OT: CC Fantasy Baseball Keeper League
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 1, 2012 11:40 AM EST
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PrintThis Fanpost is just to feel out the interest level in there being a keeper league among CC regulars. The reason I say regulars is because keeper fantasy leagues require long-term commitments and it's easier to count on someone you see commenting more than once. Obviously non-regulars will be considered.
Also to be discussed are settings. Number of teams, size of rosters, keeper rules, auction or snake draft, whether to use a website or spreadsheets, etc. Put your preferences in the comments.
If anyone has experience commishing (real word?) and/or would like to try, they are welcome to. If not, I am willing to. Either way, any input is welcome.
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I'd be interested in playing, but I've only played non-keeper leagues before
so I would recuse myself from decisions about those rules.
i would be 100% interested
ive never done a keeper league or any sort of “real” draft so id love to cut my teeth here I used to play sportingnews fantasy baseball and moved on to yahoo so i have alittle fantasy experience but id love to have a league that i can have fun in and ive always wanted a keeper league.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Keeper's easy guys, it just changes your way of thinking slightly
Some people may strategize to fill their bench with Sept callups in the hopes of keeping them for a great value (small dollar amount or late round draft pick) in the following year. Some people just build a team hoping to win and see what happens.
At the end of the year if you’re in the bottom of the standings you can trade your expensive players that you don’t want to keep to teams in contention for players that will be cheap to keep next year. Or vice versa if you’re in contention.
But my point is that in year one, draft one, you won’t be at any major disadvantage by not knowing how keepers work. So don’t have any anxiety about it.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know AMD is also interested as am I.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
Yeah I'm definitely in
I have used Yahoo exclusively in the past but I’d be open to another site.
I am in year #2 of a keeper league with my friends so we’re still working out the kinks and it’s an auction league. I really don’t have too much keeper experience but I’m excited to give it a shot.
Our keeper league is auction and it’s pretty simple to keep track of. Everyone starts with a $270 budget at draft time, and if you’d like to keep a player, the commish subtracts a dollar amount from your starting salary and places a player on your team before the draft starts (specific keeper rules would have to be worked out later)
If we decide to do a snake draft, I have no idea how Yahoo or any other site works it. I’m open to giving it a shot though, whatever everyone wants.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
i mea if you do a snake draft through Yahoo!
then you just do a normal draft for this year, and then you decide your keepers next off-season for the 2013 season. then if you decide to lose a draft pick for keeping a guy, the commissioner can plug in that player in the draft before it actually starts.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Okay great
That’s easy. I’d actually prefer to do a snake draft then, so I can switch it up a bit. We just have to decide what we want the parameters to be. What rules do you use in your other league?
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
well mine is a dynasty league
so we keep everybody and have 10 man minor league squads. if we were just going to do this as a keeper league as opposed to a dynasty league, then we would need to decide:
A. How many keepers? (I like 4 or 5)
B. What compensation is there for keeping guys? (For football I do that you lose your pick in the round prior than the one you drafted the player in. For example, if someone drafts Adam Jones in the 8th round this year, then if they wanted to keep them in 2013 they would lose a 7th round pick. For guys you pick up off the waiver wire during the season, you would lose your last round pick.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
I always thought of keeper and dynasty as the same.
But I’d rather have one with minors.
Also, I prefer auction.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
keeper makes more sense when you deal with value rather than picks.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
Okay well I'd leave that up to you guys
If we did snake draft, I feel like it would have to be more complicated than just a round higher. Justin Verlander was about an eighth round pick last year. By that logic, I could keep him for the rest of his career. Similarly, You could have picked up Desmond Jennings off waivers and now you get to keep him for his entire career. Even if we put a cap on the numbers of years someone can be kept, a last round pick for a FA pickup is very lenient. You’d have people like Lance Berkman going to teams this year for a last round pick.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
so what's your point?
shouldn’t those people get rewarded for making smart/lucky pick-ups during the course of the season?
i was just using that as a starting point from my football league i was in. i do agree however that it should be capped at a number of times someone can be kept as an owner.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
This is why an auction draft is the best when playing keeper/dynasty
To be honest Fangraphs ottoneu leagues have a great setup, but I’d make it a bit shallower.
Link to the rules. We could play that, if people are willing to play, or try to emulate it with a free site like ESPN or Yahoo. Or spreadsheets, which give the most amount of flexibility.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
Never heard of it, but if you set it up I'm there
I’ll have to research it
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, found a crucial typo in my comment
We could play that, if people are willing to play
It should say, willing to pay. It’s $10 a year.
