Wednesday Bird Droppings
by j.q. higgins on Feb 1, 2012 6:10 AM EST
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PrintThis weather really makes me long for baseball and here we are in a new month, another day closer to Spring Training. Beautiful.
Orioles: Which Orioles prospects could be trade bait? Not a lot of options - baltimoresun.com This is kind of an odd one. I can't figure out if the point is that there is no one the O's COULD trade for Koji or no one the Rangers would find acceptable that the Orioles would give up.
Steve Melewski: These topics are worth watching in the Orioles' minors this year Townsend...Mahoney...WHO! WILL! OWN IT?!
Chicago White Sox: Mark Parent intent on establishing Chicago White Sox Way throughout organization - chicagotribune.com A pox on your White Sox Way, sir.
The 15 worst uniforms of all time - USATODAY.com Photos I can think of worse...didn't the Pirates used to wear a wheel of cheese on their heads?
The worst All-Stars of all-time | HardballTalk Cito Sucks!
On this day in 1958, Mysterious Walker died. According to B-R, he is the only player to have had the nickname "Mysterious".
It's the birthday of Paul Blair, Joe Mahoney, Kent Mercker and Rich Becker.
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Those Pirate uniforms are truly the worst ever.
But, I just can’t bring myself to desecrate this site by posting a picture of one.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
This is the tale of the Pirates bad uni's
by DaveAA on Feb 1, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not better.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Nope.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
This whole division's a p*ssy
Just waiting to get FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Feb 1, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Close enough.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
You're probably right, those softball uniforms are the worst.
I tend to let emotion get in the way when it comes to those Pirate uniforms. But, even by objective standards, they’re pretty bad.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
1986 Baltimore Bullets?
Baltimore? only missed that by what, 15 years or so?
by InfrasonicTom on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Happy National Signing Day!
Stefon Diggs won’t decide until next week for some reason, so it’ll be a slow news day for the Terps. In any case, I hope that one special teenager that you’ve been stalking online puts on your Alma Mater’s hat today and makes all of your wildest dreams come true.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions
Good signing day so far for Rutgers
We haven’t lost much from our great class despite losing Schiano to the Bucs… plus we’ve added a few names.
I can see 1 Buc Place from my cube, so I was going to leer in that general direction and shake my fist in a menacing manner if the class dissolved. That’s all I had on my work schedule today, so I should have some free time this afternoon.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Yeah, it's looking like a pretty good class.
I was pretty nervous last Thursday. But it definitely says something that the head coach leaves and the recruits stay on board.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I've been really nervous that this was going to send the team into a tailspin
with all the progress they’ve made lately, this was the worst possible time for it to happen, but looks like it’s going to be much less terrible than I thought. We’re going to lose a few guys (like Giacone, which sucks because we have no TE now) but for the most part it’s still a relatively monster class.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Diggs is really the only relevant name still out there,
and the Testudo Times signing day thread makes it look everyone else is locked in (except for poor Abner Logan, whose bus apparently broke down on his way to fax in the letter). Locksley did a pretty good job salvaging this class in the little time he had, but it was too late to get any of the really top-tier recruits to reconsider. I’m really not expecting Diggs either.
Though we are getting a really late visit from Diggs
which wouldn’t make any sense if we weren’t at least in the running.
He's deciding between us and three powerhouses
Don’t remember exactly who but it’s like Maryland, and three Alabama’s.
I read that as he’s deciding between staying home, or leaving home for a big program. I think that gives us much better than the perceived 25% chance, especially if he’s making one more last minute visit.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
South Carolina isn't expecting any last minute, big-name decisions like the last couple of years
but I have no complaints about another solid top-15 recruiting class
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Awesome
Paul Blair.
"I think not sucking is way more of an important thing to pay attention to first." -- Gabe Newell
question about photoshop
as in, how can i get started in photoshopping? i didn’t know if there was a website or program that most people use to do their work. i just have a couple of simple things that i want to do, and would appreciate any sort of suggestions or advice from my fellow CC’ers. thanks.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
like i said, i have no idea what i'm doing
i know there’s a Photoshop website, but didn’t know if that was the best route to go
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
older versions
…. of Photoshop can be routinely found on eBay for a couple hundred bucks. You could get something like CS3 which is only 3-4 years old, and contains illustrator, indesign, and dreamweaver or flash on top of photoshop.
Just a thought if you’re going to go beyond photo editing.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Speaking of used software
did anyone see the ars technica (and maybe elsewhere) article about proposals to totally eliminate used copies of games for the next xbox system?
Basically, all games would be downloaded directly to the system. Anyone without access to the internet would take a physical key that comes with their system to a in-store kiosk, which burns a copy of the game that only works while that key is inserted into the game system.
Remember when they said they were going to do that with music?
And you’d just select the songs you wanted at Best Buy instead of buying pre-made cds? Yea, that didn’t happen either.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Well, i think with music it just skipped a generation
The kiosks are only a transitional medium for the few people who still don’t have a broadband connection but do have a current generation gaming system. Eventually it’d be phased out entirely for direct-to-console downloads.
With music, file sizes are small enough that there really wasn’t a need for a technology between mass-produced media and digital downloads.
XBOX will have a huge problem on thier hands if they do this
They CHARGE to use your own internet access. If I am paying an internet provider and have to pay XBOX for “access” to download my games and then also pay XBOX for the games that is a deal breaker. I already don’t use Xbox live simply because of the principle that I believe they should want me to have easier access to their product instead they encourage me not to buy/download their online content because I dont want to pay a subscription fee to use their gaming system.
If they implemented a system like this, I'd have to assume there would be something like XBox Live Lite
that lets you download games but not play them online
yeah
xbox only charges you to use multiplayer functionality and to access media content that isn’t provided by Zune (i.e. Microsoft). It’s been this way forever, it used to be called “XBox Live Silver” but thankfully MS just changed it to “XBox Live Free.”
It is just so much more clunky than the PS3
I have xbox because my tv came with it. I get very jealous of my friends with ps3s enjoying their product while a stew over the fact that I can’t use half of the NHL game I bought used without signing up for a subscription.
sell your 360 on craigslist
or swap it for a PS3 or something. I’ve never thought of the XBox being “clunky,” but I also pay for Live so I dunno.
I will never get too old for video games
That seems equivalent to me of saying “I’m getting too old for books” or “I’m getting to old to watch movies.”
I feel this way
Video games are looked down on as childish often, but it’s really just an interactive way to tell a story, or to dive deeper into a passion like baseball. My tastes are changing a lot, but I don’t think I’ll ever stop enjoying them.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I think when people say "too old for video games"
what they really mean is now they’re married and/or have kids and they don’t have the opportunity to pursue video games as an individual interest any more.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve probably become the “casual gamer” since taking a job that’s a lot more intense.
I still play Madden (PS2), a couple games on the WII (Mario Kart, New SMB), and fire up the NES every once in awhile. Stuff that’s fun and in which you can make progress in only short sessions.
But I can’t see myself starting something really time-consuming and immersive like Ocarina of Time or GTAIII and GTAIII: Vice City again.
I am married
And have a 16 year old, and I put in countless hours on SW:TOR already… AND our kid just made honor roll. Now waiting for the my kid can beat up your kid jokes to commence…
A red-headed one?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
I expect to be a future dad gamer, so obviously it's not universal.
I feel like gaming in general is a thing that falls off the interest scale for some people as they have other responsibilities.
I don’t have a problem with anybody’s choice as long as they don’t like… have their life totally absorbed by fantasy football and then make fun of people who still play video games.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I meant it purely in the
I am getting older and wasn’t able to figure out that certain aspects of xbox live were free sense. Not in the games are childish sense.
I think you're wrong
I’m not married, I don’t have kids, I used to play tons of video games, and I still have plenty of free time to do so, and I partake regularly. And I agree that gaming is a good way to get an interactive story or do brain teasers or both. And yet…I’m increasingly disillusioned by the way story-telling in video games has just stagnated to a bunch of horrible, childish writing of the same five tropes. It seems like graphics and “grinding” and doing cool-looking things has really taken over the industry.
Now, I still find more than enough games for me to enjoy. I played Bastion last month, it was excellent. But 95% of the games out there, yeah, I think I am too adult for them.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I agree with this
There is nothing inherent in the activity of playing games that makes it childish. It’s just the themes, stories, and characters the developers choose to work with that make it so.
Something like this.
I don’t like to spend money on video games because I am terrible so the only game I play is Team Fortress 2. I’d like to buy Skyward Sword one day. Anyways, I just don’t really care for the fantasy-type aspect that seems to dominate the story based games like Skyrim, and stuff. I don’t care for elves and magic and dungeons and stuff (Zelda notwithstanding). I also don’t love the hyper-real shooters but I can see them with potential. One of my most played games of all time is actually Spiderman 2 on gamecube because you could just swing around NYC and do whatever the hell you wanted. I think I would like GTA4 if I had it, even though it’s a little too over the top.
Tommy hunter still sucks!
Yeah, I agree
Too many of the major studio releases are aimed at the same type of people who make the Transformers movies huge blockbusters, despite how terrible they are.
You really need to look at indy games for the great stories. When I have time at home tonight, I’ll try to dig up a couple of names of some awesome stuff I’ve played. Well, besides Braid, which I’ve mentioned a couple of times here.
its story AND gameplay
and a lot of games just have really simple gameplay, and you do the same thing over and over and over again.
I’l use Uncharted as an example. I played the first one and somewhat enjoyed it, and then tried the second one. It was 15 hours of just “point and shoot and duck and point and shoot and duck and sneak around”…which is exactly what the first one was.
That’s not a game. That’s a movie with annoying mini-games between the cutscenes.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Portal was a pretty fun one
You did use a lot of the same maneuvers but they did a decent job of adding in different elements into the puzzles.
agreed
both portal games did a great job of keeping me invested in the gameplay and in the story (or at least glaDos and Cave Johnson’s maniacal personalities).
Braid, too, for that matter.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I liked Portal 2's story way better than the first one
I found the interplay of Wheatley and glaDos, with the insanity of Cave Johnson, much more interesting than the simple unanswered taunts of glaDos.
Like I said, try Braid
Or Aquaria. Aquaria is another one that had a really good story and super fun game play, plus amazing music.
For people that think games are childish
I’ll put in Uncharted 2 or 3, or God of War 3 as a demonstration as to how wrong they are.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
That depends on your definition of childish.
God of war, for example, isn’t childish in its subject matter, with the violence and sex and all, but I think it’s pretty childish in its focus on those subjects. Not as bad as duke nukem. With that said, I loved the first God of War, and will probably play the others some day. I just think the hyper violent atmosphere could be described as immature.
When people hear games, they tend to think of ones like Super Mario 1
And others that are primarily aimed at kids, as if games themselves haven’t evolved for 30 years. I put those ones on as a demonstration of content yeah, but also to show them how they look. The first boss in GOW 3 shows the scope of evberything quite well, and the technology that went into that is awe inspiring.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I miss when Duke Nukem
was a slightly edgy 2D platformer rather than… well, whatever you want to call it now.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah, exactly
I really don’t think that video games have been deeply explored as a storytelling medium yet, though it’s coming along with stuff like Braid. The big studios aren’t putting it out, yet. Even stuff like Mass Effect is, in pure writing quality, only above average and not on the scale of a Great Gatsby or Native Son or the like.
Yea
though you have to expect that. Look at music. How often are major label artists among the truly most talented musicians? Justin Bieber sells music, so Justin Bieber it is. Mario sells games. He doesn’t have to tell an amazing story to do it, so why try? Slap his face on a golf game and make $$$.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Well, I think there are plenty of very talented musicians signed to major labels
David Bowie was signed to RCA and Virgin and Columbia over the years, for instance. And while movies have typical Michael Bay schlock, they also have major studios and directors putting out things like The Departed and Inception.
Major video game labels, for the most part, haven’t caught up. It’s in part due to the relative infancy as video games as a medium to tell stories, which only really launched about 20 years ago.
Yeah
Valve, Bungie, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Bethesda, Santa Monica Studios division of SCEA come to mind right away for me.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I covered Mass Effect earlier
It’s definitely good, compared to other major video game releases, but I wouldn’t compare the writing in it to, say, the writing of Gene Wolfe or Iain M. Banks or (to use a non-sci-fi author) Mark Twain.
Samuel Clemens
depended on tired old themes and overly convenient plot devices. (actually he’s one of my favorites)
Well no
but, like you said, literature has hundreds of years to draw on.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Right
I believe the reason video games haven’t (yet) gotten to the heights of literature and movies is simply because of age. The best writers don’t go into video games. They write screenplays or novels or (less often now, but sometimes) poetry or short stories.
