though. I don’t remember how I figured out how to do it.
Why drive a prius?
Global warming is a hoax yo!!!
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
But what about those polar bears and shit?
They look so sad on those commercials.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
...and correct spelling
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
i like how it blocks people's headlights when they get up close.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
In live in CA so I came really close to getting a Prius.
But I hate the design of the car. It’s hard to see out of the back and it’s fucking ugly.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
2004 Neon SXT
118K miles and still doing really well.
(This one isn’t actually mine, but looks exactly like it.)
Neon!
I’ve got a 2002 Neon. 134K and still going strong….well if you don’t count the antifreeze leak and the transmission issue. =)
"I could no more abandon my Orioles than I could repudiate my family, or my native heath, or my own childhood—even though I know it is a devotion that can now bring only grief." - David Bentley Hart
by Gorilla Bird on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
2006 Chevy HHR
77,000 miles and still going strong.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
by Zeke McGeek on Jan 30, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have gotten these a few times via rental.
I hear the SS’s aren’t too bad.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Was in a rental one of those once.
I was picking my friend up and he didn’t know what car we were in so when I described it he said “Oh, the PT Cruiser looking car”
Nice insides though.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's a blatant rip-off of the PT Cruiser,
but I’m a GM man, so I had to wait for their version to come out.
Mine is black, just like the photo, so my co-workers started referring to me as “Herman”, as in “Munster”.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
How do you find the turning radius on that car?
Speaking of it being a rip-off of the PT Cruiser… I had to drive a PT Cruiser for two weeks as a loaner because my car’s engine cylinders were being replaced (seriously). I couldn’t pull off a U-turn to save my life in that PT Cruiser. Curious if a lookalike had the same flaw.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 30, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm finding 18'
Not sure how that stacks up to other cars, but I’ve never had an issue.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
The PT Cruiser is over 20'
Those are from edmunds
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
2005 Prius
love it.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
GTO pic is actually my car, Rav4 and Elantra are generic pics:
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Human dolphin...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/01/27/145986052/the-dolphinator
The YouTube included is funny.
I was taking my bedroom door off of the hinges Saturday
so that we could move a couch into the room, and when loosening the third pin with a hammer, it slipped off the edge of the pin head, flew up and hit me in the face. I now have a bruise on my chin.
I thought maybe some of you would enjoy that story.
Also, I enjoy haiku.
Removing a door
An inexpert hammering
Ow, my goddamn face
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Where else is her bf gonna sleep while he's househunting?!!??
#oldfashioned
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
All those 1500 comment open threads paying off
you can thank us later with some sort of lavish gift. I’m in need of a new Tag watch…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
"apricots"!
Geez, I thought we went over this.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a fanpost about the new CC code words?
I know it was mentioned, but is it just a “rules as we go along” type of thing?
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
No. Just a joke.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
So speaking of cars...
Remember that Ferris Bueller thing kba mentioned last week? The complete video can be seen here.
Matthew Broderick has no interest in ever playing Ferris again
but he has no problem pimping the character out for a car commercial
It would be much better if it had been an Emerald Nuts commercial like I joked
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
"Ferris Bueller's Crippling Middle Age Depression"
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think this theory will make me watch the movie.
never watched the entire thing.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have!
was the on metafilm? there is also the idea that fight club is the manifestion of Calvin’s (Calvin and Hobbes) undiagnosed psychosis combined with the would crushing weight of the world
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it doesn't update
but there is also one about dark Knight being a reinterpretation of the three versions of Judas. cool ass website
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Cracked just did a piece on this
6-insane-fan-theories-that-actually-make-great-movies-better
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting.
There’s an even better one about the matrix… but it’s more of a “should have been” than an interpretation… The idea is that it should have been revealed that all of the human characters were actually computer programs, and that the Matrix, and the world outside of it, were both part of a larger program designed by humans in order to teach the human characters (who are actually machines) to feel human emotions, thus eliminating the possibility that a doomsday scenario between humans and machines would ever play out.
I’m not sure I explained that clearly.
I understand
That would have been a pretty neat ending, but it would have needed more build up than what was presented in the Matrix to make it work.
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. It would have been a complete 180 degree mindfuck type thing
but with how terrible the sequels were (in so many freaking ways) I would have completely preferred it.
I'm so glad I only saw the first.
Also, never have, never will see the Star Wars prequels.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was a pretty uncontreversial post though.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's true.
I was going to launch into agreeing with it, then I realized how much better the world would have been if pandora hadn’t opened that box.
The Bond one is a must.
that is how I have always looked at it.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think that’s always been the sort of “wink-wink, nudge-nudge” interpretation the movies have always carried.
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Lazenby pretty much proved this one
In the first 5 minutes of the film when he fails to get the girl, I think right before the credit sequence he breaks the fourth wall and says, “This never happened to the other fella.”
Basically, yeah
a lot of the rumors had Ferris and Cam running some sort of business, possibly Ferris being a motivational speaker. Ferris would be his usual self, but being the only one who doesn’t realize that sort of shit doesn’t really work after high school while Cameron is the one really holding everything together. Where Ferris finally helped Cam loosen up in the first movie, Cam gets Ferris to stop fucking around so much and be a little more balanced. It can be called “Ferris Bueller Grows the Fuck Up”
shia labeouef
who is raised by Sloan. Ferris comes back into the picture when shia is a young adult and teaches him how to be a boss.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and I forgot
their has to be aliens in it. if it worked for Indiana Jones, why nit ferris. it will make boatloads, and be complete shit
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It sounds like you already wrote the script.
Did you?
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Beyond what i just wrote, no
I have almost no creative writing ability, and what i just wrote was largely playing off of rumors that were already floating around
/sigh
You know if they do it, they’re gonna make “Ferris Buellar’s Amish Adventure” where he learns respect for a more conservative community and he teaches the conservative community to open up and have fun.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
funny thread guys.
Also, WW, I got like 30 rcs yesterday over at Amazin’ Avenue, have you ever considered looking elsewhere for recs?
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Rec whoring over with MFY fans is nothing to be proud of.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Correct that, Met fans.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Mos def.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I knew I hitched my wagon to a horse with no legs.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But
have you been through the desert on a horse with no name?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Ew
America is just as bad as Neil Young. I want to smack someone in the face every time I hear that voice.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I love Neil Young.
CSNY sent me a boombox for my birthday once.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
He hates bruce springsteen too.
And yes, Neil Young is awesome. He’s probably in my top 10 list of favorite musicians.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I like Springsteen, too.