Also, here’s the link
I like the points or saber 4×4 settings
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
The way my law school league works
is you keep him at the round you drafted him in the next year, ADP in the previous year for the next two years, and then you have to let him go after that
Year 1: Player drafted or picked up during season
Year 2: Kept at Year 1 draft position, if not drafted than last round pick
Year 3: Kept at Year 2 ADP
Year 4: Kept at Year 3 ADP
Year 5: Returned to free agent pool
That's a lot better
That’s what I was looking for.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I had an idea on this. (It works with either kind of draft)
After the first year you acquire a player, you must decide how long to keep him (give him a contract) which costs more/ higher draft pick each year and are penalized if you cut him.
Makes it more strategic.
Also, rules can be flexible and change from year to year.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
Also, if you pick someone up off waivers, you inherit his draft status
to reset it to year 1, it has to be a free agent pickup or draft selection
see i differentiate the two
a dynasty league is where you roll over the same rosters from year to year. a keeper league is where you can keep a few guys, but most of your team is going to change on a yearly basis.
you can still do a keeper league with minors players, it would depend on how deep you want the league to be based on how many teams and how many positions. if you’re going to have a 12-14 team league with 30-35 man rosters, than yeah you can have guys draft/big on minor league guys that they may end up wanting to “keep”.
again, i’m open for whatever. I’m just going off of what i’ve had experience with in the past.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Maybe you can do a keep X major leaguers, Y minor leaguers?
It combines the yearly change of a keeper with the depth of a dynasty
And maybe Tez
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
I'm interested
Ottoneu has a sweet format, it might be easier to run it on that. But Either way I’d prob be down.
i'm interested
i’m in a dynasty league with some friends from high school and we use Yahoo. it works fine during the regular season, it’s just a pain in the off-season because you can’t access the site anymore. I’m not sure if ESPN let’s you access a keeper league all year round, if it does that might be a better option.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
I'm totally in.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
So far we have 10
DaveAA
Parkinglotninja
ahoque24
Gamecock24
AMD
Wesite
Myself
kba26 (?)
Tez (?)
mdterps
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
I'm be interested.
If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. ~Author Unknown
Wow that is terrible grammar.
If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. ~Author Unknown
That's 12
DaveAA
Parkinglotninja
ahoque24
Gamecock24
AMD
Wesite
Myself
kba26 (?)
Tez (?)
mdterps
HM
MudDawg
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
i'd do it if there's space
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Feb 1, 2012 4:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It all depends on what settings people want to use.
We can make it 20 teams for all I care.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
32!
25 players each!
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
In like Flynn
if there’s room.
Prefer: website, 10-12 teams, auction or snake no preference, keep x number of players or x dollar amount, roster size idea (don’t hold me to it)—9-10 hitters start, 3 bench hitters, 5 pitchers start, 5 bench, roto or head-to-head?
So far there are 15 people who want to participate (and there might be more).
Since we’ll probably fill a league, it’s time to start discussing the format.
Primary questions:
1) League size
2) Snake or auction
3) Player universe
4) Platform (website v spreadsheets)
Secondary questions (derivatives of the main ones):
1) Roster size
2) Keeper rules
3) League structure
4) Scoring method
Tertiary questions:
1) Scoring categories
2) Prizes
3) Commisioner
The details will follow after we settle on these, which I think are the main issues. Also, if I missed something point it out.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
15 teams is already super deep, we might even have to draft Orioles
by kba26 on Feb 2, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dibs on Casey Fossum!
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Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry...I was 100 percent non-net compatible yesterday.
I’d be interested.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Alright, i think we have to cap it here at 16
anyone else that wants in can go on a waiting list or something, and we can transfer a team if someone goes inactive.
Definitely no more than 16.
And that is way more than I even anticipated.
Also, that is way too big of a list to try to keep straight in a discussion here. This is why I just want someone to take the commish reigns and set it up. Then if anyone sees any glaring problems, we can discuss them.
I will say though that with this many people, the starting rosters should be small. Maybe C,1B,2B,SS,3B,OF,OF,OF…SP,SP,RP,RP,P,P. I wouldn’t have anymore than 1 utility guy, if that even.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 2, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
really?
i feel like that’s wayyy too shallow, especially on the pitching end. i mean, with that few of spots everyone will just have ever team’s #1 or 2 pitchers (well except from the O’s) and won’t have to really put much thought in to it unless there are injuries. i would a utility spot and at least 3 more pitching spots, then you’d have 9 hitters and 9 pitchers plus bench spots on each roster
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
I think you may underestimate the amount of fantasy-worthy SP's available.