As video games become more universally accepted as a storytelling medium, you’ll have more talented writers say “I want to write the great American video game!” as opposed to “I want to write the great American novel!”
You can see a similar thing happening with animation, where for the longest time, the only good writing in cartoons was in cartoons for kids. Then the adults who grew up watching those cartoons started to make cartoons for adults and we got Beavis & Butt-head, South Park, and the Simpsons. Granted, those are all comedies and thus limited, but eventually someone will start making serious animation for adults with great plots (aside from the Japanese, that is).
I love short stories.
More than novels actually. I love when every word counts.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
I like them both, actually
It’s just that, unless you’re a famous author (see: Neil Gaiman), your short story collections won’t sell. And even Gaiman sees far less sales for his short stories than his novels.
I have been getting really into anthologies
They are fun and you get exposed to a lot of authors you wouldn’t necessarily have known.
John Joseph Adams <—on of the best anthology editors I have come across. His collection of distopian short stories was amazing.
Look up “Brave New Worlds: Dystopian Stories”
Sounds good.
I like dystopia tales and alt. history.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
yes! I have both as well
I still have to read wastelands.
Ebert wrote a column on how games aren't art at all.
I know of a lot of games now that I would consider as art, not even necessarily due to how the graphics look, but how they play. Stuff like Okami, Flower, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc etc.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
Yeah, Ebert was just wrong about that
Typical old man refusing to acknowledge that his ways aren’t correct any more.
Skyrim? Really?
All I’ve heard about the writing in Skyrim is how most of it sounds like it was auto-generated.
You have to be in to that kind of game to enjoy it.
It got tons of press, but the elder scroll games don’t usually have humongous mass appeal.
I used to be a writer for Skyrim
until I took an arrow in the knee.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
As a piece of artwork it was awesome
as an initial game it was fun. Just like a lot of games though it gets very repetetive. I will still go to the line arguing it is artistry.
Play through the Uncharted series
and tell me how it’s anything lesser than a film. If Indiana Jones qualifies as an art form, then UC most definitely is.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I love the Uncharted games
and the Indiana Jones comparison is spot on. But it’s troubling when the “best” example of great story-telling in games is only on par with Indiana Jones.
Well, that's for the big studio games
The storytelling in Braid was awesome. There was another game I played a couple of years ago that had an amazing story, but I can’t remember what it is right now.
yeah, sorry..
putting the word “best” in quotes was to indicate that I was really just talking about games that are visible to the mainstream audience.
I liked the “story” in Flower a lot, though I’d call that more of a poem than a story.
I think the Portal/Portal 2 story is way better than the Uncharted story
I chose Uncharted because it’s visually stunning as well and because there was an easy comparison to an accepted “art form”.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Yes, they are trying to cut out the middle man
If they can sell directly to you for $60 then they end up making a lot more money. Pluis without used sales, those people will then have to buy new. Once they finally push through their anti-piracy legislation, you won’t even be able to mention one of their trademarks online without your site being taken down or blocked by the Government.
Of course I say all this and have bought every PC game I now play through an online vendor with direct download, because there is a silver lining to all of this, I don’t have to listen to snot nosed punks at Gamestop asking me if I want service plans or to pre-order the new Hello Kitty Island Adventure Game. Digital Distribution is becoming more prevalent, and I really like Steam’s model of business, granted that’s still a 3rd party retailer in most cases, but I can download my games on multiple computers without a problem, then delete them and still have access in a somewhat timely fashion (depending on the size of the download).
Digital distribution is the future
It doesn’t have that much to do with eliminating resales, though that’s just a bonus for the software makers.
Steam is awesome for digital distribution
because they have the right idea – there isn’t resale of the games but you get massive discounts on older games. I was never much of a game seller but I would always buy used games after they came out. Steam lets you buy some great games that are a year old for huge discount just like you were buying it used.
Eliminating resales is a big issue
If this lets them kill two birds with one stone, then even better for them. But if i can guarantee they’d be hard at work on a different solution to preventing resale if digital distribution didn’t solve it.
It brings up the issue of what you're buying when you buy "a game"
Are you buying access to it? Or are you buying a copy of it? If you’re buying a copy, then it seems like you should be able to resell it, or let somebody borrow it. The game companies, of course, would like to only sell you access to the game, so that everyone has to pay if they want to play it. A move like this would only encourage more people to pirate.
I guess it's sort of what they are doing now by providing codes to access the online multiplayer aspects of games
Only one code per copy of the game that’s sold, so if you buy it used, you’re gonna have to fork over some extra money to play multiplayer.
Well, that is the issue with End User License Agreements
and its something that hasn’t been entirely addressed by the courts. First-sale rights are something that are in the Copyright Act and are constitutionally protected, but game publishers argue they’re only giving you a license and not actually selling you the rights to the material, and you agree to that every time you install a game. So far, courts have been very friendly to these agreements, but their hasn’t been a specific opinion saying you can contract away your first-sale rights. I’d suspect its coming though, and would be shocked if it was something consumers will be happy with.
Your comment about Gamestop is the #1 reason why I can't get worked up about this thing.
The principle of being able to re-sell a game is something I support, but the reality is you’re probably going to sell it back to GameStop, who will rip you off and give you like $5 for something they will turn around and try to sell for $25.
As my favorite gaming website Penny Arcade said, if you choose to see it as rewarding Fat Cats, do you want to reward the ones actually responsible for bringing you a game or just some random morons who run what amount to gaming pawn shops? Well, when you put it that way…
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
You can sell used games on Amazon
Of course, unless they’re relatively new, you’re probably getting less than if you take them to GameStop.
Glyde.com seems to be a decent option as well
although I’ve had some DVDs listed on there for several months with no movement.
You can sell them on Ebay
and get just about what Gamestop sells them for anyway. Gamestop just is there if you don’t want the hassle of ebay.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Don't sell them on eBay
eBay is terrible for selling most used games. Also, I hate eBay. They force you into the scam that is PayPal.
Yes, I sell things on eBay for a living. I still hate it.
Why is PayPal a scam?
I’ve started buying thigs on the internet more often lately and am considering PayPal
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
For a few reasons
With eBay, they hit you for fees twice. They only accept PayPal or cash payments in person for local pickups, or credit cards for merchants who have their own credit card terminals. You can’t pay by check or money order or any other online payment systems. Well, you can, but you’re not allowed to say you can and accepting such payments is technically in violation of eBay’s rules.
So they charge you fees for selling something on eBay, skimming a portion there. Then they additionally take out a percentage of the actual payment from PayPal.
Also, PayPal can lock you out of your funds for essentially no reason. Right now, because I went through a stretch of about 5 months where I didn’t sell anything on my eBay account, I fell below minimum sales requirements to have an account that is in eBay’s good standings. So when someone pays me, I have to wait nearly a month before I can actually touch the money. This includes shipping costs, so essentially I have to eat the cost of shipping while I wait for PayPal to release the funds. I’ve got about $2000 just waiting for PayPal to clear right now.
And they have also just frozen tons of people’s funds before for no reason. Things like legitimate businesses and charities even, because of arcane and asinine regulations.
Anyone can put in a claim for no reason on your ebay account too, and they'll freeze it no questions asked for a longass time.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
YES!
And eBay always sides with the buyer. ALWAYS. It doesn’t matter what happens. “I didn’t get my item!” “Well, the post office says you did.” “Well, we’re eBay and we say the buyer gets their money back. Sorry seller!”
I've never sold on eBay, but I've always heard the horror stories from good people who got ripped of by others just wanting free shit.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I don't agree
I can go to ebay and sell MW3 right now for 40 bucks. Paypal takes a little bit and I have to ship it, but I get money. If I go through Amazon, I get credit, and I only get $31 at that. It’s a hassle, but it’s not bad.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Maybe it's just the games I've tried to sell
I rarely get newer stuff and it’s rarely in good condition. Usually I get shit like PS2 games, some of which I can sell on Amazon for like $5-10 but which invariably get me $1 on eBay.
Of course, there are exceptions, but that’s only for rare collectible games (like Chrono Trigger on the SNES or something).
It's weird what games are rare nowadays.
When I first considered getting a PS3, I brought in my list of PS2 and PS1 games, and stuff you’d expect like Splashdown went for like 2 bucks, but a game like Silent Hill 3 was a 7 dollar trade in game. Same with Clock Tower 3, which is weird because I thought you could find those quite easily, but according to them they were rare. I was also surprised that Vagrant Story, even though it was a PS1 game, was a 10 dollar trade in game.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
Soooo.. if I have one....
And yes it’s complete, still has the booklet n everything. It is available as a download on the PSN too btw, which I imagine cuts down its value, but this was when the PS3 was first out too, so I have no idea what the value is now.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
there is a seller market
Where you can sell your own products. I sell my books for the best deal I could get that way
yeah, I agree with the whole fuck gamestop thing
but I havent bought a game from them in quite a while. If I buy used, it’s usually from Amazon, but I also like to rent games and be able to swap them with friends.
The huge problem with it
Is I’d like the ability to sell something once I’m done with it. If you’re charging me 60 bucks for a digital file and I have no chance to recoup that if I didn’t like the game/finished it, I’m not using your system while there are still other options.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Their best bet would be to change the $60 model.
It doesn’t make sense for a lot of games anyways, which is why I never pay it. I like the single player games, but most of them these days are only about 15 or 20 hours of gameplay. $60? No thanks, I’ll wait until it’s $10. However, if they started those shorter games around $20, I’d be much more likely to not only buy more games, but not complain about resale.
Yeah...
Video games, in general, should not be more than $40 unless it’s something that’s truly massive in scope.
I'm always curious how they decide on price points for things
I was listening to the Planet Money podcast today with some guy who developed an iPhone app and was initially selling it for $10, but once he cut the price to $5 his sales increased 400%. I wonder how many other products out there are priced that inefficiently. Games have been roughly 50-60 dollars forever. I think i’d definitely play more games if they weren’t as expensive, but would enough people buy enough additional games to make up for the lost revenue per game?
games like COD and Madden seem to have no problem selling for $60
and they do it every year. The market on less popular games usually levels out after a couple months and you see them sell more in the $30-$40 range and down to about $10-$20 when they are over a year old.
Games have always been priced that way
People don’t remember, but Genesis games cost $50 bucks (and this was 20 years ago). Compared to that $60 for Skyrim or COD is a huge bargain. It’s insane.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
It's Adam Smith at work
The Invisible Hand of the free market finds its most efficient price for a product.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Leave it to the Canucklehead to get the Alanis reference
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I made the reference, it's ok
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Look up her first video, "Too Hot"
That’s how we saw her after You Can’t Do That on Television.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I'd be happier with it if they money they recoup in not letting me resell games and not having print physical media
is reflected in game prices. If both those things are true, they should be able to sell games at a lower price and still make more money, but really they’re just going to end up making more money.
The claim of publishers (this is also true of e-books)
is that there’s not a discount vs. a physical item because most of the costs are in marketing. I am not sure how much I buy this excuse.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Distribution of the physical item is a much larger cost than they claim
The actual cost of manufacturing the physical media isn’t that much, though.
You know that won't happen
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
You're saying you HAVE photoshop and want to learn how to use it?
Or are you using “photoshop” as a generic term for photo editing? If you don’t have photoshop, don’t want to pay for it, and don’t want to do anything illegal, there are free online alternatives. http://pixlr.com/editor/ is a good one. If you HAVE photoshop and just want to learn how to use it, there are a million youtube tutorials for basic functions
Yeah photoshop is expensive
I’ve used Aviary in the past too, that works well
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
i was using it as a generic term for photo editing
but that link looks like it’s a good place for me to start. thanks for the info.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
On my phone
But “you suck at photoshop” is really funny while being really informative. Worth checking out as a tutorial.
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
On my phone
But “you suck at photoshop” is really funny while being really informative. Worth checking out as a tutorial.
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea!
I learned how to double post on
my phone.
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but...
do you know how to post videos to facebook? acquire a weather balloon w/ your reward points?
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
not sure what this facebook thing is
but the kids sure seem to be talking about it…
here's the link
I would say probably not safe for work, but its good and really informative.
http://www.mydamnchannel.com/You_Suck_at_Photoshop/Season_1/1DistortWarpandLayerEffects_1373.aspx
Get "GIMP"
its free and has a large community online to help you learn stuff. It always gets rated as a top alternative to photoshop.
