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Camden Chat — ALL of Camden Chat — Grades the Offseason

Sammy Sosa. Kevin Millwood. Vladimir Guerrero.

The names make any Oriole fan shudder, and for good reason. They were all "centerpiece" offseason acquisitions that were supposed to propel the team forward in some way. They all failed to do so in spectacular fashion.

It's often said that hindsight is 20-20, and it's always easy to be a "Monday morning quarterback". But in reality, all of these moves were largely opposed at Camden Chat more or less from the moment they were announced, and well before each player's season even began. This despite the fact that the moves were celebrated by many members of the Baltimore media and embraced by, um, "other" fanpools. You know the folks I mean... they comment with regularity on Peter Schmuck and Roch columns.

Were we just lucky? My guess is no. James Surowiecki wrote a book almost a decade ago called The Wisdom of Crowds. The book argues that "in some circumstances, large groups exhibit more intelligence than smaller, more elite groups, and that collective intelligence shapes business, economies, societies and nations."

In other words, several hundred well-informed fans at Camden Chat might well make better decisions than 22 professionals in the front office of the Baltimore Orioles. I'm fascinated by this dichotomy, and by the concept of the crowdsourcing in general: I think the regulars here at CC are by far the most intelligent baseball fans I know, and with Dan Duquette being a brand-new GM, I thought it would be fun to test the theory.

So this year, we're going to quantify the CC offseason opinions and and see how good we really are.

Click below to play along.....

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None of this is to say that there weren't people here who defended the moves above. (As an example, I was one of the folks who embraced the Vlad signing—actually a lot of us thought it was a gamble worth taking—but far more of us felt it was a trainwreck signing that would block ABs for Reimold. Turns out the majority was right.) But that's one of the central tenets of the wisdom of crowds: a group needs to be diverse. It also needs to be independent, which is one of the things that separates us from Roch or Schmuck commenters—folks who follow a particular media figure are more likely to echo his or her opinions. And a group needs to be decentralized. Not just geographically (although we are), but also philosophically: some of us love statistics, some don't. Those that love them disagree about which ones are best to use. Etc.

Perhaps our best asset at CC is this: we constantly discuss about all these things in a civil manner, replying back and forth about a particular topic in an organized and structured way that no other platform provides. This is our crucial advantage, because according to the theory, the best decisions will be arrived at as a product of disagreement and contest.

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But enough blather, let's get to the grading. Here's how we're going to do this.

Below, I have singled out every major transaction of the offseason that affected the 40-man roster. (I say "major" transactions, because there are a couple of minor ones left out—such as when we DFA'd Willie Eyre and then later re-signed him). I did include the DFAing of some folks (Rapada, Angle, etc.) in case they have fans who think they will catch on elsewhere and should not have been the ones let go to clear roster space.

Each move will have a summary description along with stats about the players involved, and links to previous CC discussion. The purpose of the links is so that you can refresh your memory of what was said at the time. You are also free, of course, to seek out and read any other folks' opinions on a move (and I have provided those for the instances where j.q. higgins did a transaction scorecard.) And you are likewise free to simply vote based on your gut impression—again, our differences are what make us stronger.

You will have two ways to vote, and I encourage you to take advantage of both of them:

First, there will be a simple anonymous poll following each transaction. All moves will be graded on a simple 5-point scale, with 1 being "I hate it and think it's a disaster," and 5 being "I love it and think it's a brilliant move". Vote a number from 1-5 in the poll. As you vote, try to bear in mind the obstacles facing Duquette and the team in general: the budget, the recently diminished market for obtaining prospects, the actual available players out there, etc. Recognize that the options to improve the team are limited. Voting everything a 1 because you think the entire franchise should be blown up will not really serve this exercise. Realize that when we look back in October, we'll mostly being viewing the moves based on whether they helped the team this year (although we can revisit in a couple of years as well).

Another way to look at your vote is this: If you were GM, would you have made this trade/acquisition?