But I absolutely love Neil Young. Also definitely one of my favorite artists.
I saw him on the Broken Arrow or Sleep with Angels tour.
I remember seeing a lot of old white hippies and the lady next to me who was smoking pot and playing air guitar all night. Change Your Mind came up randomly on my iPod last night while I was walking to Target. The song is 15 minutes but it’s awesome. One of my sneaky fav Neil Young songs.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I remember seeing a commercial for a documentary about a CSNY tour a few years ago.
One woman said, “I was surprised it got political.” Really, you’re surprised CSNY played something political?
He probably hates Slayer, too.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Not a fan
though I’ll take them over Neil Young any day of any week. And Kerry King was kinda full of himself and bashed Muse when I worked with him, so that didn’t help their cause.
But I used to love Metallica, so there’s that!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Kerry King is ALWAYS full of himself
That’s part of his charm. :)
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Really? Amazing?
I know music is subjective, but how anyone can listen to him sing and think he’s “amazing” is so far beyond my realm of comprehension…
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd be mad at you but we still have the Giants.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
But that's the thing.
Music is subjective. How should I or why should I explain to you why I like Neil Young? That said, it’s a fact that Nickelback sucks.
by ahoque24 on Jan 30, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not a good singer
but neither was Bob Dylan.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Well sure
but I can stand Dylan’s voice, and I think he was a much better writer. Now of course certain people are going to like certain voices, but the whole “sounding like you’re crying and singing at the same time” thing always destroys any kind of tolerance I’ve tried to show for his music.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I don't particularly like either of them as singers
but I dig a lot of their music.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Neil Young does amazing stuff
Sure, a fair amount of his stuff is almost unlistenable, but there’s a lot of amazing stuff, too. “Ragged Glory” is my favorite, and probably won’t be a surprise to any Neil Young fans who know how much I like metal.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Well, if you write 8 million songs, some of them HAVE to be bearable, right?
(disclaimer: I don’t really find any of it bearable)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
A cowboy comes into town on Friday
Stays for 5 days. He thoroughly enjoys himself in the saloons and with the apricots. Then he leaves on Friday.
How did he do it?
Ms. Friday Birdman
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't get this and I don't want it.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
He tells an ass-old joke and someone knocks into next Friday?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What? Me?! Never!
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Why would anyone name their daughter "Town"?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If this were the line:
You’re somewhere over here.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fail.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit.
I’d been behaving myself pretty well for a couple of days.
Tez – “Inappropriate Free for 4 0 Days”
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
(Apparently the 'strike' option doesn't actually work.)
Tez – "Inappropriate Free for -4- 0 Days"
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
1) I highlighted the ‘4’.
2) I clicked the -S- button.
3) This generated the < strike > < /strike> (minus the spaces) code.
4) No dice.
5) However, if I used two dashes on either side of the ‘4’, then it worked.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
What browser are you in?
I’m in Firefox.
Firefox (used dashes)
Firefox (used < strike > code)
Go figure, now both are working.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think I see the problem
It’s not that the code doesn’t work. It’s that it’s nearly impossible to distinguish a 4 without a strike from one with it. Since, you know, a 4 already has a line there.
444444
You guys know how to post videos to FACEBOOK???
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions
So...
I have my new phone.
1) It won’t let me install Camden Chat’s app. Guess when I’m not at a computer, y’all will just have to live without me.
2) I have absolutely no reception in my current field room, so I still have to stream music on my computer in violation of company policy. Hopefully when I move into my office soon, I’ll have reception for Pandora.
It says I don't have a gmail account linked...
It’s probably something I could figure out, I just haven’t taken the time yet.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
I got NPR, Wikipedia, and Pandora on there.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
just bought a ticket for Opening Day and made an appointment to get my latest tattoo this Saturday
today has been pretty awesome for a Monday
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
i got mine through the BSSC (Baltimore Sport and Social Club)
they get an allotment of tickets each year and you can order through them. $40 for a ticket, a sandwich and a beer before the game. not a bad deal at all.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
nope
if you scroll down on this web page
http://www.baltssc.com/events.asp
you’ll find the event listed and can click through to order tickets. looks like there are still over 300 left
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
I hope so.
I really did want to go to OD this year. Totally dropped the ball on scheduling this trip.
No, I haven't
been to PR then to Bahama & Key West on a cruise. Jamaicans are really friendly I hear.
A lot of bars do awesome deals like that too
That’s why I didn’t try to get an OD ticket early. I’m gonna wait and see what the party bus situations will be. One of our neighborhood bars last year did $80 total for open bar and food buffet starting around noon at the bar, party bus w/beer on the bus to Camden Yards, and a bleacher ticket.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah usually i wait too
but a couple of my friends are already doing this so i figured i’d hop on too
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
True
It’s gonna be an awesome day. I’m so happy it’s on a Friday
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
a friend of mine sent me an invite to a Hooters related OD party
that includes the ticket. Not a bad deal but I already have my tickets so useless for me.
this next one will be my second
got the first one last year, started getting the itch to get another one
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
i'm going to get one of my college's logos done
here’s a link to what it looks like
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/South_carolina.gif
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Cool
I was hoping you wouldn’t get a big gamecock on your body.
They drop their suit against southern cal yet?
despite my best googling efforts
i can’t seem to find any update on what ended up happening with that
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Anyone know anything about demolition?
Think me and my brother can take down a 5′ × 8′ cinder block wall with just a sledgehammer and a case of Natty Boh’s?
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:23 PM EST reply actions
I don't know anything about demolition at all
So I’m going to insist that you attempt it.
by DaveAA on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Real men do it with their fists.
No sledgehammers allowed.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
When I was in High School...
My dad, who owned a construction business at the time, made me work over winter break for him once. He made me and my brother tear down a cinderblock wall. I had a claw hammer.
It sucked.
Nah not load bearing.
Completely on my property. Just trying to make a parking pad.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Should've said...
It’s just in between the alley and my backyard at the edge of my property. Separate from the house.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh absolutely - have at it.
I’d try something more interesting than a sledge hammer though – tie a chain around it and rip it down with a car.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Only after consuming said case of Natty Boh.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
just drink the case of natty boh and try to knock it over with your shoulder.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
As we all know, human strength increases tenfold under the influence of alcohol
That’s just science.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
with his itty bitty Prius?
i think the wall would win that battle
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
by Gamecock24 on Jan 30, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha I didn't make that connection
yeah borrow somebody’s normal car.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yeah, everyone calls me a redneck
Until they need to borrow a truck.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
You mean they stop calling you a redneck when they need to borrow the truck?