I'd second GIMP as well, if you want some fairly powerful but don't want anything expensive / illegal
but if you do want to spend a little bit for Adobe software, Photoshop Elements is good as well. It has less features, but is fairly easy to use (and Brian S, they’re up to version 10).
it depends on what you are trying to do
If you are looking to “photoshop” things like putting Mark Reynolds eating sunflower seeds in Tiananmen Square or adding a tutu to a picture of Tom Brady, get Photoshop Elements or GIMP. Gimp is more powerful than PSE and is free, but is kind of confusing to get the hang of.
If you are simply looking for a way to organize your photos and make them look better as they are, get Adobe Lightroom.
Most likely totaled my car last night
About 4 blocks from my house the guy in front of me came to a complete stop in the middle of the road – said a squirrel ran out in front of him, but we’re not buying it. Dude was driving a giant tank of a truck (redneck) so his bumped pretty much knocked my bumper off and ground up my hood. Waiting for word now on whether it’s totaled and already envisioning my new Subaru Outback. lol
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
A squirrel!? Sounds more like a tree hugger.
That sucks man, I assume you are okay. Hopefully you can get a new whip.
Frikkin tree huggers not wanting to crush tiny animals with their oversized trucks...
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Why do you think he stopped then if you're "not buying" that it was a squirrel?
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think he was annoyed
that I flashed my lights after he pulled out in front of me with no signal when I was already pretty close to him and there was nobody behind me.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yeah
I think the only way we could have wound up not at fault is if a cop had come and he had gotten a DUI, but even then we might have been at fault being the following car.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
My sister had the unfortunate occurance
to have a guy back his car into her in reverse. He was nice and exchanged insurance and everything. She didn’t call the cops and when she got home she had a call waiting from his insurance company about the incident she had caused by rear-ending their client.
She ended up getting assigned fault because there were no witnesses
and the front of her car struck the back of his car.
calling the cops doesn't always do any sort of magic, either
my GF was rear-ended by some dumbass teenager a few months ago. Luckily(?) my bike rack was on the back of her car at the time, so it destroyed the rack, cracked her spare tire cover (Rav4), and shattered her rear window. It was nearby our apt so she called me and I drove out to check it out. The bike rack caved in the front of the teenager’s old Hyundai Santa Fe and it was steaming a bit and had to be towed away, so that was nice to see.
Even though it was obviously the kids fault – my GF was sitting at a green light in the left-hand turn lane but couldn’t turn due to traffic, and this little shithead just runs into her – his parents told the insurance company that it was my GF’s fault. The cop didn’t assign fault, just took a record of the accident, so no help there. It took over a month for everything to get sorted out, which was a huge pain in the ass.
Lesson: get rich so you can just deal with everything out of pocket and not have to deal with shitty dishonest insurance companies.
FTFY
Lesson: get rich so you can justdeal with everything out of pocket and not have to deal with shitty dishonest insurance companies.do whatever the hell you want
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
My experience with insurance companies has been generally good.
I think it’s just the fact that if you weren’t there, it can be difficult to work out who was really at fault sometimes.
The person I talked to last night
didn’t seem to care one way or another who was at fault.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Insurance is, in general, a scam designed to part you from your money without returning similar benefits
It’s designed to protect the stupid, who would go “Well, I’m not paying that $100 a month in insurance, so I can go spend it!” and then are broke when something happens. As opposed to saving the money and winding up better off than if you hadn’t paid $100 a month for a year so you can have insurance pay the $80 office fee but deny all other fees because it’s a “pre-existing condition” that developed after you got the insurance.
No, I’m not angry or anything.
I sure would appreciate
not having to have 50 thousand dollars saved up on the off hand chance I crash into a BMW. I would never be able to save up that kind of money to have it available when I needed it. One wreck would bankrupt me, once you get into injury liability as well I don’t see a possible way to actually save up enough cushion to protect yourself from the damage resulting in an at-fault accident.
Well, they can't screw you over about pre-existing conditions any more anyway.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't fully go into effect until 2014, I believe
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Also the same year
we get out of Afg.
the O’s win the Series
the president personally delivers the pony he promised me…
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
Just a (possible hot button) question
Are people generally opposed to being in Afg.? I don’t want to be at war with anyone given a choice, but I dont see Afg. being like Iraq. The taliban were very much in power and using Afganistan to run their terrorist organizations. Just wondering how people feel
My take
and keep in mind that my views on foreign policy are a Denis Kucinich/Ron Paul hybrid…
I favoured US military presence in Afg. as a way of preventing further attacks on the US. Now that Bin Laden is dead & whatever remains of al Qaeda is in Pakistan or Yemen, we have no business there.
As nasty as the Taliban are to their own population, they should never be equated with their former partners in al Qaeda or be considered a threat to the west by themselves.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
agreed
I supported being there in the first place, but I can see we need to make our way out. Kind of sucks that the pres. there has already come out to say he would support Pakistan if they were in a war with the US. And I’m not really sure the comment was provoked either.
Personally
I could see why you guys went to Afghanistan. The Iraq thing just felt like one country too far, almost like a “well, since we’re over here already…”
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I feel similarly
One made sense the other did not.
I'm still waiting for Pres. Bush's promise of universally available broadband in 2007...
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
this.
I see alot of this every week. Ive seen a lot of fly by night and online only insurance companies that try to pull alot of shady stuff. Your best bet is always to have an agent to talk to. ( although there are a good many of them that suck too)
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
GF had state farm
you know all those commercials, like a good neighbor state farm is there? Complete bullshit. But I think everyone already knew that.
My parents (and me for another 6 months until i can't be on their policy anymore) have state farm and have always loved it
though our agent is also a family friend, so that probably helps
Dated the daughter of a SF rep while I was in HS
Met me at the door cleaning his shotgun first time I went to pick her up. Yeah, that shoulda been a hint.
Anyway, about a decade ago, SF has an ad campaign where all the local agents have to put a smiling headshot on a billboard with their name and number of your nearest SF agent. I got to drive by it for a year thinking… “Thank GOD I didn’t marry your daughter.”
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
duck, haven't you turned into the "meet them at the door cleaning the shotgun" dad? :p
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's a .22, not a shotgun!!!!!
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
what are you going to shoot a can off the railing to scare him?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
HA!
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Feb 1, 2012 11:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
One well-placed shot.....
My kid ain’t the only one who can shoot in our house….
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
One well placed shot
and you could shoot somebody’s eye out!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
And yes, I keep that pin at my desk
I never point it out, but kids have noticed. :)
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Ahaha
a .22 is deadly enough though. Those little buggers ricochet in your skull.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Geico - as much as I hate their commercials
responded very well when I was t-boned in an intersection.
I've also got Geico
I’ve only been in one accident in the past decade and it was quite clearly not my fault (two other cars got into the real wreck and just got pushed into my car as it was sitting at a stop light). So I’ve not had to deal with assigned blame or anything.
I've had State Farm for a long time
and have no issues. Also, not many claims/incidents, so YMMV.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
Im actually a state farm agent
I suppose it all depends on who yoru agent is..
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
maybe we'll make you her agent
question: my GF’s agent has been supremely unhelpful with anything, and the excuse is always, “You called the 1-800 number before calling me, so now it’s out of my hands.” Is this how it works? Am I just ignorant of how insurance companies operate?
pretty much.
when the claims system has the claim its usually cut and dry. We have no control over the outcome or what they think and we have to FIGHT them to get things to there attention or to find out about investigations usually. Your best bet is to call your agent first because of the personally monthly relationship.
For example: If a regular client of mine comes in and tells me hes had an accident, id get all the info and id clearly talk to the claims agent to establish a rapaport with the claims agent to help establish fault per the situation.
Most people dont know what to say to the insurance companies after an accident because they arent that common. Its all about how the story is interpreted durign that first call.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
do you accept calls at all hours?
What’s a person to do if they get into an accident at 3am? Or even 7:30pm? Just wait until the next day?
Yeah it was 11:30 pm last night
I just called the 800 number. I’m not even sure I have an agent – I’ve done it all online.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
i know a few state farm agents
that have an after hours line. You call the agents number like you normally would and itll go to an 24 hour call center of agents and they will talk with you before you talk to claims. Its called a crc. Customer resource center.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Lesson: Get as much proof as possible all the time
People will just say whatever they can at the scene of the accident to leave things in doubt or to calm you down, like the situation was with you and also with Benhem. Then when they’re not face to face with you they’ll lie their asses off to try to get out of being at fault and paying a higher premium. And if we haven’t learned yet, we should all know by now that when it comes to parents, their children are never ever at fault and they will defend them to the death, laws or proof be damned.
I had to go through a huge thing when I got into an accident about a year ago in Baltimore. I was on a one way street waiting at a red light, and there’s a school at the intersection. All the parents are double parked illegally in no parking areas on either side of me, as is customary with all schools everywhere, because as I stated above when it comes to your kids you don’t have to follow the rules. So there’s one lane of traffic in the middle that I am driving in, and cars illegally parked on either side of me, all going the same way. So the light goes green and I am turning left, and the person illegally parked to the left of me must have just picked her kid up, and pulls straight into traffic, T-boning my driver’s side as I’m turning.
She apologizes profusely and says it’s all her fault and she’ll take all the blame. I took a dozen pictures anyway. We exchange registration info, and her registration is expired. She’s like “Oh don’t worry, it’s all the same info I just don’t have the new card in my wallet.” I insisted on calling her agent and getting the proper info right then and there. Sho nuff when I report the incident, it turns out she is claiming I am at fault. But I had enough proof that her agent took full blame for the accident and paid for everything.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well done
it sucks that we can’t be more trustworthy but people do burn you bad.
In 2007, after 3 weeks of owning my brand new car, some dude gave me the hit and run. I pulled over but luckily somebody followed the dude and wrote down his license plate. The car was a rental but my insurance company eventually found the bastard. I was hoping the police would hit with some sort of charges, but they had no interest.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Yeah I'm fucked
the guy was really eager to not have the cops come (he was pulling away from a bar) which seemed OK with me since I probably would have gotten an at-fault citation, but as far as insurance is concerned I’m definitely at fault.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yeah you're almost always at fault if you hit someone from behind.
Sorry if this is a double post, but I tried to post before and it just disappeared.
Even if it’s the truck’s fault, they’d get OsFan for following too closely. OsFan would have to get the truck driver to admit negligence.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Which he sort of did while we were talking
but I doubt he would do in front of a cop or the insurance company.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Sorry about the car and I hope you’re ok.
I’m completely baffled sometimes at how people are willing to risk an accident just because they’re pissed off.
My wife and I were on the way to pick up some friends (for an O’s game, actually) last year. We were chatting and I admit I kind of spaced out and waited to long at a 4-way stop sign. The guy behind me honked, and I went and then waved in apology. He probably thought I flipped him off, because he then illegally passed us, ran me off the road, and then stopped right in front of us. I wish we’d been able to get the license but I think he realized he was way over the top because he then he went speeding off.
I also wish he’d have stepped out of the car. I’m not a violent person but I was ready for a fight. Of course, being York county he was probably had a gun whereas I drive around unarmed.
people are nuts
I usually just smile and wave when people start getting really angry although I know that tends to not help. lol
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
in PA we get the worse drivers coming into our state
MD (Except CC’ers), DC, NJ, NY. All terrible drivers.
Let's not forget PA drivers themselves
is a PA driver
by Xari0tis on Feb 1, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds like York County
A lot of hicks with truck muscles. The I have fake balls hanging from my truck you must respect me type. Apologies to any CCers who may have chosen that particular vehicle decoration.
Everyone that was here and has posted before owns a hatchback
welcome to CC!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I missed that convo but I drive a hatchback
My 6 foot 1 friend was not a fan of riding in it for 2 and a half hours on the way to philly.
That must be a tiny hatchback
I’m 6’1 and there’s plenty of room in mine. By best bud is 6’4 and it works for him too
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Well, I said I have an Impreza,
but I have the sedan.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
You insulting my truckballs? Wanna fight?
(Disclaimer: BrianS drives a Neon has not fought anyone since 1988)
haha for some reason my wife and I always get stuck behind one of those trucks
and it always takes her like 5 minutes to notice it and then she freaks out.
I was driveing in texas with my mom who was 85 at the time
When she asked me what is that hanging from that man;s trailer hitch ?, when i told her she said i thought i had seen everything this world could show me but i guess i was wrong.
