Projecting the Orioles in 2012 (Part I)
I'll be the first to admit, this isn't an exact science. Projecting a baseball team's expected performance over 162 games requires making accurate assumptions about a dozen or more different contributing factors per player, not to mention taking into account how the competition has changed. There are a lot of balls in the air, and if you drop one it can throw the entire calculation off wildly. Last year, I spent a ton of time projecting the Orioles to win about 81 games. They did not even come remotely close.
But I do still think projecting the Orioles is an important game to play. Firstly it puts some critical thinking towards how the team is built. I made several mistakes last year, clearly, and now it is challenge for me to get smarter about it and try and view the team more accurately. Secondly, even when I am wrong about a projected win total - even wildly wrong - when you compare what I thought would happen with what actually did happen, you can learn things. For example, I wasn't alone when I talked about the young pitchers building off their strong run in late 2010, but now I've learned the hard lesson about how September stats and young pitchers have a tendency to break your heart. Or at least, I think I've learned that lesson.
My thesis remains the same this year as it was last year: if we project improvement in terms of runs scored and runs allowed relative to 2011's levels, we should have as strong a picture of what to expect as is possible. Today in Part One, we're talking about the runs scored half of that equation, and specifically we're focusing on the bench.
Our baseline: the 2011 Orioles scored 708 runs.
For a team that failed to win even 70 games, there isn't a lot of turnover among the Orioles' position players. The only positions with changed starting personnel are first base, designated hitter, and left field. The bench has been de facto General Manager Dan Duquette's big tweak this winter, and it has been more or less completely redone. The 2011 bench came to the plate 748 times and created 47 runs*. For comparison, the New York Yankees' bench had 1105 plate appearances and created 125 runs. Prorated to set the innings equal, the Yankee backups were 180% as effective offensively as the Orioles (before taking into account park factors, since this is just to get a quick look). So perhaps I was wrong earlier this winter to judge the bench upgrade strategy poorly.
*Methodology: I've used weighted on base average (wOBA) before, and I'm using it here, too. It is an encompassing look at offensive production on a rate basis, like OPS but better. It is available on fangraphs. It is easy to convert into "runs created", which is also available on fangraphs (as wRC). When I say "runs created" I am referencing fangraphs' wRC stat.
The reason the Yankees had so many more bench PAs than the Orioles was because New York had two regulars, Jorge Posada and Alex Rodriguez, that spent a fair amount of time on the bench themselves. By and large, health was not a burden to the Orioles in 2011. Still, it is fair to project more batting time for the bench in 2012.
Backup Catcher: Craig Tatum and Jake Fox only totaled 163 plate appearances and 11 runs, but most indications are that the O's intend to play Taylor Teagarden more often. In his career so far, Teagarden has a dreadful career batting line (.220/.286/.417) but if he continued that pace, he would pick up about 20 runs in 200 PA. I would even expect a little bit more. That's not too shabby an upgrade.
Fourth Outfielder: Felix Pie, Matt Angle, and Kyle Hudson combined for 299 PAs and 17 runs created. Giving Endy Chavez those 300 PAs, most projection systems easily see him doubling the runs created. This is more of a statement about Pie, Angle, and Hudson (combined home runs: 1, combined on base percentage: .254) than Chavez, who only projects to around a .300 OBP.
The Rest of the Bench: The 2011 infield backups created 19 runs in 286 PAs, which is again pretty bad. I expect the non-Teagarden, non-Chavez bench members in 2012 to get more plate appearances and hopefully create more runs, but projecting Jai Miller, Matt Antonelli, Ryan Flaherty, and so on seems like fool's work to me. Let's say, since the error range doesn't seem very large, the rest of the bench makes the same rate of runs, but has 400 PA. That gives them 27 runs, but with the upside to improve that number.
In total, I'm projecting the bench to at least create 81 runs, with the upside to score around 100 in the 900 PA or so they are given. That's good improvement over last year, around 40 extra runs. The standard sabrmetric conversion of runs to wins is roughly 10 runs = 1 win*, so forgetting the defense of these bench players for a second, Dan Duquette has upgraded what was a woeful bench in a way that it is reasonable to project an extra four wins for the Orioles.
*Why? It's about Bill James' Pythagorean record formula, which is runs scored squared over the sum of runs scored squared and runs allowed squared. At an equal number of runs allowed and runs scored, the expected record is 81-81. To shift the expectation to 80-82 (as an example), we need to have about 10 more runs allowed than runs scored.