My 12 team league does 7 SP spots and there’s barely enough SP talent to fill each team. But I don’t really care, I’ll play by whatever rules are given.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
isn't that where the challenge of fantasy sports come in though?
when you’re in that deep of a league, the advantage is going to go the guys who actually do their homework and take chances on lesser known guys that they think are going to have good years.
i’m not trying to start a debate by any means, i just like to understand other people’s logic/positions on their leagues.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Wow, 3 days with no computer is tough...
OK, here are my thoughts on settings:
1)16 teams
2)Auction draft
3)Incl. minors (offline draft)
4)Like Gamecock said, during the season we can use whoever, then offseason we can do spreadsheets
1) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,OF,OF,OF,Util,3 xSP,3 xRP,3 xP,DL and 7 bench spots for ML and MiL. That’s 400 players in the league w/o DL spots. That’s a good size player universe for keeper.
2) Keep as many as you want. you add $2 to a ML player’s salary and $1 for a MiL player.
3) No leagues or playoffs. (I don’t really have a preference for this one).
4) Roto. (OBP,SLG,HR,CS-SB,R x ERA,WHIP,SV+H, K, HR/9) This is similar to the Fangraphs leagues.
2)If we want to do prizes, I suggest $10 buy-in and a $100/$40/$20 payout to the first three places.
I’m willing to be the commish and do the offseason stuff.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
I should've z'd through the thread first.
Anyway, my suggestion stands.
Also if we do use an auction draft (which makes for easier keeper rules IMO) and do an offline draft we can do it in chucks if it’ll take too long otherwise.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
So we need a site and a commish right now?
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
since nobody has really stepped up to take over as commissioner
i’ll volunteer to do so if there aren’t any objections
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
no objections here, you seem pretty invested.
What is your preferred site for this format?
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yahoo, since that's what i'm most familiar with
and then during the off-season when they take their site down i can just track people’s rosters and/or salaries using some spreadsheets
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
If we want any sort of complicated keeper rules,
drafts will probably have to be offline as well after the first year
Well if we're doing this minor league dynasty thing, that would have to be offline
Yahoo doesn’t add players until they make the 25 man roster
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
They make special cases here and there
But if we’re gonna do a 10 man minor league team x 16 people, there’s no way everyone we would want to draft will be in Yahoo’s pool of players
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 2, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, but he is a tool and nobody is allowed to draft him
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Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
can we not do straight up 5X5?
I would propose this 5×5 instead, an idea. OBP/SLG/R/HR/SB, W/ERA/WHIP/K/SV+HO.
I hate Wins, but its the only way to keep people drafting Starters. Thoughts? I just hate RBIs with a burning passion, and BA sucks too.
you can even do...
net stolen bases (i.e. bases stolen-caught stealing), which i kinda like.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
they also do...
save % so a guy is penalized for blown saves
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
You need SPs to rack up K's.
Also, we can have a min. innings pitched.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 5, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'd actually rather not make this league too saber
Im for wins, RBIs and saves. We’re not computers, this is supposed to be fun. OBP is an okay substitute for average just cuz it’s frustrating as hell when your guys walk when you need stats from them.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Midterps suggestion above except RBi instead of SLG
And SV, not sav +hold. So standard scoring, except OBP replaces AVG. That’s my vote anyway.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 6, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
In such a deep league having only saves is hard.
The talent pool widens when holds are included.
I think we shouldn’t include pitcher wins. They have nothing to do with talent.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
There's 32 closers
it will just put extra value on good closers. If you’re worried about people stockpiling closers, you can eliminate the “P” option and just have 5x SP and 2x RP.
What would you include in place of wins?
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
30, sorry
NFL season is over.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
HR/9 or BB/9
Something you can reasonably predict.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be interested too, if not too late!
Though I’d like it to be a weekly league, not a daily one!
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
yeah, i don't forsee that happening
what’s the fun in a weekly league?
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
much less of a time requirement!
But I like my fun in measurable quanties, fun above replacement level if you will.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Feb 3, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to do a weekly league,
ideally non-keeper, but I can understand how a keeper setup would hold everybody’s interest down the stretch.
I feel the same way about the time requirement.
by j o incandenza on Feb 3, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Daily
Daily daily daily. I did weekly one time and it was terrible. When you do weekly, you’re fucked if someone gets hurt on like a Monday or Tuesday, and it severely devalues the bench.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 5, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
ottoneu
I was looking at ottoneu, the fantasy site associated with Fangraphs. It’s paid—$10/year/team for the basic tier. I believe all the leagues have 12 teams; one of the scoring options is Fangraphs’ linear weights, which is more closely related to WAR and FIP metrics, and it could be set up as either daily or weekly lineups (I prefer weekly).