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Its a pretty universal fact that everyone thinks everyone else is a terrible driver
I drive in all those states pretty regularly, and I can’t say i’ve noticed any of them being noticeable worse than the others
by kba26 on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
I have driven on 83 in MD a ton and on the PA turnpike a ton. Never had any issues with ppl cutting me off for no reason or consistently changing lanes with no light on the turnpike.
When I commuted to Aberdeen everyday I hated driving in MD.
It doesn't really make sense to extrapolate your own experience into a generalization.
You are one of millions and million of drivers in the states you mentioned. Your driving experience constitutes a tiny, tiny percentage of the entire driving experience. Even if one driver saw bad driving behavior every day, it wouldn’t come close to being evidence that everyone else in those states is a terrible driver.
Well I was exaggerating of course, this is the Internet
but all of my friends who are from those states are terrible drivers as well.
But you are right, I am going off of my personal experience.
That's fair... I have a friend from out west who constantly talks about how "nobody on the east coast knows how to drive"
It gets bothersome.
I don't think it's a state thing
people who say “I’m a good driver and everyone else sucks” usually really mean “I like to drive fast and everyone else drives too slow.”
I’m a good driver and everyone else sucks
There, I said it.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Believe what you want
but when I drive in PA the highway is perfectly find place to be. When I go into Maryland ppl drive 10-15 MPH higher speed and are way more aggressive. Most ppl I know would say the same thing.
perhaps it's an issue with the roads themselves
PA has no shoulder, little to no merge areas when joining the highway, no center median. Maybe they’re just effective at calming traffic.
Probably something to do with traffic
People in MD have to drive in heavy traffic traffic, which i think makes them really aggressive. I don’t know why everyone drives so fast though, I tend to do it too. Maybe it’s because we’re sitting on the road so much, everyone starts to get impatient.
@sibsinExile
The big thing for me
having come from Maryland and now living in PA is that PA has the worst road construction. There are absolutely no merge lanes so it conditions everyone to drive in the left lane and to stop at all yield signs. When they make it to other states it drives people nuts.
#1 will always be Detroit.
Worst roads I’ve ever driven on, and i’ve gone on a lot.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
anecdotes
I think there’s a bridge on 116 between Hanover and Gettysburg that is going to be replaced soon. There was an article about it in the Evening Sun that said it was found to be structurally unsound… ten years ago. And they’re just now replacing it.
There was also a bridge over 15 south of Gettysburg that was recently replaced, and what sped up that process is because every time a car would drive over the bridge, pieces of concrete would fall onto 15 below it.
If its anything like what's going on in York County
They will tear down the bridge, then wait a year before starting to rebuild it.
The bridge next to my church is out, granted the detour isn’t bad, it made it harder for my wedding guests to find last April. Since then there has been absolutely no movement to start rebuilding it, and once they start it’s likely to be a year before it’s completed.
The excuse we were given is that it was more cost effective to tear them all down at once, but they do not have the resource to rebuild them in a timely fashion, so it’s annoying.
So doesn't it make as much sense to say PA drivers drive too defensively?
You’re saying every state around PA has bad drivers and that PA is the only good one. Sounds more like PA has the bad drivers and you are just used to that.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I would say they drive defensively
because they have 1.5 seconds to get up to the full speed of traffic or get run over by a mack truck, and they are used to driving through cattle shutes with 2 inches between the car and a cement wall.
If driving 80 MPH in traffic and not using signals when changing lanes
And driving aggressively makes you a good driver then MD drivers are the best.
effing PAers and NJers make my driving time miserable here in DE.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry about the car
but it sounds like you were too close and/or inattentive. The stopping distance on a passenger vehicle ought to be a lot shorter than on a monster truck traveling at the same speed, so you should have been able to come to a stop behind him if you were leaving a safe distance, squirrel or no.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
Yup
I was too close – due in equal parts to him pulling out in front of me with not much room to begin with and my annoyance that he did that.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I feel ya
Getting pissed off is never happy news at the wheel, but it happens to me all the time. Thankfully, I’ve been lucky with the results.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
im an insurance agent.
when you talk to claims, explain the situation fully, squirrel and all. Ive seen many a Case like this go the way you dont expect.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm
I mean I explained it to the woman last night and after I was done she made it seem like it was a done deal that we were the at-fault party and our insurance would be covering his damages. Is there more to it than that?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Don't they still have to investigate though?
I mean, I know nothing about how insurance companies work, but when I had an accident a number of years ago, I was completely at fault (I even admitted fault) and they still did a full investigation.
usually not.
if they send an adjuster out id talk to him aboutit as well. they usually make up there minds from that opening interview. They will more than likely conduct an investigation and reaffirm what they think but if they made it fairly clear that they thought you were at fault, then thats that.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
How big of a deal is fault?
I asked how this would impact my rates going forward and she said couldn’t say for certain just yet but she thought if I didn’t have any more accidents/moving violations that it likely wouldn’t have any impact. This is my first accident or moving violation that would impact insurance in the 13 years I’ve been driving.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
usually they say that thing as a cop out to protect themselves
Usually in terms of rates in you have an accident free discount or a good driving discount itll be removed for your first accident. So id look at your bill or dec page and see if you have any of those because whatever monetary amount you were saving will be added to your bill. If you dont have any, the last figures i saw were 15% increase for most of md.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ah that makes sense
I am currently getting a 5 year good driver discount and if that goes away it would be a 13% increase. Annoying, but not the end of the world. If this accident weren’t my fault you think I’d be able to keep that discount?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
yeah you would 100% keep it.
non at fault accidents and comprehensive accidents have no negative reflection on your policy/premium.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm
I guess it’s worth it to push a little more then.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
definitely.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
sorry to hear that
glad to hear no one was hurt.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I'm just glad the squirrel wasn't harmed.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You win today's OT
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
What does everyone make of the fact that Adam Jones hasn't settled with the Orioles yet?
Do you think it’s indicative of work on a long term deal? Or do you think it’s just a sign that either Jones or the Orioles is sticking closely to their guns about their initial contract request?
DD is likely taking it to arbitration.
Not sure it means anything more.
Maybe it means
“You STILL can’t lay off sliders in the dirt?”
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's the other way round.
When he doesn’t swing at those pitches, he gets hot.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
My point being
it really is night and day. Obviously if he doesn’t see the ball well and swings at crap pitches and when he is seeing well he doesn’t swing at them.
But the difference between good and bad is too large. I just don’t understand how you can be an All World player one day and then turn into a batter that gets fooled by a simple slider that is 1 foot outside.
Absolutely.
I wish there were a way of knowing if he’s improving or not.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Do you know of a site that has at bat logs that include pitch type?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I looked there. There's no way of knowing.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well just because I am one there, this seems weird to me.
% of total pitches (outside strike zone) that AJ swings at by year
2008-36%
2009-35.2%
2010-40.6%
2011-44%!!!
So almost half the pitches outside the strike zone he swings at. That can’t be good. Compare that to Pujols’ 21.4% over his career.
Look at the next table.
It shows plate discipline according to Pitchf/x. I don’t know why there should be a difference between the tables but the second one is better news.
Also, you have to put your stats into context. It’s still high but the league average is also going up.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Below average.
Ocontact% = 63.7%. 4.4% lower than average
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
But getting better
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Doctor Jones & Mister Hyde?
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
90 percent of baseball
is 100% mental.
Or something like that.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think its
half of baseball is physical, and other half is 90% mental
Also
You can’t hit & think at the same time.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
I hope it's a long term contact
He’ll be cheaper now than when he has his breakout year this year
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have a lot more confidence in a Jones breakout year than most of this site, I think.
I was really looking for one last year and after it didn’t come I guess I was bummed out on Jones.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I am going to have to go ahead and say that I am soured on long term deals
Even though markakis seemed like a good deal at the time his current developments have me depressed enough to say no to a long term deal in the hopes that jones breaks out.
when he hits 40 home runs this year
you are going to be kicking yourself :)
If Adam Jones hits 40 home runs I will be ecstatic.
I don’t feel that it’s very likely he will, however.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
yeah... but what if he strikes out 150 times doing so???
More realistically, I would be ecstatic if Jones walked 40 times
I know I haven't read moneyball or anything
But I feel like 40 HR would be better than 40 walks.
it was hyperbole
but, yes, 40 homeruns are better than 40 walks. 40 walks is probably a more realistic goal for AJ
I know
Sometimes it’s hard to be a smartass without inflection. But if you could have heard the sounds of my typing, you would have known…
I think they go hand in hand
If he walks 40 times this year, that means he’s seeing the ball well, laying off when he needs to, and (I think) he’ll hit 30+ HR. That said, that would be a huge improvement based on his recent performance.
I also would be happy with 40 walks and 30+ HR
and 150 rbi :)
rbi's aside
He’s got everything he needs to be a great fucking hitter, except patience. If you see his walks go up, everything else will go up with it.
what do you guys think of a 3 year deal for AJ
Buy out one FA year, and give him one more year to turn into the “superstar”. If, by then, he is just what he is now they should prob let him walk
To get 150 rbi
the 1&2 hitters would have to have amazing years. I don’t see that happening unless BRob magically is healed and Kakes suddenly reverts to his old “good at baseball” form
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
or andino can just get on base 275 times
from the 9 hole…
I feel like Jones would be less likely to have a mysterious regression such as Markakis.
So I guess it depends on the contract. I have a feeling Jones will want more than we should be willing to pay him.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno. 5/60? Something. Which I don't think he'd take.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
you don't think he would take that?
I thought Granderson signed for less then that, no? I’m trying to think of what comparable players are out there (when they are/were 26)
He'll hit FA the same age as Aaron Rowand.
And I’ve been saying for awhile that Rowand is a good comp for Jones.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
maybe
but not based on age. Look what Rowand did through 25. Nothing.
OPS+ of 94
I wouldn’t say that’s nothing for a CF. Better than Jones.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Rowand through Age 25 – 94 OPS+ (covered his first 3 seasons)
I took at quick look at Jones’ first 4 seasons and his OPS+ is 92. But his OPS+ through age 25 is better. Overall point, you said Rowand did nothing through age 25. I don’t agree. 94 OPS+ isn’t shabby for a CF.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That depends on his defense
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
He's just as good as fielder than Jones (maybe better depending on how look at defensive metrics).
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
hasn't Jones' OPS+ been over 100
for the past 3 years? I just mean that by age 25 Rowand had less homers, steals, hits, last year alone than Rowand had in his carrer to that point. So I think that kinda factors into salary a bit more, as does the GG and AS…I think he doesn’t compare as well because he is just better younger. But I see where you are coming from.
that's what happens when I try and write a post on a conference call
I’m confusing myself reading it…
hasn’t Jones’ OPS+ been over 100 for the past 3 years?
Yes. I agree that Jones did more at a younger age. But Rowand did well too through 25. And Rowand’s fourth season was worth 5.9 fWAR (age 26). I believe this past season was Jones’ fourth season and his fWAR 2.9. Jones will be 26 this upcoming season so maybe he’ll have a breakout season like Rowand. Rowand’s late 20s were generally very productive. He had a nice age 31 season before falling off a cliff. I think that’s a good comp to view Jones. Lock up his late 20s, but don’t go past age 31.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Yep
Totally agree. I feel like because he has played for a while people are starting to write him off, yet he’s just coming into the age when hitters usually make a big jump. Imagine him making as big a jump as Rowand did between 25 and 26…
and
If he does that and we don’t have him already locked up in a long term deal, we’re going to pay alot more for him…
well
He’s only 26 right? In the next 4 years, with the physical tools he has, he can really become a top OF. And he had carrer highs in doubles, homers, rbi, steals, slugging and ops last year, so he at least seems like he’s improving. Even if it was a small improvement, I look for a big leap this year.
He may be maxed out on where his tools will take him until he learns to lay off more junk pitches.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt
But these are the years hitters seem to mature. Plus, last year Vlad was probably egging him on to swing at everything…
They could settle 5 minutes before they walk into the room, so the fact that they haven't yet doesn't really matter.
I think I was reading yesterday that Guts’ hearing was set for the 6th and the other two were the 15th and 16th (I forget whose was when exactly). So still two weeks.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Is Guts worth 10 mil?
I think that’s what he was asking for and we countered with in the 7 range, which I think is more reasonable.
Yeah... if I was Guts I would want to settle.
I think if it came to a hearing with Jones, though, he’d have the stronger case.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think they are working on an extension although DD goes to arb. quite often IIRC
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
MacPhail liked to avoid Arb. DD has a history of going to arb.
Boston has not gone to Arb since DD was GM there, not certain of stats for how often, but he’s been successful there iirc.