Come on people! Consistency!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
by O'sFan21 on Jan 30, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh...good point.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
And we have our random Mitch Hedberg for the day
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Speaking of more interesting...
… do you have access to any type of explosive device?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Is this part of a house?
I’d want to make sure it’s not load bearing, but if it’s not load bearing absolutely – have fun.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Pretty decent WWF tag team in the 80's
More Roadwarriors rip off than anything… haha
When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME
juan Castillo back
hahahahah
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST via Android app reply actions
don't shoot the messenger
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think they will do better next season with a full offseason of practice.
Offense will be a lot more in sync next year too. hopefully not lead the league in TOs
They did improve toward the end of the year
And with Spags off the table, trying to salvage Castillo is probably the best option
April 1st!
Though I’m somewhat nervous they’ll pull a South Park-esque troll on us and show an hour long episode of Renly and Loras’s chest shaving extravaganza or something.
Anyone wanna throw down for a boob pool?
Closest one to the amount of pairs of brestises In Season 2 wins the money.
people are trying to cut down on the number of boobies comments.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Yeah
When the ESPN writer up there actually responded, I almost said “Welcome to Camden Chat. So, care to tell us if you think Megan Fox is hot or not?” but I restrained myself.
The answer is yes.
#Cannotpoliceself
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, we are the same level mod.
You can’t ban me. You can only hide me and frontpage me.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Don't tell what I can't do.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
by birdman on Jan 30, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if the comment was inappro, my bad
I didnt put the gratitous amount of bazongas on the show. I just wanted to bet on it.
Yeah, clean it up brah...
Put me down for $50 on 7 sets though.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 30, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
haha no way. way more
The main reason I made the comment is cause it is absurd the amount of female nudity on a show that is essentially LOTR.
Game of Thrones has very little in common with Lord of the Rings
Both narratively and in character development.
Also, you have to define what counts. If you see one actress topless in 3 different scenes in one episode, does that count 3 different times or just once?
ok, i just meant it is fantasy. Boobs are not needed.
I know too well the nerdy reasons why they are different. Different scenes count as different boobs. But a different view or a cutback to same scene does not count.
there actually weren't all that many boobs in it, i thought
Game of Thrones seems to go out of its way
April 1st has to be the most damned annoying day in the year.
I despise a lot of things, but dicking around with people under false pretenses is pretty annoying, in my opinion.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why? Unless you forget what day it is, just think to yourself "EVERYONE IS GOING TO LIE TO ME TODAY"
and you wont look like a … well a fool.
Yeah, but sometimes you just need to get shit done...
… and people who think they’re being cute fucking with you can get in the way of that. It’s especially obnoxious now that companies are getting in on it, too.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
That part is annoying...
Did you see what google did a few years back? I’m surprised they didn’t get sued.
Bravo, sir.
I don’t get fooled by fake articles, but I constantly fall for rick rolls. This was no exception.
As soon as I saw the tinyurl link, I knew you were up to no good.
Pay no attention to the armed men now approaching your current location.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
We all know you thought Showalter was supsended last year.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
well today was my 1st experience with an unexpectedly low iPhone battery
not sure what i left running to drain it so fast
Battery drain is usually a streaming app, your wifi being on when there is no wifi it connects to, or bluetooth.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
What's the
proper protocol when somebody holds a door open for you? Is a thank you required or is a simple head shake or smile showing gratitude sufficient?
Say thanks?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Dinner...
… drinks…
… maybe a night cap.
You should also typically keep updated notes regarding what type of dowry you have / will accept once you walk through the door and the marriage is official.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting Question - "How's Timmy doin?"
Apparently, during his vacation in Vegas he stayed at Hard Rock Hotel which just happened to also be hosting the Adult Entertainment Expo and the Adult Video New Awards. Most of the top porn stars were in town for the big event. Do ya think this picture was shot right after the assistant coach to his right informed him of his lucky choice of places to stay?
I saw the headline for an article about that on cbssports.com.
Seriously? That has to be the single most asinine thing I have ever seen “reported” on a sports website.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck the NFL in their effing ears
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously... that is some Orwellian authoritarian shit.
I hope that court case destroys the fuck out of “clean zones”.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
you keep saying "clean zones"
and all i keep thinking of is Hamsterdam
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
This amazed me
In 2006, Detroit adopted a 300-mile clean zone for Super Bowl XL
300 miles! I hope that’s a typo for 3 or 30 but DAMN!
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Extremely.
Less Alex Morgan.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
The guy who bought the Washington team is an asshole
As if the league didn’t have enough problems, they didn’t need him dragging them down further. Who names a professional sports team after an infomercial product?
isn't there another team named after Chivas whiskey?
I dunno, the magicJack guy still sounds like a dickhead, though.
No, thats just a coincidence
Chivas is spanish for goats, and has been the nickname of the mexican league team in Guadalajara for a long time. Chivas USA is a sister club
ah, gotcha
I don’t really have a problem with naming a team after a company or product, though. That’s how it works in Nippon Professional Baseball, right? Korea, too.
That feels a little different to me though
since thats been the established naming convention since the league existed. To buy an existing team in a league where that tradition doesn’t exist and name it after your own trashy product feels like an entirely different thing
Though at least Red Bull is a well-known, global brand
MagicJack is on par with Snuggies and Ronco Rotisseries
Still really stupid, though...
All the NPB teams are “Owners + Nickname” as opposed to “City + Nickname”. Hence the Nippon Ham Fighters.
It's just a matter of time.
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
by DaveAA on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Anyone watch Phil Davis vs Rashard Evans?
I watched hoping Phil would pull the upset. He got dismantled. I don’t know anything about boxing/wrestling/MMA but it didn’t look like a fair fight.
For a guy who obviously works out a lot he looked tired pretty early in the fight. Anyone have any actual technical insight?
Rashad was better at everything Phil is good at
I honestly thought Davis would be able to take Rashad down, and even the few times he did, he could do nothing to Rashad while in guard. It took Rashad about 2 minutes to figure out Phil’s timing on his kicks, and once that advantage was negated, Davis had nowhere else to go.
Simply put, Rashad’s better than Davis at just about every aspect of MMA, and it showed Saturday night.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
What's everybody listening to?
I’m finally checking out The Roots Undun and loving it so far.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Pandora's classic rock station...
If it was recorded before I was born, it’s not real music.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
The podcasts are ok
My favorite podcast out there is radiolab, once you get past the choppy presentation style
Have you read "Predictably Irrational"?