I could leave it at that. But since I think the strength of this community is its regulars, there will be a second way to vote as well.

The problem with the internet polls is that any yahoo from Yahoo can come along and vote in them—you don't even need to be logged in. So it would be nice if we had actual voting records of people who are CC stalwarts. It's your chance to put your money where your mouth is! We'll take these ID'd votes and average them out to get a slightly different grade for each trade, but one that is more identifiable to the site.

So if you're comfortable standing behind your selections, the second way to vote is this:

Please enter a summary of your votes in the comments below.

It would be most helpful to me if you could provide it in the following format: Player name: x, where x is a grade from 1-5 with, as above, 1 being the lowest and 5 being the highest.

In fact, here's a template for you to copy and paste:

Antonelli: x
Teagarden: x
Eveland: x
Flaherty: x
Scott nontender: x
Wada: x
Chavez: x
Miller: x
Snyder: x
Chen: x
Hudson DFA: x
Betemit: x
VandenHurk DFA: x
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: x
Rapada DFA: x
Ayala: x
Angle DFA: x

If you can cut and past this example and use it as a template (just changing the x's to your votes), that would be awesome (easier for me to dump into a spreadsheet).

Use "N/A" for any moves you decided not to vote on. And that's perfectly acceptable. If you only have an opinion on the major moves, only vote on the major moves.

You can use the comments section for any questions (or corrections if you spot an error), but please no lobbying for/against certain trades/acquistions, explaining your votes, anything else like that. We don't want to affect other people's decisions in this thread—the point is to record how people feel based on their own opinions and past discussion. Really the comments should just be a bunch of lists of votes like the one above.

Comment voting is limited to folks who have been members of CC for at least 6 months. If you are more recent then that, I'll take your vote if you've made around 100 comments on the site. I just don't want any johnny-come-latelys in this exercise.

Voting will be open until 8:55pm EST this coming Thursday evening, February 23. I do hope we get at least 100 participants, if not more. The greater our numbers, the better this will work.

And now, without further ado, the transactions:


11/21/11—Orioles signed free agent 2B Matt Antonelli to a one-year deal.

There are differing accounts as to whether this is a minor league or major-league deal.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this signing on Camden Chat is here.

Vote on the Matt Antonelli signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


11/21/11—Orioles acquired C Taylor Teagarden from the Rangers for minor league RHP Randy Henry and a PTBNL.

Teagarden is on a 1-year deal. His 2011 contract was for $417k.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this trade on Camden Chat is here.

Vote on the trade for Taylor Teagarden in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


12/8/11—Orioles acquired LHP Dana Eveland from the Dodgers for minor league LF Tyler Henson and minor league LHP Jarret Martin.

Eveland was due for arbitration, but signed with the Orioles for one year, $750k.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this trade on Camden Chat is here; j.q. higgins also did a scorecard on it here.

Vote on the trade for Dana Eveland in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


12/8/11—Orioles selected 3B Ryan Flaherty from the Cubs in Rule V draft.

He also plays a little outfield. No contract terms yet, but he's never played in the bigs.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this drafting on Camden Chat is here and here.

Vote on the Rule V drafting of Ryan Flaherty signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


12/12/11—Orioles non-tendered Luke Scott.

Scott's 2011 salary was $6.4M. He eventually signs with the Rays for $6M.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to the nontender on Camden Chat is here; reaction to the Rays picking him up is here and here.

Vote on the non-tendering of Luke Scott in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


12/14/11—Orioles signed Japanese free agent LHP Tsuyoshi Wada to a two-year deal.

The deal is for two years, $8.14M, with a club option for a third year at $5M.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this signing on Camden Chat is here and here; j.q. higgins scorecard is here.

Vote on the Tsuyoshi Wada signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


12/20/11—Orioles signed free agent OF Endy Chavez to a one-year deal.

The deal is for $1.5M.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this signing on Camden Chat is here.

Vote on the Endy Chavez signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


1/3/12—Orioles acquired OF Jai Miller from the A's for $45K.