DD will probably go all Milbury-on-Soderstrom
and make em cry by saying how bad they are.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
So that is why he is hiring all of this middling talent
so he can get his jollies off on publicly humiliating them in arbitration. haha. Use old- school stats to show why they aren’t worth anything and then use new stats to justify the pick-up. Shrewd!
in Jones' case, DD knows he has a lockdown win given Adam's redonk request.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Watched Moneyball last night
got a kick out of seeing old footage of DD putting a Red Sox jersey on Damon.
For all the talk about how our minor league system is bare
That article makes it seem pretty promising. I get there is not alot of depth, but with the young core, and that big if of pitchers coming along…i think I’m getting excited for the future.
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm also like this in april
Early april…
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
its one of the most addicting mobile games ive ever played
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I hit the 5 million mark last night.
Now to challenge the 10m beast.
I suppose I could just dump all my coins into resurrections every 1000m, but meh. That feels like cheating.
same here.
2.5 is the closest ive gotten…
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
broke 500k last night
I’m still not very good, but my multiplier is up to 32 now, so that helps me out.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I did it by making sure I never went too fast
Tripping over a root or ‘turning’ into a side wall will slow you down, at the cost of losing your meter on the left.
Also, a relative crap load of luck.
I'm still topping out at around 80k
all the other power ups make sense, but what is invisibility supposed to do?
its sort of like ghost mode
allows you to walk through the trees and fire and creates a platform for your to walk over the gaps
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
No
you just won’t get hurt by the trees and you can’t fall on the ledges. you still have to turn though.
@sibsinExile
agreed
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking it let you avoid the things that are chasing you when you stumble or something
which didn’t seem all that useful
Jeff Sullivan made fun of Blake Davis and his SSS UZR awfulness.
Link
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I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
That is awesome
I love gifs.
I looked up the box score from that game. O’s had no chance to win with the lineup they put out there.
Something to ponder of a boring off-season day
Right after Bobby Thompson hit his HR in ‘51, someone took a picture of Jackie Robinson still standing at his position, watching to make sure Thompson & the runners ahead of him didn’t miss a base.
Now suppose this happened & Robinson called for the ball. Would he need THE ball that Thompson hit? Or would any ball do?
Something similar in ‘76, when Chris Chambliss clearly didn’t touch home vs the Royals. But in his case the cause was sufficient to let it slide.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
Following up on a thread from yesterday:
Is there interest in forming a CC keeper (dynasty) fantasy baseball league?
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
And I'll own up to it...
I have a general idea how fantasy sports work, but no clue what a “keeper league” might mean. A brief explanation would be helpful (at least to me).
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
it can vary based on how its set up
but essentially its a fantasy league with a memory, you don’t reset at the beginning of each season. In some manner, you can keep some of the players you had the previous year.
I don't like making frivolous Fanposts.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think its frivolous
and I’d be interested. A fanpost will let us keep all the relevant discussion in one place
OK then.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
yes.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
sha fo
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
(Potential) keeper league Fanpost is up.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
By the way...
The Lacuna Coil show was helluva awesome.
Ram’s Head Live is a ridiculously nice place. I am definitely going there again in the near future.
I'm glad you liked it!
I love that place. And you couldn’t have asked for better weather.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no shit
Of course, I got there and there were no long ass lines forcing you to stand outside and wait. Nope, SHOOP, right into the club a half-hour before the opening band took the stage. Pretty fucking sweet.
i love the rams head and the ottobar for that
always had good experiences at both.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ottobar would be the best if it didn't have that f'in pole right in front of the stage
Still love it, great small venue
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
i saw sage francis and b.dolan there last year
and they did everything they could to avoid being behind or near that pole..it is a nuisance
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Saw this write up on Chris Tillman when I was searching for AJ data.
Heat Maps are great ways of representing data. I apologize if it was already discussed.
hadn't seen this
Thanks for sharing. I mean sort-of, now I’m a little depressed.
Figured at least you'd read it.
Since you are bored an all. Everyone else just goes around picking fights and talking about behavior of days gone by.
question for a MOD or anybody else that FanPosts
is there a way that I can embed an image in a FanPost that I have saved on my computer? right now the only way I can see to embed an image is by using a URL, so I’m trying to see if there is anyway else I can include one. Thanks.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Upload it to a site (I use tinypic) and use the URL.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Imgur is best
they dont’ resize your image or make you sign up or anything.
Tommy hunter still sucks!
if he walks a decreasing amount, like he has, and has an alright GB rate, I dont care
WHIP fluxuates, and it hasn’t been nailed to a skill. You are also including his TB years, in which his WHIP was more awful. He is a good player who looks like he could still be improving
don't all stats fluctuate?
I think WHIP is a very telling stat. WHIP is “nailed” to how many batters you get out vs how many you let on base. To me, that defines a pitcher’s job. Get outs.
And yes, I included his years in the AL East, where he put a shit-ton of runners on base. Boston is planning on bringing him back to the ALE and expecting different results.
I’d be pissed if we gave him 4 years. They can have him.
some stay more stagnant, which indicates more reliance on the skill of the player
There are so many factors beyond the player that go into WHIP, just like ERA. So I use it in the same way as ERA. Obviously it matters, but take it with a grain of salt.
only real problem with whip
is that it puts what the defense does on the pitcher’s shoulders. If two pitchers have exactly X talent, but then one of them plays in front of the best defense and the other the worst defense, their whips will look very different.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
what stat would be a better measure of a pitcher's talent?
isolating a single player’s contribution is always difficult in a team sport, I know. But I’d think the effect of defense is relatively minimal in calculation of WHIP, compared to the pitcher’s contribution (though I do not have any time or resources to investigate such a thing).
That's what FIP and xFIP are for.
Fielding Independant Pitching
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
I've been meaning for a while to learn more about these
Sounds interesting. I’d like to see how they take fielding out of the equation.
They're based on plays that don't involve fielders
Walks, strike outs, home runs, and ground balls vs fly balls vs line drives and the expected outcomes of those.
Contact%, K/9, BB/9, SwStr%, GB%
all more isolated skill stats. In all of which Edwin doesn’t look that bad
fair enough
they’re all more isolated to the pitcher. But they’re also more difficult to make sense of. Too many variables. Personally, I’d like a more complete statistic(maybe FIP is where I should be looking as mentioned above). Not a bunch of them that tell small pieces of the story.
so i started writing a serious piece about the Orioles bullpen yesterday
and it slowly transitioned in to the first bit of satirical writing i’ve ever done.
http://www.camdenchat.com/2012/2/1/2763717/the-bullpen-baltimore
please go over and check it out, and hopefully laugh at least once while reading it.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
The Tom Brady talk is awful
ESPN needs to just collectively do him already. Like OMG, he was drafted in the sixth round, didn’t ya know! He has it so hard, losing 1 game out of 19. poor Tom.
Yeah screw that
I’ve been trying as hard as I can to avoid ESPN for the past week and a half. It’s nearly impossible though. And now they’re turning Peyton Manning into fucking Brett Favre where they have to bring up complete speculation about him EVERY DAY
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's so bad dude
Soooo bad. Peyton finally sat down to do an ESPN interview after a month of them bringing up rumors about him every day with no proof or quotes from he or the Colts front office whatsoever, and they’re just asking him the most dramatic questions possible. And you can tell he’s incredibly annoyed but he knows how the game is played, so he just keeps giving the most PC answers possible without actually answering anything. So in effect no relevant information is exchanged in the entire interview.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
depends
are you talking about actively watching it or having it on while you’re at the gym? when I’m at the gym it’s hard to avoid without being a dick and changing the TV’s to something else. but personally, I rarely ever watch ESPN when I’m at home anymore outside college football and Monday Night Football. I hate watching Sportscenter and any other produced show they air because usually by the time the show airs, I’ve already seen the highlights or read about the stories online during the day. it’s all just redundant information by that point.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
i'm actually on a good gym kick right now
although i have to wear a splint on my finger for the next couple of weeks so that’ll make things interesting with weight lifting
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
My YMCA has like 6 screens
and you have to plug in headphones into the exercise machine to hear the sound of whichever channel you choose. Kinda sweet. Too bad I don’t work out at all.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
There's this
And the fact that it’s what people are talkin about at the water cooler or wherever else. And I do like watching it when i get home from work to see stuff like Blake Griffin’s dunk the other day. There’s not exactly a lot of quality programming on right after work. I’ll usually flip back and forth between ESPN and whatever reruns are on somewhere else.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not listening to ESPN, not watching the game Sunday
My kid’s JV team is gonna practice Sunday with no coaches to stay legal at a field out of town. I’ll be plenty busy while the rest of you are watching that 5+ hour pre-game show.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Since someone else already brought up football...
Rumors are swirling about Peyton and the Redskins. Now I’ve seen a whole lot of Manning hate on here (for both Mannings). How would you guys feel about signing him? Would you fall right in line and love him, or would their be lingering dislike? Would you rather have a healthy Peyton for 2-3 years or take a chance on RG3?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
It's a moot question
There won’t be a healthy Peyton. (baseless speculation)
Tommy hunter still sucks!
I'd rather take a chance on RG3
Simply because I’d rather a “home grown” talent leads the team to glory than a guy who was great somewhere else and came here at the tail end of his career.
I don’t dislike Manning, though, and if he came here I believe the team would improve by several wins.
I would hate it
However, it has nothing to do with my personal feelings about Peyton who I don’t find nearly as annoying as his brother. I think it’s just another sacrifice the future for a shot at the present that doesn’t really exist. They need a better line, better receivers, better dbs, and a better kicker – peyton manning doesn’t solve any of those problems and he might start being shitty soon if he’s even healthy. He’s obviously better than McNab, but this is just a variation on that stupid move.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Oh I'm sure he would make everybody better
but unless they are decent to start he can’t make them a super bowl contender which is what we all want right? I’m sure if he were healthy he could get them into the playoffs, but without dramatic improvements elsewhere I don’t see them winning any playoff games (although the Giants have shown that if you get in anything can happen – had to dave…).
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Right
I don’t think he’d lead them to a Super Bowl win within the time he’d still be good enough to do so, because the rest of the team isn’t good enough.
Just as a thought experiment
Do you think that if the colts had Manning this year, they might have made the playoffs?
That's really tough to say
I mean, the Colts went 2-14, so obviously the Skins looked better. But the Colts whole system is based around Peyton. Thinking anyone could step in and do what he did is ridiculous. The same way, you can’t just plug Peyton into the Redskins current system and expect him to be elite.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd say they are clearly better
The Colts without Manning are terrible.
I also think if he’d been healthy this year, they would have made the playoffs at 10-6 and been bounced in the first game.
Well, not necessarily
Different systems and all, but yeah. In general, Redskins + Manning > Colts + Manning last year.
Neither of this means either hypothetical team would be Super Bowl bound.
Ya gotta be in it to win it!
Ha, at this point I’m pretty much over all the hate anyway. It bothered me, but now I get to watch my team in the Super Bowl in 5 days. What do I care what other people think?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 1, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya gotta be in it to win it...
and have helmet catches, successful hail mary’s, multiple muffed punts, early whistles that prevent turnovers, etc!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Counter argument:
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is that a counter argument? They should have just put the helmet catch on the ring.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I don't feel like arguing, that's how
but it isn’t like he caught it with his helmet. He couldn’t hang on because David Tyree is a horrible WR, but he caught it with his hands.
There’s a frame by frame here that shows what I’m talking about. But again, I’m not trying to argue. You can look at it however you want.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Oh I forgot that the second you touch it it's catch
before going to the ground.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No you have to secure it
people do that against their chests, shoulders, sides… it just looks way cooler doing it against a helmet. But if that’s Plax it doesn’t leave his hands.
Regardless, I’m glad it happened the way it did. It’s one of my favorite sports memories of all time. That and 2131 make me smile every time I think about them.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah helmet catches happen all the time - totally normal not lucky at all!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
what point are you trying to make?
other than being THAT annoying Redskins fan?
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
by Gamecock24 on Feb 1, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That it was lucky as fuck!
Is it not obvious?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
nobody has debated the fact that is was lucky
you just can’t seem to move past that
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
he said that players trap catches against different parts of their bodies on a regular basis
but that in this case it happened to be his helmet and it looked a lot cooler because of that
he also agreed with you when you said that a player has to secure the ball when it’s a catch.
now you’re just kind of arguing with yourself that the Helmet Catch was a lucky play.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
lol
well it would have been over 4 comments ago if not for your input, no?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
FTFY
don’t fightother people’sbattles, especiallyagaisnt OF21
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
heh, my brother collected Groo comics when I was kid.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
There's my biggest fan.