So, would there be any interest in an ottoneu league?
I believe we have a lot more people
who signed up to play then 12. Also, the fangraphs ottoneu $10 league has no winner cash-out, which to me sucks.
I'd love top play if possible!
I know I don’t comment very often, but I read every day and I managed my CC team to the bitter end last year (lost in the “world series”); you can count on me to stay engaged. I think I count all 16 slots filled including DFA, so I’ll settle for 1st alternate. If we get a few more people who are interested, maybe we could even split into 2 leagues— we’d also have a bit more flexibility with rules that way.
There does seem to be quite a lot of interest in this on here.
If a second league opens up, I’d like to be a part of that.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
No need to draft until after ST is over.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
a suggestion- dunno who is gonna be commish
But when yahoo! or espn or whatever we using gets put up, Set up the league with default settings and invite everyone. Then you can get everyone to argue over rules until something gets set, and then argue over draft dates.
This, we need to do this or use email
first we need to figure out who is in and who isn’t
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
How about we
create a poll of all the stats and have everybody who is playing vote and we chose the most popular ones? And also poll on weekly or daily.
Baseball nerd
I also think points leagues are more fun than categories leagues
that’s another thing that might be included in a poll
If we have a poll anyone can vote in it.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have about 8 email addys from that list
People prolly don’t want a large email string going back and forth between 15 people though. I like the idea of setting up the league first and then discussing it within the league.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
List of participants:
DaveAA
Parkinglotninja
ahoque24
Gamecock24
AMD
Wesite
Myself
kba26
Tez
mdterps
HM
MudDawg
Michael18
Luke
jq
twisted
Reserves:
dfa
HolyOs
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
In.
Email is at the bottom. Although, I’ve gotten so much spam from this, it probably wouldn’t matter if I just posted the whole thing here.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 7, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
If we are doing an email I can send it out.
Between risk and the hottie thread I have most of the emails.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
Just need ahouqe,Luke, and mdterps
If in fact this is what you guys want to do,
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 7, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Moving this to an email to finalize all the details?
Or whoever is going to be commissar (I think GC24 stepped up) can set up the league and we can do it there.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 7, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm working on a proposed set of rules for the league.
I’ll put a link up when I’m done.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
I'm actually having a bit of trouble with it.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
Tez, your keeper league used ESPN as it's hosting site, right?
How did you manage the keeper details? And FA during the season?
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
ESPN has the ability for a team owner to set keepers.
Our commissioner maintained salaries in a spreadsheet over the course of a season. We had a $50 FA budget, so every week, he’d keep track of free agents added (by searching each team’s acquisitions for the week) and then post an updated salary spreadsheet in Google Docs.
If you go to this link ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CLXHt5sO&key=0Anp0Q9wAJOB8dHcwV3RSZEZiYlB1NTlYZjhkaFdfaWc&hl=en&authkey=CLXHt5sO#gid=9 ), you can see our roster spreadsheet. Here ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xS7MxEIHlzakqnTAydHJoo5vrPM3nv1Ywii6eiWpiJI/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNvv4rQO&pli=1 ) is a link to our constitution.
ESPN also has a deeper minor league player base than Yahoo. Our commissioner also keeps track of minor league players that are not included. If a team wants a player that’s not included, the team informs the commissioner and then has to keep an empty spot on the roster.
A few more questions...
Were the acquisition costs managed on the site or in the spreadsheet?
Can you adjust every team’s auction budget to reflect their keeper values?
Can you adjust a team’s budget according to the value of the player cut? For example, if I cut a $10 player and replace him with a $1.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
...
1) FA acquisitions were managed on the spreadsheet.
2) I believe the commissioner begins the auction by assigning the keepers to their respective teams at the appropriate value. However, I could give you his email if you want to ask him.
3) I don’t know what this means. During our season, it is possible to exceed the $260 salary cap. The only limitations during the season are the $50 FA budget (although you can increase this through trades).
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I put together a Google Doc of proposed settings for the league.
Link
The wording is based on Fangraphs ottoneu but the substance is different.
I put in one potential rule I think is cool. Rule 7. d. Arbitration.
Let me know what you think. If this is acceptable to everyone we can move on setting it up.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
I can't access it, it says I need permission
And with all due respect to you my man, I really don’t care to try to discuss these points anymore. The commish just needs to set it up and we’ll run with it. If there’s a setting that a majority of the people feel so strongly about that they are vocally opposed to it, when we can discuss individual things.