That seems like a lot, right? Well, remember, of the bench players in 2011, only Ryan Adams, Jake Fox, and Blake Davis, and Brandon Snyder had on base percentages over .300, and the entire bench only had 37 extra base hits in nearly 750 plate appearances. They were extremely bad on offense. Fangraphs has them as about 35 runs below average. I won't say the bench was a big culprit in the failure in the Quest for .500 of 2011, but they certainly helped that failure along. Look for that to change in 2012.
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Good read Andrew... thanks for putting this together.
Looking forward to the remaining parts. I hadn’t even given much thought to the bench but a 4 win improvement, in theory, from this set of scrubs over last years set of scrubs is pretty surprising.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions
Aha. So THAT'S why it's called the Pythagorean record.
I always wondered what the deal was with that. I have never seen it explained anywhere before.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 31, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions
I appreciate all the love
but I kind of miss JP coming on and yelling about my pseudo-math replacing honest thought and/or emotion.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
YOU CAN'T PROJECT TEAM CHEMISTRY!
OR GRIT AND HUSTLE!
by Holymittens on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
sure you can
It’s the standard deviation of A*B*C / [(SqrRt 576.32*Pi*9)*162]
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by OriolesOptimist on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is a solid read for anyone who is upset at the lack of blockbuster FA signings this offseason
It would be a great read for Jeremy Conn of 105.7 the Fan. I’m getting sick of his ramblings every day about how the Orioles need to make a big splash. A 4 win improvement for the amount of money spent on these bench players is a no-brainer.
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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
I really like Jeremy normally, but he’s drifted into the typical fist-shaking O’s fan. I guess it’s not his job to really think about baseball on the air, though, to be fair.
At least as far as something like Twitter goes, that guy is indistinguishable from WNST personalities.
Some people’s dislike of Angelos is so strong that they reflexively bash anything the Orioles do or don’t do. This is true among some national personalities as well as local ones. I find this tiresome from people who claim to some kind of journalistic objectivity.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 31, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
In total, I’m projecting the bench to at least create 81 runs, with the upside to score around 100 in the 900 PA or so they are given. That’s good improvement over last year, around 40 extra runs. The standard sabrmetric conversion of runs to wins is roughly 10 runs = 1 win*, so forgetting the defense of these bench players for a second, Dan Duquette has upgraded what was a woeful bench in a way that it is reasonable to project an extra four wins for the Orioles.
I’m sure Andrew knows this but I want to point out that these is true in a vacuum. Those 4 wins could easily be diminished depending on the defensive value that these players produce in comparison to last year’s crew.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
It's pretty hard to be worse than, say, Felix Pie as a defensive substitute.
Of course, that’s only one person out of all of the ones being discussed here, but still.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's true,
which is interesting since we all thought that defense would be one of his strengths. Tater though seems decent enough with the glove. I’m not sure about Angle and Hudson. That said, I do agree with the sentiment that the bench is improved. I’m a little skeptical the improvement equals 4 wins, but that’s my initial reaction.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That's why it's a big deal.
Incremental steps add up.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I'm with you.
It does seem like a lot. But I can’t help but look at just how inept Pie, Tatum, Fox, and the rest were at bat and say, well, there’s a TON of room for easy improvement. To wit: The bench players I used here totaled -3.7 fWAR.
And as for defense…I’m not sure why I didn’t just include it so this was a single bench article, but here we are. I will certainly get to it.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
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and greetings from your rival AL East bird team!
Anyway, correct me if I’m wrong here, but even if they add 40 more runs, by your estimation, they’d be doing it in ~150 more plate appearances, which means that starters will be losing those plate appearances. Over those 150 plate appearances, a below average hitter (say, wRC+ 90) would be creating about 15 runs.
So, although the bench is upgraded, projecting an additional four wins from the upgrades is probably a bit off, isn’t it?
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Remember when he was good on defense?
How’d he go back to sucking so much in 2011?
/sigh
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Quick thought on formatting
I like how you’ve made a stats-based conclusion, then inserted the summarized supporting info after, but not at the very bottom of the article or linked to from another site. It seems to be easier (for me, at least) to digest this way.
I'm big on making all this stat gobblety-gook understandable
so any criticisms on that front will be happily received.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Fun stuff!
I was surprised about the tatum numbers. It seemed like every time I saw his name he had been doing some pretty good stuff last year with the bat, that said woosh I suppose I just happened not to tune in many of the days he was at the plate.
this doesn't make sense to me
Andrew: leaving aside, for a moment, that i feel you can’t predict any of this stuff with any degree of accuracy (and by “you”, I mean “one”, not you personally), the following doesn’t make sense to me:
Let’s say, since the error range doesn’t seem very large, the rest of the bench makes the same rate of runs, but has 400 PA. That gives them 27 runs, but with the upside to improve that number…..