Always good for a pot shot whenever anybody else starts complaining.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I just don’t understand why you won’t see any legitimacy in what Dave says. Yes, that opinion does not agree with you, but I think this a matter which can hold multiple opinions. No matter what Dave was going to say, you weren’t going to grant any legitimacy to it.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Overall,
I guess what I’m saying is that Dave has a different opinion. Why constantly hound him until he agrees with you?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
And what I just don't understand
is why you always feel the need to get involved and help me understand the things I’m not understanding?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm not trying to get you to understand anything.
That’s not what I said. If anything, I asked something to get to understand you better.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
And why do you always feel the need to do that?
Every time I have a discussion with anybody I may as well just set a timer counting down until birdman chimes in with his “don’t bother arguing with of21 because he doesn’t listen to anything you say” or something similar.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Like I said,
I’m just trying to understand you better…. no malicious intent here.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
In this specific instance
is it really hard to figure out what I want? I’d like for a Giants fan to admit that it was an absurdly lucky play rather than say that receivers trap the ball against all different parts of their bodies all the time.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
well, I don’t understand why it’s so important that “a Giants fan admit that it was an absurdly lucky play,” but whatever.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Why is anything "so important"?
Do you think I’m sitting at home going “man I wish dave would just admit it!” every day and night? It’s a discussion on a blog – is anything “so important”?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
That's not the point
I thought maybe Dave ran over your dog or something. You think he symbolizes snotty Giants fan so you want to knock him down… or whatever. I just don’t get the relentless need to be acknowledged as right.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
What comment of mine made you think he ran over my dog?
It was a 4-5 comment light hearted back and forth until you and gamecock got involved.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
just speculating off the top of my head
like I’ve said, I was just trying to understand you. If Dave ran over your dog, then I could at least understand your relentless hounding of him. This is just an example. I’m not saying you actually ran over Dave’s dog.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That's some strange speculation
to assume that because we exchanged 4-5 normal sports shit-talking comments that he ran over my dog or that I was “relentlessly hounding him”.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
well, yes, it is strange.
and I find it strange that you relentless hound dave. besides his views on bruce springsteen, i generally find him to be a friendly guy.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
by birdman on Feb 1, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol I'm done with this shit
you’re being ridiculous now and have turned a 4-5 comment light hearted conversation into a very annoying one with tons of comments all the way over to the right.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I was just trying to understand you.
This is a little disingenuous. You didn’t start by trying to understand O’sFan21. You started by piling on.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
well,
I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m not trying to pile it on at all. If you don’t believe me, that’s cool.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
your first comment
was, “challenged…. listened to…..”.
I don’t see any way you can argue that you were trying to understand O’sFan with that comment.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
that is correct,
in that statement, I’m was noting a behavioral pattern. But I am not being disingenious when I say I am trying to understand him.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
an i'm not being disingenuous
when i tell you that “noting a behavioral pattern” that builds on a statement someone else has just made is the very definition of “piling on.”
I don’t see how it leads to understanding to repeatedly air out what you perceive as someone else’s flaws.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
well, i do try to understand people.
I am a sociologist!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
as am i
well, i have a degree in it, anyway.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
fish pump!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I took "sociology of media and popular culture"
because it was supposed to be easy and that was the semester the professor figured out that everybody thought it was easy and made it hard as balls.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Okay
OsFan, no one is ever going to automatically assume that anything you say is lighthearted on this blog. That ship sailed a long time ago.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just think it's funny
that it’s rarely the person I’m actually talking with, but some random observer that makes a big deal out of it. Do you see dave here bitching about me? No it’s birdman and gamecock out of nowhere.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Well,
As Z noted above, I can see how my first comment didn’t come off well. That’s my bad. But I wasn’t being disgenious or snarky with all of my follow up comments. You will keep on with someone until they agree with you and you’ll pursue this much vigor. I don’t get why you do this, but whatever. I’m sure you don’t care nor should you.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
As opposed to what you're doing with me now...
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I found it funny that you said this
You will keep on with someone until they agree with you and you’ll pursue this much vigor. I don’t get why you do this, but whatever.
While doing precisely that.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
We're arguing?
What is that we’re arguing about? I merely asked a question. You don’t want to answer it. There’s no argument!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Who said we're arguing.
But you’re certainly pursuing me with a lot of vigor.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
You are last person that I want to pursue with vigor!
That said, I’ve gotta nothing against you dude. Seriously. Yes, I find that you argumentative to the point where I don’t quite get it. But hey, in my younger days, I certainly had the same streak. Now I’m old as fuck, I’ve mellowed. But I’m trying to shit on you. If you’re ever in SoCal, hit me up because I would happy to have a beer with you.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
But I'm NOT trying to shit on you!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
yeah you've definitely outgrown that! lol
And obviously I harbor no ill will toward you and would love to grab a beer at some point either on this coast or yours although preferably yours.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
and if you bring smokes,
you’ll be even cooler!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Oh yeah,
I’ve taught Sociology of Pop Culture. I can make it hard as shit. I threw in some Pierre Bourdieu and Adorno and Horkheimer. Shit ain’t easy to read.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
This isn't the first time he has tried to prove luck beyond a reasonable doubt
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
They are?
How is it absurdly lucky if a receiver runs a great route, creates a cushion in the coverage, and the QB puts it right in his hands? How is it lucky when JPP breaks through the line and blocks a field goal?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Easy
The receiver didn’t slip. The ball didn’t drop off his hands. The defense called a coverage that allowed him to do it. The pass protection held up. If it’s not great, it’s routine.
I also wouldn’t call a simple completion (even for a touchdown) a great play unless there was some sort of extraneous circumstances that caused it to be exceptional.
And JPP blocking a field goal is the definition of lucky. He may be better at it than most people, but it’s still luck, else he’d be able to do it far more often.
How about Eli escaping almost a sure sack.
That wasn’t luck.
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Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say it definitely was
If it wasn’t luck, he’d be able to do it more often. Since he doesn’t do it more often, it must have been unusual. Ergo, it must have involved a fair share of luck.
I guess we just view luck differently
I don’t view it expected results occur. I didn’t say anything about a defense calling a coverage that allowed anybody to do anything.
How is it lucky if he’s faster/stronger than the guys blocking him? That’s not luck.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No, it's not
But unless he can do it consistently, then it implies that luck is involved. The less he is able to do it (field goals go unblocked against the Giants far more than they go blocked) the more luck is involved in it actually happening. Lots of things have to go right for him to block a kick. When they do, he blocks one, and was thus lucky (even if his skills lower the amount of luck he requires).
he can and does do it consistently
he blocks more than anybody in the league no?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Sure, he can do it more often
That doesn’t mean he does it consistently enough where luck is not a major factor. It’s an incredibly difficult thing to do. He’s obviously good at doing it. That does not mean luck is not involved every time it happens, else he would be able to block every field goal barring exceptional circumstances.
I don't understand
there are lots of things in sports that are very difficult and so they don’t happen often, but if somebody does them more than anybody else he’s better at them than everybody else – he’s not just getting lucky more than anybody else.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Ok, let me explain it simply
If an event has a 10% chance of happening, then when it happens, it was lucky that it happened. If a person has skills to make it happen at 15%, they are still lucky when it actually occurs, even though they are better at making it happen.
He’s not JUST getting lucky more often, he’s simply improved the odds of getting lucky. He knows that one of the Powerball numbers is going to be 16, but he still needs to hit the other numbers in order to win the jackpot. It doesn’t mean that when the other numbers hit that he has not gotten lucky.
Ok
you and I just view luck totally differently.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Rate of occasion is not the only thing that plays into luck
if the rate of occasion is repeatable with skill and practice I don’t believe it is lucky.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The two things are not mutually exclusive
He can still be better at something than anyone else and still be lucky to have things go his way.
The top poker players win more often than other people. They still must be lucky in order to win.
But baseball and football are not poker
In poker on every single hand there is the change that you play it perfectly, the other guy play it horribly, and he still wins. Nothing unusual or abnormal has to happen for that to occur. In baseball and football that doesn’t happen – if you play it perfectly and the other guy plays it horribly you’re going to come out ahead unless something very unusual happens. When THAT unusual event happens that person or team that benefits from it is lucky. When what is supposed to happen happens it’s not lucky.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The same thing happens in poker
You can play it perfectly, the other guy can play it horribly, and you only lose when something abnormal happens like a guy hitting a 3 outer on the river.
You can play it perfectly in football, and the other guy can play it horribly, and you only lose when something abnormal happens, like a guy making a catch against his helmet.
But that's NOT abnormal in poker
that’s the fundamental aspect of the game – that some of it still left up to the chance of the cards on the table. That fact is present in every single hand ever played. There is no aspect like that in baseball or football totally out of either team’s control unless the refs or fans fuck up the game and that is very much an abnormal occurring. And your point about football is true and has been my point all along – that when something like that happens it’s luck – something like blocking fieldgoals because you’re better at it than everybody else is not.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
What's the equivalent to the flip of a card in football?
Something that neither team controls that happens in every single game and determines a winner and loser. I don’t believe it exists.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Being able to control things does not eliminate luck
Randomness exists in the universe. I can control how I flip a coin and maybe figure out how to make it land on heads 60% of the time, but it’s still lucky when I get it to land on heads 10 times in a row.
Similarly, Jason Pierre Paul can figure out how to make it so he can beat his man and block a kick more than a random rusher on the field. It is still highly unlikely that he does so and is thus a function of luck when he does.
If you can control them then it's not luck in my opinion.
Although if you can control the lottery I’ll gladly give you money for tickets in exchange for a percentage of the winnings.
Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one’s own actions.
I think that’s pretty much the accepted definition of luck, so by that definition JPP’s domination of the line resulting in more blocked FGs – not luck, but the flip of a card – luck.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
That's one of the dictionary definitions, sure
But when used in the context of sports, luck is typically meant to mean randomness. Like why we say a pitcher who allows a lot of balls in play but few hits is considered lucky. Because even if he can influence the chances of them being hits, he’s still lucky that they aren’t, because there’s a bunch of factors working that can cause them to be hits.
In the same way, even though JPP (yeah you know me)’s better than the average player at blocking field goals, he still requires a lot of essentially random things to occur for him to get to the ball and block it. He reduces the amount of luck he needs, but he still requires it.
right - randomness
one guy being able to dominate the other team’s blockers is not randomness – he totally controls the situation and outcome by being faster and stronger. What randomness does he require? None.
The pitcher situation is not true at all unless the pitcher actually is lucky (in that he gives up a lot of line drives and somehow doesn’t give up hits). A groundball pitcher that gets a lot of poor downward contact but doesn’t give up a lot of hits is very much not lucky because he’s creating the shitty contact resulting in outs.
Neither of these situations are comparable to a truly non-controllable flip of a card.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
If there's no randomness involved, why doesn't he block every kick?
Because there’s randomness, such as how well he reads the snap of the ball, if the guy trying to block him has his foot slip because of loose turf and can’t get leverage, if the guys beside them push their own men back far enough so that they don’t prevent him from getting further in, if the kicker is a half-second slow on moving forward at the snap to kick the ball. There are hundreds of variables that are involved in every single play in football. In order for a play to be successful, a certain number of those variables must come into line. And while, yes, a player’s skill is involved in determining how likely it is that those favorable outcomes occur, there is randomness involved. It’s why Jerry Rice sometimes dropped balls, why sometimes Tom Brady goes 14 games without throwing an interception, why Trent Dilfer can have a 96 yard TD pass in the playoffs, and so on and so forth.
It’s not random when they effectively doubleteam him – it’s effective planning and execution – what’s random about that? He doesn’t need somebody’s foot to slip – that would actually be random. Variables all coming together doesn’t imply randomness – it’s just guys doing their jobs better than the other guy.
All those plays that you describe are not luck – it’s not bad luck when Jerry Rice dropped a ball or good luck when Tom Brady doesn’t throw any picks unless actual random uncontrollable things are happening. If the reason for Rice’s drop is a slippage that’s one thing, but great receivers occasionally turn up field or try to make a move before they’ve secured the ball – that’s a mistake on their part having absolutely nothing to do with luck.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
cause it's true?
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
by Gamecock24 on Feb 1, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
OSF21 has some serious ring envy.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I played little league baseball with David Tyree.
I thought it was awesome when he made that catch.
I thought it was less awesome when he talked about his views on gay marriage.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
All marriages should be happy.