I loved it and I heard Freakonomics is similar, in a way.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Right this instant?
“Survive” by Lacuna Coil. Though it’s just part of my Pandora station mix. Though I should be listening to more Lacuna Coil, since I’m seeing them at Ram’s Head tomorrow night.
If it wasn't a school night, I'd have taken my kid to that show
She loves Lacuna Coil
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
She sounds like she must be pretty awesome, then
I am sure it’ll be a hella good show. But yeah, doors don’t open until 8. Figure you won’t get out of there until 10 at the earliest, and with your drive, you won’t get home until at least midnight.
It would be closer to 1
and I have to be at my door ready to teach at 7:35. Yeah, that’s not happening.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Avicii and B.o.B.
And “Top Down” by Swizz Beatz
not that any knows what any of that meant.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I know B.o.B
Do I win a prize?
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 30, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
"It's a Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock And Roll)" by Dropkick Murphys
Hey, they kept the bagpipes solo!
And I love their version of Fortunate Son.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Prince and Mike Ilitch
I’ve been following up on the Prince news since his big payday. It appears that Mike Ilitch made a whimsical move by signing Fielder after V-Mart went down. At first, I thought this scenario wasn’t likely because it seems ridiculous that an owner spend over $200M on the spur of the moment. But Mike Ilitch is 83 years and wants a championship before he passes. But in looking at the projections posted by fangraphs and now Dan Szymborski at ESPN (insider only), nobody believes that this contract will be productive at the back end (not surprisingly). Szym projects Fielder to produce $153M of value (27.9 WAR) with 75% of the value coming in the first five years. Essentially, the Tigers are overpaying by $60M with the last 3 or so years of the contract being an albatross. But the Tigers aren’t paying WAR production as Sym and many others have noted. They’re paying for short term value in a form of World Series title. And if the Tigers win a World Series, the albatross at the back end is “worth” it. Mike Ilitch should feel free to spend his money however, but his behavior does raise a couple of interesting questions.
First, if the Tigers win a World Series the next five years, does that justify crippling franchise effects of Prince’s contract the last 3 years? I lean toward yes. I think I would trade a World Series title for 3-4 payroll handicapped years. Of course, there’s the side question of whether adding Prince adds enough security toward earning a WS title that it justifies the financial dead weight later, but I digress. Or would you rather have a franchise that can compete year in and year out without suffering downturns even if the franchise is a little conservative in getting the team over the WS hump? Maybe that watching a competitive teams yearly has greater value to people. And do you find what Mike Ilitch did morally responsible for the franchise? Does the attitude, “I will no longer be on planet earth for the back end so who cares,” the right one for the franchise?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I'd rather be the Marlins than the Orioles
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I cant find the article...
but I read something awhile ago that said the Marlins are at the top of the ranks for successful pro teams because they have 2 WSs since they were created. It was an interesting read.
Its an interesting debate about whats more appealing for a fan
would you rather have achieve the ultimate measure of success more frequently and be terrible in all the years that you don’t, or is it preferable to have fewer titles but a more enjoyable team in the interim?
Yea. I love that the Eagles are favorite every year.
Especially watching the current dark ages of the Cowboys. But the Giants are nowhere as close as good as the Eagles over the last 10 years and they could have 2 SBs.
ftfy
they could will have 2 SBs.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Either way I have hatred
but my good friend is a Gmen fan. I will never hear the end of it.
Even though the Eagles have DOMINATED the Giants the last 5 years.
Yeah, exactly. I’d rather have the Giants track record over the last 13 years. When they’re bad they’ve been really bad, but they’ve got at least one ring to show for it.
Still, even throwing out their championship year though they’re generally mediocre.
I’m trying to think of an NFL team that equals the Marlins but there’s just not a good analogy.
But they haven't been that bad in the down years
Since 2000 they’ve had 3 losing seasons, 1 of which was terrible. They’ve now been to as many Super Bowls as they’ve had losing seasons in that stretch. They’ve had 7 winning seasons, 2 8-8s, and the previously mentioned 3 losing seasons.
If anything I’d say it isn’t that the Giants are really bad when they’re bad, it’s that they aren’t insanely good when they’re good. The Eagles went on that 5 year run where they had 11+ wins every year while the Giants typical winning season is more along the 10-6 lines. It isn’t like we are suffering as a fan base every year they don’t get to the SB.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
God I hate the Gmen
basically because of Brandon Jacobs. That guy is a great model for whats wrong with professional sports.
But yea. Head to head, Eagles get the nod. Plus they have the most exciting team to watch in football.
Yea, Brandon Jacobs, man...
wish he could be more like DJAX and Mike Vick
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Jan 30, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A whole, whole lot
start with this though
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/07/desean-jackson-tells-radio-caller-hes-a-gay-ass-faot.html
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Throws punches on the field,. helmet into the stands
acts like a badass even though he is extremely average.
He can be a dick
the whole “tossing the helmet into the stands” thing was stupid as hell. But compared to a homophobe and a animal killer he’s a saint.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
If you're going to make a case that Jacobs throwing a helmet is worse than brutalizing animals for fun and profit
then yes, that would be a waste of typing
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Well, the proper one would be...
No, I find brutalizing and murdering dogs to be horrifying and inhuman, and I would never compare it to throwing a helmet into the stands.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
The part where you said you hate the Giants because of his behavior
It implies that if his behavior would induce your hatred, similar or worse behavior would induce similar hatred. As this is not the case with the Eagles, people are calling you on it.
Sure, if you want to view it with no objectivity whatsoever
but don’t expect people to not call you on it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm calling you in your hate of BJ as compared to your support of DJax and Vick
It’d be like trashing someone for smoking pot but supporting the local drug dealer.
But yea, we’re fans, so support whoever you want.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Well, you support Mike Vick while calling Jacobs a model of all that is wrong with athletes
that seems to me like you are viewing Jacobs’ behavior as worse
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
A realization that the real reason you hate him is because he plays for a division rival
Not that his behavior is excessively abhorrent.
by Holymittens on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was aiming it at some cats.
Don’t let him off the hook just because he missed.
by BrianS on Jan 30, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I found this funny as hell by the way
so rec for you
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Wait...
I had a trigonometry problem like this once…
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
You're the one that said Jacobs was a model for all that's wrong with athletes
there are 2 shining examples on the team you root for.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
“On July 28, 2011 Jackson failed to report to Eagles’ training camp at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania as required in his contract”
“On November 13, in a game against the Arizona Cardinals, Jackson was deactivated for missing a special teams meeting.”