…..In total, I’m projecting the bench to at least create 81 runs, with the upside to score around 100 in the 900 PA or so they are given. That’s good improvement over last year, around 40 extra runs.
The backup bench folks are going from 286 PA to 400. The overall bench is going from 748 PAs to 900.
But those extra PAs aren’t freebies—they are at the cost of starters who would have made those PAs. If Teagarden is playing more often, it means that Matt Wieters is sitting more often.
So we don’t get 40 extra runs, we get 40 runs minus whatever the starters would have gotten had they been given those ABs. And the resulting difference is not likely to be a net positive.
What am I missing?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
That's fine
Like I wrote, I think there are still lessons to be gleaned from doing this sort of thing inaccurately. Namely, if I think X will happen but Y happens: why? And I think there are a ton of sabrmetrically inclined questions waiting down that path with interesting answers. So there’s no offense at all that I think anyone should take from you or anyone else pointing out that these projections systems are in a ton of ways inaccurate and prototypical.
Anyway, yes you are correct. Any increased plate time we give to the bench will be taken away from the starters when I do them next. So when I say I think the bench will gain 40 runs over last year’s bench, it implies that the starters have a higher chance of doing worse. Maybe I should be explicit about that.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Not necessarily that the starters will PERFORM worse, but they will likely not be as healthy.
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when you're done, maybe do a consolidated piece
just to make sure all the PA/IP numbers add up?
I do think, in isolation, that the O’s likely 2012 bench will be better than the 2011 bench. I also think it’s sort of weird how the team has like eleven different 5th starters right now, but I’m sure you’ll address that in the pitching section.
by AndrewTorrez on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well,
just as a ballpark guess: the O’s (as a whole) scored 708 runs in 6,156 PA. That’s about 1 run per 8.7 PA. If we’re subtracting about 150 PA from the starters, even if we assume the starters get, say, 1 run per 7.5 PA — making it better than the overall figure that includes last year’s bench — those 150 PA are a loss of about 20 runs, which gives a 20 run net gain.
…If that makes sense.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Not necessarily true that + bench PA = - starter PA
If Buck goes to rotisserie DHs, for example, then you essentially have 8 starters in your lineup as a matter of course, with the DH being a position regular who’s just getting a little rest. In that case, you automatically have more PA for the bench, because you have a bench player starting every game—who that is depends on who is DHing.
Also, in the Wieters example, you have to account for the possibility, in theory at least, that sitting a catcher a little more often may improve his production per PA, so added PA for the backup could be a win-win if the backup can produce a little. A hard thing to get right, admittedly, but possible.
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I'm actually not at all surprised by your conclusion here, Andrew.
I had a hunch that, once you add them up, all the little moves Duquette has made could be significant; thanks for crunching the numbers.
I know that “now we have more ability to makes trades” is hard to get excited about, but if you’re going to get a decent return on a trade, this seems like what you have to do beforehand. I can’t help but look at the added depth and think that the team has a lot more flexibility to trade someone like Jones or Guthrie than it used to. Competent backups, even when only mediocre, make it a lot easier to trade away your better players.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Backup futility
The O’s are, let’s face it, a terrible team. It is not surprising at all that our backup players were terrible. If you can’t crack the starting line up of a team as bad as the Orioles then you are the very definition of an unproductive player. Rather than comparing our back up players to the Yankees it would be more interesting to compare them to the Astro’s backup players or some other woeful team in either league.
by Robert Lamirande on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions
thats dumb
there are tons of backup players on other teams that wouldn’t make the O’s starting squad. This is just blanket snark and negativity.
by mdterps0325 on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's a little over-negative, but there is a point here.
Maybe it’d be better to compare the bench to an aggregate measure of other team’s benches rather than just the Yankees, which may or may not be atypical.
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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 1, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not a stats guy at all... (due to heavy ignorance/lack of intelligence)
However, I loved how you made it make sense (to me anyway!). I appreciate your style of writing and am very much looking forward to the following pieces in this series!!!
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fantastic piece Andrew
Really enjoyed it! I’m kinda stunned that a bench can potentially add so much. Of course, I guess an argument can be made that a bad bench is better for a bad team because theoretically it enhances their draft position.
Either way, I am looking forward to seeing what Flaherty and some of the other Orioles can do. Given the health issues of Moldy and Hardy, one would assume some of these guys will get more playing time than expected.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I also think one of the big events in 2011 was
losing Brian Roberts. It seemed like we went from bad to awful almost immediately after that event, especially offensively. IF the sits out again for much of the season, I can’t imagine much of an offensive improvement with an upgraded bench.
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