Orioles name Ray Poitevint as Executive Director, International Baseball
From the press release:
The Orioles today announced that they have named RAY POITEVINT as Executive Director, International Baseball.
"I am delighted to have Ray Poitevint return to the Orioles where he began his career and to have his veteran baseball leadership as part of our global recruiting and marketing efforts," said Orioles Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations DAN DUQUETTE.
Now entering his sixth decade working in baseball, Poitevint began his career as an Associate Scout with the Orioles in the early 1960s. He was promoted to Area Scout and then Supervisor over the course of his 12 years with the Orioles, where he recommended and signed Hall of Fame 1B EDDIE MURRAY and RHP DENNIS MARTINEZ, among others.
Poitevint was an original member of the "Dalton Gang" who worked with former Orioles GM HARRY DALTON in Baltimore, California and Milwaukee. After a brief stint as Farm and Development Director with the Angels, he joined the Brewers in 1978, serving as Scouting and Farm Director and eventually Vice President of International Operations in 15 years with Milwaukee. CA BJ SURHOFF and LHPs TED HIGUERA and JUAN NIEVES were among his notable signings with the Brewers.
He spent over nine years with the Red Sox as the Executive Director of International Operations beginning in 1992. Poitevint recommended and signed RHPs HIDEO NOMO as a major league free agent and TOMO OHKA from Japan. He was also instrumental in acquiring SUN WOO KIM and JIN HO CHO from Korea in his time working with Duquette in Boston.
Poitevint also worked with the MLB Scouting Bureau for two years in the mid-70s and has placed over 50 players from American baseball clubs on Japanese teams.
I don't know anything about Ray Poitevint, but I did a little googling, just for you. He played two seasons of minor league baseball in 1949 and 1950, which makes him at least 80 years old. I'm not bashing old people, I'm just saying that's how old it makes him. He was also involved in that awesome reality show where two Indian pitchers won the right to play in the minors for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Before becoming a scout for the Orioles, he fought in the Korean War and played baseball in Japan.
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The Orioles Plan:
Create a younger team with a geriatric ward front office. Every warehouse cubicle and office comes fully equipped with a lifetime supply of blood thinners, anti-arthritis meds, and digestive aids.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Seriously
is the stadium and warehouse fully wheel chair/walker accessible? When everybody else is getting young hot shots from wall street we’re wheeling in old timers pushing 100.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
by O'sFan21 on Jan 9, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently I'm not fooling anybody
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Jan 9, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, seriously
Really, hiring all these old guys who actually know what they’re doing, have repeatedly demonstrated it over the years, and were still working instead of sitting on their butts watching TV and snarking like guys 1/4th their age.
And who now bring that experience, smarts - and contacts - to the Orioles front office, where it will be communicated to the people who already work there.
Thus the people who don’t have any hair to comb are blocking the infusion of people who don’t know what a comb is.
Can’t have that, now can we?
Yeah look at all these other successful teams hiring all these "old guys who actually know what they're doing"
World series here we come!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yeah look at all these other successful teams hiring all these "old guys who actually know what they're doing"
World series here we come!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
By jove, I think he's got it!
Ferreira with the Yanks? Thomas with the Phils? Poitevint with the Orioles and the Brewers?
They all went to the World Series!
But why stop at two posts saying the same thing? Post it a few more times and it will start to sink in.
You’re really arguing that because they had limited (and it’s very limited even among the there teams you named above – Yanks and Phils made the playoffs only once while Ferreira/Thomas were around) success at some point over their 50+ year careers they’ll have success again now that they’re in their 80s? Again look around the league and see if you find any other teams bringing in 80 year olds to run pivotal divisions. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Except
None of the three are actually “running” anything - Thomas and Ferreira are advisors. Poitevint might be an exception, but you’re going to have someone in charge of East Asian scouting for a change, it’s a good idea to put the one person in the US who knows the most about it in charge.
Besides, he can always delegate when it’s time for his afternoon nap.
Oh, and I forgot to mention Thomas’s WS appearances with the Cardinals.
None of the three are actually running anything except for 1 of the three. haha
I enjoyed that, but I hope you’re right that they won’t have much of an impact.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Almost forgot...
Two of these toothless geezers who will be going on life support any day now, Ferreira and Poitevint, have marginalized David Stockstill in the organization.
You know, one of those younger guys who doesn’t need a walker.
I agree that what he said sounds ageist, but I think his point was referring to using
old school vs. newer, statistically inclined scouting.
Older people are slower/ more reluctant to pick up new trends.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 11, 2012 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
Stats
The old guys don’t have to be the ones to use statistically inclined scouting. Anyone can look at the stats, and they don’t have to be on-site to do it. Besides, that’s Duquette’s specialty anyway. He’s also kept up with new trends, giving seminars on the subject before he got hired.
The beauty of this is that it gives us the best of the old-school scouting approach - which the wiser statheads realize is important - combined with the newer statistical approach.
In any event, none of us know how much those old guys do consider stats. Not all older people are reluctant to pick up new trends.
It was supposed to sound ageist
It’s fucking laughable that we’re hiring these old guys.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Book recommendation
After reading your notes on this subject, I was thinking you might find it worthwhile to spend some time with this .
Unless
it’s a book about shitty baseball teams that turn it around in part through hiring guys who had success 2-3 decades ago and are either pushing or past 80, I’m not so interested.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Blah blah market inefficiency blah blah
No one else is hiring old folks, so we’ll have the pick of the market!
by Chanumas on Jan 9, 2012 6:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why is no one talking about the REAL signing today?
Did I miss the article? I’m so psyched about the Wei Yin Chen signing, and yet I’m not seeing anything about this on Camden Chat… come on guys! I’m glad that we got Ray, but I’ll never wear a jersey with his name on it.
A guy with a lifetime 2.59 ERA? Now THERE is something to write about. Let’s go Danny Dukes!
Seriously.
More people are talking about football that has nothing to do with Baltimore than they are baseball… I AM on a baseball blog that cares about the Orioles right? Well, cares might be a strong word.
It's not a strong word at all
We talk about baseball and the O’s every single day. There was a front page post about the signing.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
we might care more
when he’s actually signed and not just pending a physical, etc.
also, a 2.59 ERA in the NPB is hardly indicative of anything. I’m happy we got the guy, but he’s not going to be the second coming of David Price. Particularly since he’s coming off an injury.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
it's also on the FRONT PAGE,
directly below this thread.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Andrew linked to the news
I can’t write an analysis piece on a new pitcher from work; I can copy and paste a press release. Unfortunately Camden Chat doesn’t pay my bills.
by Stacey on Jan 9, 2012 8:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
O's PR department
loves them some capital letters, don’t they?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
the extra 2%...
poitevint is 2% older than lee thomas. wily old geezers are being under-utilized!
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
This just proves that Angelos is a fan of hiring younger executives!
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
maybe the 2012 slogan will be
“Out with the Reimold, in with the Old!”
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
out w/ the reimold, in w/ the...
who am i?
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why am I here?
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
...and
thank you for picking me up, gents.
gunga galunga.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
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