Basically he is a pompous money grabbing asshole who put himself before the team.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
You asked what was wrong with DJax
I never said anything about the team.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Eagles have completely botched his contract situation, too.
I don’t blame him for holding out at camp. Missing the meeting, yes.
I think he’s worth re-signing. Not at Larry Fitzgerald money, and unfortunately that’s what he thinks he’s worth (and his agent is Drew Rosendouche)
Not with the WRs behind him, and when the team has such other big needs
Maclin, Avant, and Celek, with Riley Cooper developing as your #3 WR, is plenty good enough of a receiving corps. You get a better return on DJax money bolstering the defense.
He's a huge douche
but not in Michael Vick territory. Probably bigger than Jacobs though.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Take it back!
We aren’t NEARLY as promising, but the only way to go is up. I think Marlins fans (both of them) are in for a sad and disappointing future.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
The Marlins have won two World Series since the last time the Orioles have won one
And I’m too young to remember the Orioles win (which is sad, considering I’m 30).
And true, but did anyone if Florida care?
They ripped apart the franchise TWICE when they won and YES it would have been nice to win ANYTHING since 83, but I’m a big fan of the fact that at least we can’t get much worse.
Red Sox fans don’t understand me either.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
That's because it's Florida
Florida is a terrible place for sports.
If the same thing had happened in Baltimore, people would have been ecstatic.
True.
I’m rooting for global warming because 75% of Florida will be under water by 2100.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
HA Agreed!
Both of you. And yes, Baltimore would have appreciated it. I guess I was just trying to point out that the Marlins are a sad team, and despite their success, their fans are the worst. Here we are, liking the worst team ever and I’m trying to put some bounce in are step by pointing out that at least we have soul…. wait a minute, can we sell one of these? I’ve heard that selling your soul can get you ANYTHING. Like a pitcher!
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
OUR step.
My English teacher father would be ashamed.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Saying "the only way to go is up" isn't good - or encouraging.
It means that you are so bad that even if you do everything wrong you’ll get better because there is no lower than you.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. That's exactly my point.
I’m perfectly aware that we are the worst AL team (COME ON ASTROS!) and I’m obviously trying to look on the bright side here. But thank you for explaining the basis of my joke.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
actually comparison is
would you rather be the Marlins or the Twins (pre-Bill Smith).
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I think if you're legitimately one player away from a potential World Series winner, then you do it.
Even if you’re not 83. You can specualte that the back end of the deal will be “crippling”, but you don’t really know that to be the case. Or that Prince will be completely unproductive by then. Live for today.
Of course, the base assumption is that Prince is the last piece of the puzzle, and I’m not necessarily convinced of that.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
You can specualte that the back end of the deal will be "crippling", but you don’t really know that to be the case.
True, but I suspect that even Dave Dombrowski sees the last 2-3 years as dead weight. At best, I suspect DD is hoping Prince can be a usable DH.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Chances are that you're right, and the last couple years are a waste.
But, you know that going in. Essentially you’re saying “we’ll pay you $214M for 7 years, but we’ll stretch it over 9”.
As far as the morality, I think trying to win a championship as soon and as often as you can is the right thing to do.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
I think talking about "morals" in terms of signing players to contracts is a ridiculous thing
As long as you’re not breaking rules or one side isn’t being cheated, morals don’t apply.
Yeah, that's the wrong word.
But what I got out of birdman’s question was whether or not taking the fiscal risk to win now, possibly at the cost of being financially unable to field a winning team later, violated the unwritten contract between owner and fans to try to put a good product on the field.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
Ok then
And of course not. Fans want you to win championships. If you’re just good enough to get knocked out of the second round of the playoffs, you’re not making fans much happier than a team that never makes the playoffs.
I disagree.
If the orioles made the playoffs every year, for, say, the past 5 years, and got eliminated every single time, I would be MUCH happier as a fan than I am.
This Ravens fan agrees
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is wrong too.
The ravens came extremely close to going to the super bowl. It could have easily gone their way. I’m happy with that chance.
You think my opinion is wrong huh?
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm shocked to see that you have a strong opinion on this matter
Just shocked I tells ya
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't agree.
If you’re just good enough to get knocked out of the second round of the playoffs, you’re not making fans much happier than a team that never makes the playoffs.
Do you think that Angels fans are not happier than Orioles fans?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but since then they've been consistently good, but not good enough to win it all.
I think a decade is reasonable for assessing the feelings of a fan base.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but...
That’s what I’m saying. Say the Angels never won that World Series. They were only just good enough to make it to the playoffs nearly every year, but kept getting bounced. You think they’d be jumping for joy at making the playoffs? No, they’d be complaining about being unable to get over the hump and win the championship.
See also: Washington Capitals, early 2000s Philadelphia Eagles, early 90s Buffalo Bills, etc.
I think there's a different level of unhappiness...
… when you’re talking about consistently losing in the playoffs and being the Baltimore Orioles.
Look at the Broncos this year. We hadn’t been to the playoffs in five years and the fan base was just thrilled to even get there, much less win a game. It was like playing on house money. I’ll take that over not going to the playoffs in a decade.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty much the exact opposite of what he's talking about
I knew you were gonna bring the Broncos up eventually
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens Ravens Ravens Ravens Ravens
No one was jumping for joy that we made the playoffs this year. It was “God I hope we don’t fuck this up and get a wild card spot”
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
But week in week out, Its more enjoyable to win most of your regular season games
As much as I understand that building for .500 is bad idea, i don’t hate the idea of sitting down on a random July night and feeling like the orioles are more likely to win than lose, even slightly.
Yeah, this.
On a completely level playing field, though, is it fair to expect your team to win the championship more often than once every 30 years?
So the Orioles, by that standard, haven’t underperformed. It’s just it is probably also fair to expect them to not completely suck for 14 straight seasons.
Don't you think it is hilarious that the Giants waited till after Barry Bonds to win the WS
I mean the guy just dominated that Series and they still lost.
By hilarious...
… I assume you mean completely awesome that the big-headed douchebag never got a ring.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that AND
Ilitch’s “Prince’s contract will be somebody’s else problem because I might be dead so who cares,” attitude. Kind of selfish but I guess that selfish attitude can be justified by a ring.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Yeah! He'll be DEAD
Haha, selfish bastard! Wanting to bring himself some joy before turning into a rotting pile of meat.
Not sure if you're being snarky.