What the heck else would you strive for?
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
We shouldn’t bicker and argue of who killed who.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock.
Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert, has just fallen to his death.
I’m not helping my nerd image.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I'm pretty sure it was determined in yesterdays OT
that quoting the Holy Grail is acceptable in all instances, and does not make you a nerd or a hipster unless you do it in an obsessive or ironical way, respectively.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Oh then I'm safe for HG stuff....
I did it for about a month then grew out of it. Nowadays it’s just the odd outburst.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
Good
And at least you picked a fairly obscure line to quote from it instead of saying “It’s only a flesh wound” or something like that.
BRING US A SHRUBBERRY LOZ!!! 1!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
And they'd still be SB champs
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
by duck on Feb 1, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
counter counter argument
We had one of those a long time ago:
It’s nice that you finally caught up with us. And this year, you finally caught up in SB appearances, as well!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I wish i had one of those...
If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. ~Author Unknown
It's history lesson time!
I remember that SB! I was 9 years old.
Of course, if we want to bring up history, the Giants have more championships than the Skins, have been in more championship games, and lead the all time head to head (and by quite a lot).
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
*but by two less after this past year
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Still 91–63–4
of course, those 2 happened in the same year the Giants get a shot at taking an even bigger championship lead while the Skins had their 4th straight bottom of the division finish.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
...
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
...
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, you caught up! YAY!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
And yes, you only have 28 straight wins to go to catch up! YAY!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
but no longer 30
i sleep well knowing the redskins were better than the giants this year. :)
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Ahaha
beat the Giants 2x this year, not better than the Giants.
Again, the O’s swept the Phils in Philly. They were certainly NOT better than them.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
better than the giants twice this year
i think that’s what the scoreboard tells us.
not as good as the giants against other opponents. but definitely better than them when they played each other.
facts is facts.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Take solace in whatever you need to
I’ll be watching my team in the Super Bowl this Sunday. And Westie has coffee to drink while it’s on. :)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 1, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'll be watching them as well.
i’ll be the first to say they earned it. well, that and some luck.
KIDDING
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
This guy?
I doubt he falls to us at pick 32.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 1, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
prediction
Luck burns out and is no longer starting in 5 years.
the hype is just way too hype-y. on such dreams do castles fall.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
And again...
why aren’t pre-Super Bowl championships counted as championships here?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i didn't say "championships"
i said “super bowls”
who cares what those old guys in black and white with leather on their heads did? this is the modern era.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
But you're gonna use your 3 SB championships, the most recent being in 1991, as an argument?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
why not?
i’m talking about the era of merged leagues and super bowls. that’s my prerogative.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
i'm pretty confident super bowl I was broadcast in color.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
as all sports fans do.
yourself included.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Not in this argument
I’m talking ALL TIME BABY
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
seriously?
i truly don’t believe ye olde football is the same as modern football.
that’s me. if i were a giants fan, i’m sure i’d try to point to the 1700s to boldster my argument as well.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Ok, hows this
before the skins won 2x this year, they had lost 9 of the last 10 meetings. Is that recent enough?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
sure.
but then the Skins smoked the Giants. TWICE.
Sweetness.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
hee hee hee
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
PS
i hope you will make it up to Brooklyn when James F buys me a drink upon my return.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
in fact, i'll put some action on Sunday to guarantee it
Giants win: If you come north for that gathering, your drinks are on me all evening.
Pats win: you buy a round for every CCer who shows up.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
FREE DRINKS FOR DAVE
Knock back a couple for me while you’re at it.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'll make sure they're Buzz Beer in your honor
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I think if the Giants win you should have to come to NJ
But I’m a good sport, so I’ll make that deal
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
let's revise:
Giants win: I come to NJ later this year and buy you drinks for an evening
Pats win: you come to Brooklyn and buy CCers a round on a designated night.
Deal?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Deal
as long as I can make it on that designated night. If not though I’ll make it up to you.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
oh, we'll be sure to consult you in its planning. :)
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
But ok, here goes...
All time: Giants have more championships and way more head to head wins
Recent history: The Giants and Skins have the same amount of SB appearances and wins, but the Giants have had ones recently while the Skins haven’t in 20 years. However, the Skins beat the Giants 2x this year.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
right
The Giants and Skins have the same amount of SB appearances and wins, but the Giants have had ones recently while the Skins haven’t in 20 years
two ways to look at that.
- the Skins have sucked recently (true)
- The Giants took an extra two decades to accomplish what the ’Skins did in 1991 (also true).
I of course prefer the latter viewpoint.
If you guys win on Sunday, that breaks the tie, of course, Then it’s five appearances with 4 wins as opposed to 3.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Well sure
But as a 29 year old, I sure do prefer my scenario
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
your adulthood has been filled with giants goodness,
while your childhood was not.
my life is the opposite.
kinda like with the Orioles.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
What?
They won 2 Super Bowls by the time I was 10 (I remember both, though the first just barely). They reached another when I was 18, and won another when I was 24, and now are in one while I’m 29.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i think i forhot how early their first bowls were
I was focusing on the period from 10-24 maybe.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
That's when the O's were "good"
and then when the Devils started winning cups. My sports life has been awesome.
Except the O’s. Fuck those guys.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
it's just the angle I think
that’s…. nah. never mind.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
See birdman, Self Policing works!
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
not at all
i refuse to retire TWSS.
but it should have a higher hurdle for its use than that.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
On a side note,
I’ve noticed that TWSS works better on the Internet. In person, it never seems to go over well. For example, a friend of mine commented, “Your phone is huge.” I said TWSS and he kind of looked at me strangely.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I do not acknowledge the validity of that point in any way.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Everyone knows, the bigger your phone...
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
and self policing ends on 2/1, 4:41 PM PST.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
let me finish, geez
The bigger your phone… the better the quality of streaming video.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
and
The bigger your phone… the more that your phone weighs.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
And the harder it is to get into a pocket.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the size of her pocket
… I mean, YOUR pocket.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Getting Peyton Manning would be a very Redskins thing to do.
Especially if they acquire him and immediately have to pay out the $28 million or whatever. Though it seems more likely he gets cut by the Colts and becomes an FA.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, he's gonna get cut
it’s almost a given. The deal would probably be pretty team friendly (maybe mostly incentives based). The big problem is it’s a band-aid. Is it worth 2-3 years of growth (assuming you think they could land a franchise-type QB in the draft)?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
SI released their first MLB power rankings of the year
we’re only 28th! Take that, Oakland and Houston!
That just means we're finishing 3rd in the (insert this year's "once in a lifetime phenom") sweepstakes
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
"Decoded" is a definite guilty pleasure show for me now.
The Billy the Kid episode last night was interesting as heck, but they never seem to go as far into it as I think they should. Why not do a DNA comparison between who they think is buried at the gravesite and those who are relatives?
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
don't subcommittee s
have to deal with defense funding and shit the public needn’t know? if so I am fine with that
by mdterps0325 on Feb 1, 2012 2:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe occasionally
but the article says these things are almost always open and theres never any issue with filming them
umm...don't want to talk politics
but we have every right to know about defense funding. Since we are paying for it and all.
by dan o'hare on Feb 1, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck that fucking fuck
And I’m fuckin’ stuck with him for a DECADE.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
THREE... HOUR... WAIT for BGE's Customer Service phone line
That’s a new record in my experience. At least they’re doing that think where you give them your # and they will call you back
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions
No outages or anything bad
They did a complete makeover of their website and $$$ is due tomorrow. I went on Monday to pay my bill as per usual at the end of the month and, lo and behold, all account numbers have changed and now I need a linked bank account to pay, which takes a few business days to verify. Apparently I’m not the only one about to be charged a late fee.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I went through the same thing when I tried to pay yesterday
I called their automated payment line. They charged me $1.65 extra but I had no wait time.
Yeah you never have to wait when you call corporations if you're paying them
I’m waiting a call back and you can also email them about the issue and request an extension, it’s on their front page since everyone’s probably doing the same thing as me.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the reminder
I had no idea they changed their site. Thankfully my payment isn’t due until February 10th, so I have time for my bank account to link up.
You'd think somebody would be smart enough to see this giant bottleneck coming.
But then again, BGE has never gotten anything right in my lifetime.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
ah man
bet all my old co-workers are having a grand old time today then
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Gee, when I call my electric co-op out here in the sticks
I get a person in 3 minutes or less.
Then again, they only have 4 customers….
/There, I saved y’all the time on commenting.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Is it still being run by Nikola Tesla?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Bases Ball Stuff
CBS started a series on the worst contracts, and BriBob gets an honorable mention at 2B, the only O listed for catcher/INF.
Brian Roberts, Orioles: Let’s just hope he finds a way to recover from all the post-concussion symptoms for the sake of his quality of life. The Orioles have far bigger problems than the $20 million Roberts will make the next two seasons
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I can see why'd they say it
The contract was good for the O’s when he signed it. How the hell were they supposed to imagine he’d bash himself in the head with the bat and be out for 3 years?
Any “Worse Contracts” list that doesn’t include Barry Zito is shameful.
Bullshit.
It’s not even close to the worst. Maybe only if you look at what’s left on it.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
He did only get an honorable mention.
Worst was this guy:
Worst: Dan Uggla
Remaining contract: 4 years, $52.8 million
Uggla salvaged what could have been an awful 2011 season by getting insanely hot in the second half. He ended with a career-high 36 homers, but that’s about all that looks good, on the whole. He hit .233/.311/.453 with 156 strikeouts, poor defense and a career-low 22 doubles. He’ll be 35 in the final year of his contract.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I feel bad for any team with that contract.
At least B-Rob was consistently good when he signed that contract.
If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. ~Author Unknown
Maybe only if you look at what’s left on it.
Thats exactly how they’re looking at it, all the numbers are expressed in terms of remaining contracts.
I can't believe that guy included contracts that haven't even begun!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
so what?
If by his measure that player is most unlikely to live up to the amount of money he’s being paid, why does it matter if the contract is in the first year or the last?
because the contract might turn out to be a bargain.
not likely but we don’t know at this point.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
any of those contracts in theory could turn out to be a bargain
contracts with less years remaining are easier to project than those with more years, but thats not the same as contracts that have started versus those that have already partially expired
For example
Reyes and Rodriguez both have 6 years remaining on their contracts, and Mauer’s has 7. why is Reyes less likely to be overpaid just because his deal hasn’t started yet?
Because we know Mauer can't peform due to injuries. Same with Morneau.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
OT: Do you want to join the keeper/dynasty league?
You didn’t say in the Fanpost.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
In the case of the ones that already began,
we already they’re not a bargain because they have played at a level which hasn’t justified those contracts. They could make up that value though. With Reyes, he hasn’t earned or not earned a cent of that contract yet. That’s not the case with say Roberts.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
But by extrapolating his recent performance along with aging effects that are well
researched, we can estimate his future preformance with some confidence.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
sure...
I’m not saying Prince is a good contract. But I am saying he hasn’t performed a year on that contract yet so the jury is out.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
You can say the same about any contract.
Maybe A-Roid will turn it around and produce excess value. But probably not.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
But (1) we already know that A-Rod has underperformed to his contract. In other words, unlike Prince, he already has returned less than paid performance. And (2) we know that A-Rod has a degenerative hip condition. His rapid decline is insured at a rate that was not previously known at the time he signed his contract.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
If we can predict/assume/guess/divine a player's future performance
why not before they start a contract? Is the abilty to predict linked to the player’s contract status?
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
If we can predict/assume/guess/divine a player’s future performance
I never said that and I think anybody who reads what I say here knows that I am quite the opposite in believing that we can’t predict future value.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
So maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
I claim that it’s fine that the writer included contracts that haven’t started because I think we can (sort of) predict future performance. If a player’s projected performance is less valuable than his contract by the largest margin, that is the current worst contract. It might change.
I also understand you disagree with this.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Look, I think Prince’s contract is terrible. But I would not put in the same class of terrible as Mauer, Morneau, A-Rod, etc, and I’ve stated my reasons why elsewhere.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
You think a guy who can't even play the field because of headaches (Morneau)
is a better contract than Prince?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Not what I meant.
I think that contract status has nothing to do with future performance.
If you wanted to do a list yourself all you have to do is:
1) project player performance for duration of contract
2) performance value – contract value
Whichever is lowest is the worst, irrelevant whether the contract is yet to begin.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Yeah, this is same comment as KBA below. I guess my only point is that Morneau, Mauer, A-Rod etc, these are shittier contract because we know they’re disabled due to injuries. Thus in projecting future performance, we know that their performance will decline unless a medical miracle happens which has never happened in the history of humankind.