I say this because as commish of my other league, I have been doing the exact same thing you are doing for the past three years – trying to make sure everyone is happy with the setting. And you can’t please everybody, it’s impossible. My attempt to include everyone and make everything 100% democratic caused way more troubles than it solved. Half the league yelled at me last year for doing this, and now I see why.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 9, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Fixed. Anyone can see it now. I forgot to change the share settings.
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What about the buy-in?
I strongly support one in the 10 to 30 range, but it might be the one thing which should be discussed.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 9, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
20 would total to 320
Perhaps 250 to first, 50 to second, and 20 to third.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 9, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
For a six month season, that's like a quarter an hour
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 10, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Go higher then?
40?50?60?
I wouldn’t go higher than about 60.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 10, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I can do more than 20.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
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by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 11, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed... and I'd be more comfortable with $10 at that.
Fantasy baseball is a hobby for me, not a means of making money.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
It looks good.
Is the $260 a firm cap or can we bump it up to like $300 to give us more flexibility?
Baseball nerd
It doesn't matter what the sum is.
If it’s larger, prices will inflate. I based it on a few places (ESPN, Fangraphs) that give around $10 per roster spot. But like I said, it shouldn’t matter.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
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So as I read the rules
our free agent budget will be whatever is leftover from our draft budget?
I've set up a league on ESPN.
I’ll be sending out emails to whoever I have and whoever posted here
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
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Not final.
And it looks like ottoneu because I copied it, then adjusted what needed changing.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
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give someone else my spot
I have a feeling i will not be active enough considering my busy schedule.
If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. ~Author Unknown
weak sauce, bro.
it doesn’t take THAT much time!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i feel like
someone who would be more active is better than me for this.
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by MudDawg on Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No worries man, thanks for being honest
As we said in the start, we want 100% involvement
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 10, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
and actually,
I don’t think I can handle the demands of a daily league!
Any interest in a weekly one?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Feb 9, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
So, should I go to the next alternate?
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 10, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
sadly, yes!
I just don’t want to be that guy who stops paying attention in July.
Thanks for your work though :)
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
All right. HolyOs, you're up!
Post your email here so I can send you the invite.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 10, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
If we can drum up additional interest, I'd be down for a weekly league
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 14, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Are we really doing Wins?
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 10, 2012 4:51 AM EST reply actions
I set it that way to start with.
The problem is there aren’t many pitching categories that I see that I’d rather have. I’m no friend of pitcher wins either.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 10, 2012 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
In fact, my original thought was to make the league a points league.
Thoughts?
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 10, 2012 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not really sure what the alternatives are for starting pitchers...
Wins
Quality Starts
Strikeouts
If all of our categories are rate categories, starters become worthless after the top 15 or so… a team can dominate pitching by throwing a bunch of setup guys out there.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 10, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Completely agree
Wins are a necessary evil. Without them starting pitching is severely devalued, and I’ll stock up on setup men with sub-2 ERA’s. The only possible substitute is Quality Starts, but that’s such a completely random and arbitrary metric that i don’t think it has a place in leagues.
...While you're waiting for moments that never come.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 10, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Quality Starts should be renamed to Guthries
6+ IP, 3 ER…
That’s Guthrie in a nutshell.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 10, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
What about.... innings?
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 10, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
There are inning limitations, both minimun and maximum.
Making IP a category takes RPs out of the equation or makes a point league more attractive.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
not with a SV category, RP are still an entire category
Or you could just have a deepr relief squad. I kinda like ottoneu’s with 5RP
If anyone wants to be an alternate, put your name down.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
PBR me ASAP! (not my real name)
email, if needed:
matt_shaffner
at
Yahoo
dotcom
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 14, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
We should create like a free message board or something
to have a central place to run the league out of.
Baseball nerd
this i like.
maybe a really deep fanpost or common grounds forum or something?
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 13, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
There's a message board on the league page. Is that good enough or do we need a forum?
(btw your invite is in your email)
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
i didnt get the invite.
im searching my spam folders and different accounts now in case it went to a different one, but im not seeing it.
redocumented@g mail.com
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'll resend it.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
got it.
running through the sign up motions now.
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think I sent it multiple times. Sorry about that.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
it only came through once.
no worries
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
HolyOs! You wanted to be an alternate, now's your chance.
Someone dropped out so post your email so I can send you an invite.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you. - duck
dhaim2@gmail.com
Sorry, I’ve been busy the last couple days!
before this thread disappears into the abyss of CC history
Just wanted to remind you to send me an invite
Sorry it took a while, I'm on reserve duty and internet access is sporadic at best.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
by J(O's)elskIL on Feb 19, 2012 4:57 AM EST up reply actions
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