Hey, that’s the definition of selfish! But I’m not trying to put too much crap on him. You, me, and everyone engage in those type of self acts on a regular basis. But we’re not running a ML franchise either.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I'm fine with that.
I don’t plan on leaving much for my heirs either.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
I'm saying it may be "selfish" but it's not one that needs justification
The goal of a sports owner is to win championships. Most teams have very limited windows to accomplish that feat in. Maximizing your chances inside that window is pretty much the right strategy.
Because his life window is also getting smaller, he has to take advantage of the overlap when he’s got the opportunity if he wants to actually do his general duty as an owner.
Plus, as mentioned below, he’s worth a ton more than the contract he gave Fielder. The loss won’t cripple his heirs or anything like that.
The goal of a sports owner is to win championships. Most teams have very limited windows to accomplish that feat in. Maximizing your chances inside that window is pretty much the right strategy.
Sure, I’m just saying do you want to sacrifice long term sustainability for short term gains? And when you make the calculation based on fact that you might not be around for the long term consequences, isn’t there a selfish element to it (I’m not judging!)?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Considering your main goal is to achieve those short term gains (ie. winning a World Series), yes.
Long term sustainability might keep you in the playoffs, but if you never win the World Series, it doesn’t amount to much. If you normally have a 10% chance to win the World Series, and you can bump those odds to say 20% for three seasons at the cost of them being 5% for the six seasons afterward, I think you have to do it.
Plus, as mentioned below, he’s worth a ton more than the contract he gave Fielder. The loss won’t cripple his heirs or anything like that.
But will cripple the franchise? If he dies, then will his net worth transfer over to Tigers to cover the cost of his contract? If so, that changes my opinion.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
It depends on if his heirs sell the team or keep it
If they keep it, yeah, they obviously get to keep his money to pay if off.
If they sell it, the new owner is purchasing the team with the knowledge that Fielder’s contract is on the books, so they can’t complain.
that's what i thought.
thanks HM for a friendly response.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
sorry if I came off snaky
and assholish. didn’t mean to be. just don’t think fat cats like donating money to their companies
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
..... do you know what net worth means?
he can’t liquidate the team to pay for the team.. doesn’t make sense.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
well, I just meant if he could for the contract out of pocket.
i don’t know much of how Illitch has set up his fiances with the team. but you seem to know more, so I’m happy to hear your opinion.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
business wise that would be awful
spending large chunks of your fortune for a couple years of making the team better without any return on investment would be silly. it goes against what probably made him the fortune in the first place
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
spending large chunks of your fortune for a couple years of making the team better without any return on investment would be silly.
Well, as said below, those large chunks of money just doesn’t have a lot of personal utility to him since he might not be around much longer.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
he has kids No?
rich people usually want to build a money empire. unless he truly loves the tigers enough to donate 200 million. which would be awful. that could go to poor people or sick people.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
but it's a business
an donation to prince, which is what we are essentially talking about, is not the same thing as an investment. if people are just giving away money, it should be for people who need it to survive
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's not a donation
It’s a salary to play a game. The same as any other athlete draws a salary to play a game. The same way A-Rod is being paid $30 million a year or whatever. There’s no “donating” involved.
maybe I misinterpreted
but I thought the argument was that illich should just give the salary to Prince, out of pocket, without him or his family reaping additional profit from said investment. which would be donating.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That's silly
He owns the team. If Prince generates additional revenue, it either gets reinvested into the team or the owner pockets it. It doesn’t vanish, so it’s impossible that he or his family would not reap additional profit from it.
if he sold the team
without getting back the money that he put in, it would vanish from him. If we are argueing if the money for his check should be from Illich or the tiger’s FO then its splitting hairs. I think the investment was a poor one but who knows.
Well...
If Prince’s presence on the team leads to more winning and increases the value of the franchise, then it’ll sell for more if it is sold by his heirs.
well, i think what was said below is that his fortune is large enough that it wouldn’t affect his kids or heirs.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
200 million
would affect most people not named bill gates. and would go against what got him where he is.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
well, i think what the idea that Illitch is not covering the entire contract, just a portion.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
sure
and at least for this year only, I’m guessing an insurance company is picking up a part of V-Mart contract.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Maybe
From what I understand, it’s harder to get insurance on athlete contracts these days because of the Albert Belle debacle.
sooo
Angelos sorta helped us long term by fucking us hard with Belle? Unless we fuck up with a contract again
I’m not sure if he helped us long term. It’s harder to get insurance now because of Belle, but insurance on player contracts still exist. The way that they manage risk is different now.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I say that if a spending binge was enough to reach the playoffs with a good chance of advancing
to the WS it’d be worth it even at the cost of crippling the team finances for a few years. But I don’t think that the Prince signing is enough to push them into being WS or even ALCS favorites.
Wether it is morally responsible? I think that it is a legitimate organizational strategy.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think a factor thats often overlooked is improved revenue
Detroit last year was only 10th in attendance and sold only 80% of their tickets. Assuming a $20/ticket price, increasing to 100% attendance would bring in an extra $13M a year. Now a 100% attendance is likely a stretch, but you have to think a World Series win would result in a non-negligible attendance increase for some time after. If you overpay Prince by $60M, but he produces results that lead to your team earning an extra $20M, then the back end of that contract is somewhat easier to deal with.
Research has been done on this and has proven that big free agent signings do not
improve attendence past the first year.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's saying if Prince wins them a WS
So the year after they win a WS they’d see an attendance bump as well.
In general, I'd say no they don't
but I’d suspect there would be more positive results if you look at free agent signings that result in improved playoff success
Probably yes.
But I don’t think that Fielder makes the Tigers a WS or ALCS favorite.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Neither do I
but Detroit probably does, and you have to factor that into their decision making. If they’re right about how much better they get with Fielder, then they aren’t overpaying him by as much as it appears.
It makes them a runaway favorite in their division
I give them a 90% chance of winning that division now. You just gotta get to the playoffs and then anything can happen. Especially in baseball where only a very small amount of teams make the playoffs, and then all you have to do is win 3 more games than you love in a month to win the WS.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
They were the favorites before signing him too.
The only team I see challenging them is the Indians if everything, and I mean EVERYTHING goes their way.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Royals will finish better than the Indians this year.
1) Detroit
2) Kansas City
3) Cleveland
4) Minnesota
5) Chicago
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
That is possible but if that happens I think the gap between Detroit and KC
will be significant.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Write it down:
Kansas City finishes within 8 games of Detroit in 2012.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
OK...... got it.