Osfan’s21, I still got my mojo!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Osfan’s21, I still got my mojo!
Ha! I wanted to say this but didn’t know how you’d take it.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Well, I think we’ve evaluating contracts differently. I am by no means saying that you have defined it is wrong. It’s a perfectly legitimate way to look it. I just happen to hold a different view.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I wasn't talking about evaluating contracts per se,
I was talking about the list and how he uses only the remaining years on it, not the previous ones.
But enough of this nonsense
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was talking about the list and how he uses only the remaining years on it, not the previous ones.
Yeah, I think we, and by we I mean myself and the writer, project value differently. I’m not saying the writer is wrong. In fact, I agree that the Prince is contract is terrible. I just view the projected value of these contracts differently.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Putting aside the honorable mentions, I agree with the entire article except for Reyes. I would place Jeter ahead of Reyes.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
But it doesn't matter if he's performed under THAT contract
we have years of data on him that can be used to project future performance and compare it to the amount he’s still owed. I don’t understand what the date on the contract has to do with it.
Because we have new information on the guys who already signed their contracts which already suggests that can’t earn their value. Not to mention, unlike the new guys, these guys have already returned negative value.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
But that infromation has nothing to do with the contract
its just information in their past that we can use to project their future value. I agree that Reyes is more likely than Mauer to live up to the remaining years on his contract, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Reyes in year 1 and Mauer isn’t. Mauer’s deal would be just as bad if signed just signed a 7 year contract rather than being some years into it.
But those old guys have already returned negative value. And the value of his contract was based on a different Joe Mauer.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I'm not sure i'm not getting my point across, or maybe i'm just reading too much into yours
why does it matter if that negative value was returned under the current contract or a past one when assessing how well that player will perform in the future and comparing it to the mony he is still owed?
why does it matter if that negative value was returned under the current contract
Because isn’t that the whole point of this exercise? Does the player’s performance match his production?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Maybe this is where this is breaking down
as far as i could tell, the article is only assessing the value of the remaining contract. Negative value already returned is a sunk cost.
okey dokie
Well, that’s i would see it then (i.e., I would at least consider the actual return so far). If my criteria contradicts the writer, my bad.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
gil meche looked like a horrible contract when he signed it.
he actually did quite well and then retired once he got hurt.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I always liked Gil Meche
I don’t remember what year it was, but he pitched an ESPN game against the yankees when I was in college and he just shoved it right up their asses with some nasty stuff. Ever since then I always wished him well.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Sure
That’s the exception, not the rule.
Contracts that look bad can turn out to be great and contracts that look great can turn out to be bad.
I guess we should give up ever trying to project anything, because in the future we might be proven wrong.
Oh my point isn't that Meche contract was a smart one.
It was a dumb contract. He made it work, but I think Moore got lucky. My point is that unexpected things can happen.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
So what is your objection to the article?
He is saying “These are the contracts that look like they’re going to be terrible.”
My objection is that I don't think we should be including contracts that haven't started.
I’ve started my reasons elsewhere.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
If this was 2001, Manny Ramirez's contract would probably make the list.
Whoops. That’s my point.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Sure
That’s the exception, not the rule.
Contracts that look bad can turn out to be great and contracts that look great can turn out to be bad.
I guess we should give up ever trying to project anything, because in the future we might be proven wrong.
That’s the exception, not the rule.
And my point is that unexpected things can happen, which is why we should off on putting them on the list. The guys who were injured and we know for certain, or very high certainty, should be the ones on the list.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Sure, but that's not what you're saying
You said contracts that haven’t started yet should be left off.
Ryan Howard’s new contract hasn’t started yet either, but I don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t think it’s one of the worst in baseball (except maybe for deluded Phillies fans and people who still think RBI are meaningful).
You said contracts that haven’t started yet should be left off.
That is correct.
Ryan Howard’s new contract hasn’t started yet either, but I don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t think it’s one of the worst in baseball (except maybe for deluded Phillies fans and people who still think RBI are meaningful).
Well Howard is sort of unique case because he signed his new deal TWO years before his contract even ended.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
So what?
We can project a shortfall in production for his contract even though it hasn’t started!
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
what I'm saying
is that as of 2009 or so, we knew Howard would owed a huge salary for something like the next 6 or 7 seasons. Now that two years have passed, we have already seen Howard decline. That is not the case with the new guys.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
But maybe Howard turns it around.
Unlikely, yes. But so is Fielder living up to his contact (for example).
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
well howard is already a shitty player!
Prince is not!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
You think Prince is a shitty player?
Or you disagree that Howard is a shitty player?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Neither.
I’m apparently not getting my point across so nevermind.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Howard
Thus technically his contracts now but if we want to think his contract status and how much he’s owed, he had a bizillion of dollars coming his way as of 2 years ago.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
And Prince Fielder is a fat fatty
And fat fatties tend to age incredibly poorly, so we can say with high probability that his contract will be bad.
High probability yes. With Howard though, we know because we’ve seen it.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
actually howard's 2011 wasn't as bad as I thought.
It’s a horrible contract. But I would put other contracts in front it.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
no wait again!
he was a 1.6 fWAR player in 2011. He was shitty!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
No, Howard only has a high probability of being terrible going forward
It’s not guaranteed that he will be.
We only know what’s happened in the past. We are using it to predict the future. The same as we have evidence that Prince Fielder will have a high likelihood of sucking in 3-4 years.
No, Howard only has a high probability of being terrible going forward
It’s not guaranteed that he will be.
Sure, that’s a fair point. I went a little overboard before.
We only know what’s happened in the past. We are using it to predict the future. The same as we have evidence that Prince Fielder will have a high likelihood of sucking in 3-4 years.
Sure, and I would argue that Howard has a much higher probability of sucking up his contract at this point because we’ve already seen 2 years of 1.5 fWAR production. Prince’s contract will suck too in about five to six years. But I assign greater suckage to Howard in this case.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
And Howard's contract is ranked as worse by the guy
Exactly because of that greater level of certainty and suckage.
fat fatty prince,
you make the baseball world go ’round
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I could be wrong
But before his roid era, I think Mark McGwire actually took a pay cut because he felt like he hadn’t earned his contract the year before.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
Here we go
“I knew I wasn’t crazy!”http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19920129&id=GNQ_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=9eYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6816,7174346
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
Has anyone here seen "Les Efants du Paradis"?
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
I believe that was
“les cousins dangereux”
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
"mechanical issue"
excellent! always what you want to hear before getting on a plane.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
ahahahaha
once i had a plane make a “technical stop” in denver at 4am. it was because it was so heavy and the winds were so strong, it needed to refuel on the way from CA to NY
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
bwahahaha
they are rolling up a new plane two hours from now.
and the gate agent just said, in somewhat broken english, “we promise you it very good plane.”
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
You just got delayed two hours?
That sucks. I hate airports (for the most part)
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
at a minimum
i just hope whatever plane they dig out of storage has turbines and not propellers.
on the plus side, this airport has free Wifi (even if it keeps going in and out) and many of them don’t.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Dulles right?
That is good. The only airport I’ve been to that had free Wifi are Hong Kong
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Jet Blue offers it at a bunch of their terminals
including JFK and Burbank.
You’d think more airlines would do it just to engender better customer relations. It would cost them virtually nothing.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
although i suppose
many of them do this in their admiral’s clubs and whatnot. not that i’d know.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I do. My dad flies all the time for work and gets to keep his miles for
personal use so I’ve flown on his miles a few times and got into the fancy waiting rooms. It is amazing.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
i had this great idea the other day
i i were running an airline, i would hold one first class seat on every flight. not booked first class, not an automatic upgrade for elite members.
instead, every flight has one seat that goes by lottery to a coach passenger.
imagine the press you’d get! and when all fares are basically even, a bunch more people would fly your airline for the chance of getting the lucky seat.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
*should say "one first class seat" in second graf
but i think you get the gist
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
often
for the most part, airlines tend to match each other pretty closely, unless you’re talking about a route that goes through one airline’s hub, or through an airport another airline doesn’t serve.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I have to say that's not the case in Int'l flights by my experience.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
oh, i totally agree
i was talking domestic.
althoguh even the common int’l routes (like NYC-LON) are pretty similar.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Are flying back to LAX?
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
yup
hopefully before tomorrow morning.
how’s your coffee supply, btw?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Solid right now.
Pretty soon I may need a re-up though. I will let you know in a week probably. I go through periods of waking up about 5 minutes before class starts which means I don’t end up having coffee that day.
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
such a shame.
artisinal coffee should be ground and drunk within a week of its being opened.
SHAME on you. youth is wasted on the young.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I'm sorry, I need to start getting up earlier anyway so I will manage the next set of beans better.
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
whatever, slacker.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Not if you've got that guy Sully who landed the commercial airliner on the Hudson.
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by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
About a decade ago, I had a flight that was being delayed due to "a mechanical issue"
This turned into “indefinitely waiting because the aircraft has been terminated from service.”
I figured I would prefer sitting on my butt in an airport to dying horribly, so that was okay.
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by Eat More Esskay on Feb 1, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd think crashing in an airplane from 30,000 feet is a pretty painless death.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
eughhh
there are things worse than pain.
like the insanity of that 8 minute descent, or whatever it would be.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
whilst screaming at the top of my lungs and being stuck to the ceiling
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Tsk tsk. That's why you have your seatbelt.
To keep you nice and safe :)
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
honestly
i think about what it would have been like to be on that brazilian airfrance flight, and i shudder. they descended for 4 minutes after a stall and hit the water intact.
would it have been better if the flight had broken up at 30,000 feet?
i think either way is a pretty bad way to go.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
My buddy was on the flight that went into the hudson
and slept through all the scary stuff. lol That’s the way to do it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Me neither
I can never find a comfortable position for my head/neck.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
yeah i hate "mechanical issues"
they announced they would “render a decision in 20 minutes”, and it immediately conjured an image of two techs on a runway, and one saying to the other, “how big do YOU think that crack is”?
i’m always happier when they just get another plane, even if it means a wait.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
sweet
half the passengers here had foreign connections and got put on another plane.
i could be pissed about that, but i just went and asked for a better seat, and now i’ve got a bulkhead.
score!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
If they don't get the crack fixed, probably about 100 miles and 30,000 feet.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
now THERE's a comforting thought
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
5:40
IAD to LAX
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
it's like
“here’s two hours you can fuck around at CC with no guilt whatsoever”
sign me up!
it’s a shame there isn’t a baseball game on.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Whatcha talkin bout Willis
We ended up agreeing!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Did we?
You still seem to believe that you can’t really call a contract that hasn’t started a worse one than one that has, even if evidence points to that contract being worse long term than the one that’s already partly through.
we agreed that howard < fielder!
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That was only a microcosm of the disagreement!
Besides, I never said that we didn’t reach an agreement, only that we had engaged in an argument.
I see what you’re saying and yes, I think it’s possible that a contract that hasn’t started could be worse than one that has started. I just don’t think in terms of actual examples, I would rank the new contracts worse than the started ones. And my only disagreement with the article is Reyes. In that case, I would rank Jeter ahead of Reyes.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
well, to use "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" language
That my final answer. Apologies if I changed my story.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Gad damn it
Terrible shot selection with the game on the line. Len is fucking soft. I know he’s a freshman and didn’t get to play any knock around games but I don’t care Im sick of it
If my teams are going to lose why can’t they just fucking lose and not give me a goddamn heart attack all the time. FUCK!!!
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Stogs shot at the
end of the 4th was just horrible. Drive to the basket, your super quick. Even if you miss the shot you have a higher probability of getting fouled and winning from the line!
haha, "annoy a liberal, vote Newt"
Yes please, annoy me!
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 PM EST reply actions
We were warned to tone it down!
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Temple Run
During our descent into LA, I improbably broke 1.5 million. Previous high was 642k.
I’m sure that the fact that I played for 3 of the 5 hours on the flight helped. But MAN. I was on FI-YUH.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Aren't you supposed to turn your phones off during descent?
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I just want zk to be safe!
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
And the other 150 people on board too!
That’s what you meant, right?
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Nah
He’s just post it on every one of his Facebook Myspace Friendster friend’s walls over the next few days
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
Bahahaa.... stalker!
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Feb 2, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I was playing
during the “INITITAL” phase of the descent, not the FINAL one.
perfectly acceptable.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
It's ok, I'm sure the pilots were also playing games on their phones.
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