Miller mader $414k with the A's last year.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this trade on Camden Chat is here.

Vote on the trade for Jai Miller in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


1/3/12—Orioles traded C Brandon Snyder to the Rangers for cash considerations.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

There was virtually no reaction on Camden Chat to this trade.

Vote on the trading of BrAnDoN sNyDeR in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


1/10/12—Orioles signed free agent Taiwanese LHP Wei-Yin Chen to a three-year deal.

The deal is for three years, $11.4M, with an option for 2015.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this signing on Camden Chat is here and here.

Vote on the Wei-Yin Chen signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


1/10/12—Orioles designated LF Kyle Hudson for assignment.

Hudson was DFA'd to make room for Chen. He made $410k with the Orioles last year. He has since signed a MiLB deal with the Rangers.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction on Camden Chat to Hudson being DFA'd is here.

Vote on Kyle Hudson being DFA'd in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


1/24/12—Orioles signed free agent 3B Wilson Betemit to a two-year deal.

The deal is for two years, $3.25M, with an option for 2014.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this signing on Camden Chat is here and here; j.q. higgins scorecard is here.

Vote on the Wilson Betemit signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


1/24/12—Orioles designated RHP Rick VandenHurk for assignment.

VandenHurk was DFA'd to make room for Betemit. He made $410k with the Orioles last year. He is not currently with a team.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

There was no substantive reaction on Camden Chat to VandenHurk being DFA'd.

Vote on Rick VandenHurk being DFA'd in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


2/6/12—Orioles traded RHP Jeremy Guthrie to Colorado Rockies for RHP Jason Hammel and RHP Matt Lindstrom.

The trade that inspired this entire post!

Guthrie stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Hammel stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Lindstrom stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to this trade on Camden Chat is here, here, here, here, and here.

Vote on the trading of Jeremy Guthrie for Jason Hammel and Matt Lindstrom in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


2/6/12—Orioles designated LHP Clay Rapada for assignment.

Rapada was DFA'd to make room for the extra player in the Guthrie deal. He made $410k with the Orioles last year. He has since signed a MiLB deal with the Yankees.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

There was no substantive reaction on Camden Chat to Rapada being DFA'd.

Vote on Clay Rapada being DFA'd in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


2/10/12—Orioles signed free agent RHP Luis Ayala to a one-year deal.

The deal is one year, $925k, with an option for 2013.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction to the Luis Ayala signing on Camden Chat is here and here.

Vote on the Luis Ayala signing in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


2/10/12—Orioles designated CF Matt Angle for assignment.

Angle was DFA'd to make room for Ayala. He made $410k with the Orioles last year. He has not signed on with another team.

Stats, injury history, team history, and past contracts, are here (baseball cube). More stats here (baseball-reference).

Initial reaction on Camden Chat to Matt Angle being DFA'd is here.

Vote on Matt Angle being DFA'd in the anonymous internet poll.

Remember to also record your vote in the comments below.


Remember, if you're willing to stand by your predictions, vote below using the following template:

Antonelli: x
Teagarden: x
Eveland: x
Flaherty: x
Scott nontender: x
Wada: x
Chavez: x
Miller: x
Snyder: x
Chen: x
Hudson DFA: x
Betemit: x
VandenHurk DFA: x
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: x
Rapada DFA: x
Ayala: x
Angle DFA: x

Polls will close Thursday night at 8:55 pm EST.

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This is really well done, Z

I shall get to voting this afternoon.

by Stacey on Feb 20, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

thanks.

it’s a bit cumbersome, but maybe if we do it in the future, we can streamline it.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I shall go first!

…and it turns out I’m more of a DD homer than I thought:

Antonelli: 4

Teagarden: 5

Eveland: 1

Flaherty: 4

Scott nontender: 5

Wada: 4

Chavez: 4

Miller: 3

Snyder: 3

Chen: 5

Hudson DFA: 3

Betemit: 1

VandenHurk DFA: 3

Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4

Rapada DFA: 2

Ayala: 3

Angle DFA: 3

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

okay, let's do this

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 2
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 2
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 2

Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope

by Andrew_G on Feb 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

I love this idea.