Would you like fries with that?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I think 8 GB is significant.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'll wager some fries that it's 5 games or less, then.
Detroit wins 93. Kansas City wins 88.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Garbonzo
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think perishables would last well across the Atlantic.
But I’d take that bet.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
88?
you cray. they might come in second in that division, but they still have to play the other two divisions in baseball, which have all five of the best al teams.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
signatured.
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
Write it down: Kansas City finishes within 8 games of Detroit in 2012. - Tezcatlipoca, 1/30/2012
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
1) Detroit
2) Irrelevant
3) Whatever
4) Meh
5) Least average
Detroit is gonna smoke that division and there’s no way to tell which rebuilding team will do what behind them.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 30, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2011 ALCS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_ALCS
In the games they lost, Detroit gave up 3, 7, 7, and 15 runs. The only game where Prince likely could have helped was the 3-2 loss.
My guess is that if Detroit makes it to the World Series sometime between 2012 and 2015, it has more to do with Jacob Turner or Andrew Oliver than Prince Fielder.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think Austin Jackson takes a step forward this year
I don’t think he’ll be Adam Jones, but if he can figure it out at the plate it really helps that lineup be productive.
Momentum?
That 3-2 loss was in game 1, in Texas. I don’t have time to look at updated or more complete stats, but a quick google gave me a blog entry on BR where they calculated that out of all postseason series from 2005-2009, the winner of game 1 went on to win the series 30 out of 35 times.
I don't think that momentum can overtake the fact that...
… yes, Detroit had the best pitcher in Verlander, but Texas had a better rotation and bullpen.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's DET
If they want 100% attendance they probably shouldn’t charge 20 bucks a pop.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as I note, the Tigers are in a position where an overpay makes sense. The O’s, sadly are not.
Hard to underestimate the effect of Ilitch’s desires here. As noted, he’s 83 after all. I didn’t include it in the article (as it’s kind of delicate to put in a big media article), but the average 83 year-old-male only has roughly a 27% chance to be around in 9 years. Considering Ilitch is probably worth 40 times a Fielder overpay, that money just doesn’t have a lot of personal utility to him and it’s nowhere near enough to negatively affect his heirs.
by D.Szymborski on Jan 30, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's actually 27%?
Jeez, I would have figured it’s way lower than that.
I agree the Tigers are in a position to overpay.
I was just thinking the same thing.
I think my 84-yr-old father would be thrilled to know he has a 1-in-4 chance of making it to 92.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
astros
how did an overpay work for the stros? They won one (maybe I’m fuzzy on early 2000 baseball) but some of their contracts ended up in the owner selling them. for pocket change
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What do you mean for pocket change?
They made a huge profit on the sale IIRC. I’ll look for the link…
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
maybe I read it wrong
it was a while ago. I thought he broken about even. which over ten yr and insane sports inflation would suck. but they are hindered by shit contracts even now, so maybe being like the rangers and not making many damn the long term errors is the wise decision
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Bought by McLane in 1993 for $117 million
Sold in 2011 for $610 million.
Pocket change.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
shit I thought it was 300 mill.
forget I spoke
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Considering Ilitch is probably worth 40 times a Fielder overpay, that money just doesn’t have a lot of personal utility to him and it’s nowhere near enough to negatively affect his heirs.
Certainly if Illitch is planning on covering the cost of contract out of his pocket (either through him making the payments himself or through his will if he dies) then the contract is much more understandable. Hell, I would probably do the same if I was filthy rich and owned a franchise.
I wonder if Petey would do the same if the O’s were in a similar position?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
that's not a business anymore
that’s spending your money. No profit in paying for players out of your own pocket
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
then you are making an investment
so No longer the argument. if he is dying so he says fuck it, liqiidate 200 mill to pay prince. and then his family sells the team before said investment reaps rewards, that would be so dumb.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and if the 200 mill is in the sale of the team
then you are just splitting hairs. the team is paying for it then
by mdterps0325 on Jan 30, 2012 4:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think it's more that V-Mart is done
Dude’s getting micro-fracture surgery on his knee before they can even repair his ACL. He’ll never catch again, and may never be able to run properly again. Unless the AL allows courtesy runners, he may be done.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
he was barely used as a catcher anyways (26 games in 2011).
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I'm saying he may never bat again
His career may be over.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Sure.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Although I'm leaving at 450.
Let that be known before we begin.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
5
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Although I don't like 3 player games.
The winner is just whoever gets attacked last.
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by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, well, unless a 4th steps up,
we can either do it with 3 or not at all
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
How come
Jones and Markakis fielding percentages are better on the road then at home? Isn’t that contradicting the whole home field advantage theory?
Camden Yards screws with fielding metrics.
For example, there are no stadiums other than Camden Yards with live alligators in the RF power alley.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair,
I don’t “get” about 80% of the references on here. When somebody else speaks up, that makes me feel better.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
It's Naked Gun!
NAKED GUN!
It’s almost as bad as when I told someone their computer went to 11 the other week and she didn’t get it.
Oh crap.
You’re right to be saddened. That’s really one I should have gotten. I would, however, have understood the 11.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
With having a defensive
liability most of the season in left field, can that hurt the overall ability of the center fielder as he may have to compensate for the left fielder?
Am I the only one pumped on this Kotchman rumor?
I know we already have too many infielders, but I would be psyched to make room for Casey at 1B. Forget about Davis, even if you think he should be a DH. Let’s get a solid glove and serious OBP upside.
And don’t get me started on the BABIP. He had a great year last year and even if he can’t replicate it, he’ll still be awesome.
With love,
Another old, below average IF?
Pass. I don’t think he will improve on anything he did last year.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sure...totally ignore the fact that he hit better and fielded better.
But yea…other than that, he’s exactly like Betemit.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
True
I’d rather have Kotchman than Betemit.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Kotchman over the scrubs we'll be putting there.
aka Chris Davis.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather not have to pick between the two.
They both suck.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
This of course.
Unfortunately, we aren’t that lucky.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
That is something...
While we can easily agree on the fact that there are players better than either Davis or Kotchman, I think you gotta face the fact that Kotchman, even with a notable dive from his .306/.378 slash from last year (which btw is better than ANYONE on the O’s) would be an improvement over Davis. Which is what we’re going to deal with otherwise.
But we’ll agree to disagree.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
He would be an improvment
but we can only bring on so many 30+ IFs onto the roster.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
kotchman will be 29...
in the 2012 season.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying he's a long term solution
But I’ll take a “28+” guy with an OBP above .300 over a 25 year old that can’t break that mark. You know. Like Chris Davis? I don’t like old guys either and as I already stated, lord knows that there’s already a glut in the IF which includes a lot of young guys with serious upside but when I first heard this Kotchman rumor, age wasn’t the number I was thinking of. I was thinking of an Oriole batting above .300 and MAYBE a team that flirts with .500.
And now everyone will shit on me for even DREAMING of it.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kotchman alone would be fine.
But when you combine him with all the other guys of his ilk on this team, that just makes it too much.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Alone?
Like… pitching, catching and playing the outfield? Or are you suggesting that we simply cut/trade people based on age rather than proven AL East stats? Even ones that are better than anyone else on the team?
Maybe I’ve missed part of your argument…
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying it's too late to get Kotchman.
We already got Davis and Betimet along with a variety of new middle infielders to go along with Riemold. We aren’t going to cut Davis or Betimet so at this point what good does Kotchman do? If we are going to be competing why take on the extra salary for a guy who might not be that much better than what we already have.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
AH.
OK, now I feel you. (Pause).
Yeah, I started this subject by pointing out that we already had too many infielders and thus we can agree on that point. And you’re right. At this point, it would be kinda annoying but as I said in my recent Blog post (shameless self promotion), a glut of players in the infield with a couple of serious bats on top (Reynolds/Kotchman in this hypothetical situation) is a problem that I’d love to have.
But word. You’re right. It would be a lot of money without too much good reason. You’ve earned my respect. And a cookie, should we ever be baking in the same room.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
At least Davis is young enough so upside is possible.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
True
And this is the kind of logic I can agree with. A lot of people think Davis WILL get better and I want to believe in him. But the O’s have TONS of players with unproven upside. I’m totally down with hoping that Machado, Schoop, Adams and Bundy will soon be ROCKING the AL, but for now I like the idea of proven winners. Even if they do have a few gray hairs.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Without Lee's glove the first half of the season...
Reynolds has some 237 errors last year.
1B touches the ball more than 3B.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
With who?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 30, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Weren't most of Reynolds' gaffes committed while throwing?
because 1B throws a whole lot less than 3B
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I think so
its like he just loses concentration. His footwork was “kids, don’t try this at home” terrible.
I was searching for Mark Reynolds GIFs, found this. Which I think applies to this situation.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 30, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Poor Mark...
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
my avatar is from 162.
love that gif.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
nope
13 fielding errors, 11 throwing errors at third in 2011.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Really? You're using errors?
I swear, these old school stats… get with the times, man.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Oh, well then by all means use them!
It doesn’t even matter. Stats are ridiculous.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
His fielding gave me only 32 smiles in 2011 compared to 79 frowns
that’s a .4 s/f, not good.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Now this I understand!
But how would his s/f ratio change over an entire season at 1st?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I would say it would go up to .7 or .8
But there was a SSS of Smiles and Frowns last year. If you look at the models smilemetricians have come up with though, they predict 30 smiles and 55 frowns for Reynolds at first base. But his HR’s will generate 45 happy grins.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
its still mostly sadness
anyway, you said “gaffes” and that usually means errors.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I was purposely trying to stay away from the "errors" word
because just because he committed an “error” doesn’t mean he actually misplayed a ball, and just because he didn’t get an error doesn’t mean he played it correctly.
You obviously know this.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
true
but I believe strongly that Reynolds’ issues are more on the fielding side of things than the throwing, though I won’t at all argue the point that he’s not a good thrower.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
This may be true
I wasn’t 100% sure. I didn’t renew my MLB.tv last year after the all star break because I got tired of paying to watch something I can see for free by scooping the litter box every morning..
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
strongly disagree
EVERY first baseman makes a ton of scoops. The difference between a good scooper and a bad scooper is relatively trivial.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Yeah, I'll pass too.
I’d be perfectly content to start the season with 1B – Mahoney, 2B – Adams, SS – Hardy, 3B – Antonelli, LF – Reimold, CF – Jones, RF – Markakis…
Screw the record. See what you have. Nobody over the age of 30 should be starting for the Orioles and only established players that could start on a real team get to start if they’re over 26 (except for Reimold, because who doesn’t love Reimold). Don’t fit that bill? Trade ’em.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
In whose somewhere?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I do believe you are the only one
aside from Casey’s immediate family and his agent
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
I dunno
I think Tez might be on my side here.
Also, word is that Casey’s wife really preferred to live in Florida. Lots of rich old dudes to bag once Casey can’t cut the cheddar anymore.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
This is unacceptable
Let’s not denigrate people who don’t deserve it.
She married a ball player! What a gold digger!
I think
Neshek has a decent chance of making our bullpen. The guy needs to bring them walks down though.
The O's also signed catcher Ronny Paulino to a minor league deal.
And Korean left-hander Seong-Min Kim. He’s 17 so at least he’s a true prospect.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Now give it to the big bad gov't so they can hand it to some druggie who is chasing the blast.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
My first year teaching
I didn’t see a paycheck for SIX WEEKS. Standard practice, too, wasn’t a screwup. They did that to every new teacher.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
I love the incentives
I am officially giving every CCer the same WS/MVP incentive that Andino has. I will pay any of you 50k for winning the WS MVP award for the Orioles this year.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm pretty sure incentives like that aren't unusual.
In fact, I will pay all of you twice what Dana Eveland will get if he’s an All-Star.
And since when was Cots Contracts owned (is that even the right word?) by Baseball Prospectus?
They aren't unusual
Doesn’t make them less funny
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I think a lot of times they're put in there for the agent's sake
He can say he negotiated a bigger contract even though everyone knows its only technically part of the deal
They moved the site there about a month ot two ago.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 31, 2012 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Guys....we're short of 1000 comments today.
I’m not impressed with the effort.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
In 2020 I am going to be living in the 51st state, on the moon.
Discuss.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Will gay marriage and abortion be legal there?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
will the state provide welfare?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Not if Vice President Rubio gets elected.
It might be in the 52nd state of Puerto Rico though.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gingrich's plan for a moon base is terrible.
It would be badly funded, rushed, and motivated for the wrong reasons.
Kinda like how we went to the moon in the first place?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
The misplaced motivation is why we didn't stay there, though.
Once the Space Race was won, government leaders didn’t care anymore. If we’re going to put a colony on the moon, we should do it based on the merits of having a moon base, not to beat the dirty Russians or Chinese.
I would say the 51st state will be Delmarva
but we’d just be replacing Delaware, so the math doesn’t work.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
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