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 4
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

by DaveAA on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Ehh, what the heck

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 3
Chavez: 2
Miller: 3
Snyder: 4
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 2
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3/4

by Newbird on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Here we go

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 2
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 2

by SeanP on Feb 20, 2012 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

Also,

It might be a good idea to cover the players’ years of control, arbitration-eligible seasons, etc. Baseball-Reference has info on those things.

Example: Teagarden earns the league minimum in 2012, he’s arbitration-eligible in 2013, and he’s under team control through 2015.

by SeanP on Feb 20, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

I included the B-R links so people could do that if they wanted to

but to have included it would have added a considerable amount of work to getting the post together. :/

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW (My Average "Grade" was 2.8)

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 1
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 2
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 2
Miller: 2
Snyder: 5
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 1
Angle DFA: 2

by pabirdfan on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Voting everything a 1 because you think the entire franchise should be blown up will not really serve this exercise. Realize that when we look back in October, we’ll mostly being viewing the moves based on whether they helped the team this year (although we can revisit in a couple of years as well).

I voted high on mostly everything because most of DD’s signing were low cost/low risk signings. For example, I would sign Jai Miller if I was GM. He cost almost nothing and he could contribute. If he sucks, big whoop. The nontender/DFAs were dumb though. Overall, I tried to grade the signings in terms of expected production versus cost.

Antonelli: 5
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 5
Scott nontender: 5 (the non-signing would be a 2 though)
Wada: 4
Chavez: 5
Miller: 5
Snyder: 4
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 2
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 4
Angle DFA: 3

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

not sure what you mean by the "non-signing"?

there are a lot of players the Orioles didn’t sign this offseason.

This is grading the moves they made, not the ones they didn’t.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He could have resigned Luke Scott.

It would have been nice to see Scott back. Not sure what was the right price though.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What I got

The difficult thing about this is are we deciding what we think about it from a March perspective, or from the time of the signing? For example, I liked the Eveland trade back then to build depth, but 7 pitchers later, I really do not see a point for Dana Eveland.

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 5
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 5
Chavez: 3
Miller: 2
Snyder: 1
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4 (3 mil is great!)
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 2

by FreddieBoomBoomBynum on Feb 20, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, no easy way to address that

we don’t know what was in DD’s head when he signed Eveland. But that’s part of his job…. to take a guess at who we’d be able to get later.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Voting

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 2
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 2
Snyder: N/A
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 2

by mdterps0325 on Feb 20, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

votes

Antonelli: 2
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 1 (WHY?)
Flaherty: 2
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 4
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 4
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4 (underrated)
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4 (potential to pay off)
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

by mrjavascript on Feb 20, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Not a regular poster, but a regular reader opinion

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 2
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 2
Snyder: 2
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 5

by tjk on Feb 20, 2012 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

So do I vote 3

for things that I think have no affect on the team whatsoever? I’m having a bit of trouble because there aren’t any moves that I’d equate with Vlad or Kevin Gregg type signings. it’s all just a bunch of “meh.”

by Stacey on Feb 20, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

it’s all just a bunch of "meh."

This. Bunch of moves that I could less about.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't vote based on how I felt the moves would nessecarily affect 2012

but more “on a scale of 1-5, how much do I agree with the move?”

Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope

by Andrew_G on Feb 20, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"on a scale of 1-5, how much do I agree with the move?"

Even with that, I couldn’t find a way to disagree with each of moves. I mean Flaherty, Antonelli, Chavez, Miller, and Ayala are all cheap players, some dirt cheap. They all have a some record of success. What’s not to like? Even Eveland and Teagarden are really cheap players who were acquired for prospects in name only. It’s hard to disagree with that.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

but what I think is interesting about this is how it affects other players

So Ayala is cheap, but our bullpen is already really crowded, and we had to lose Angle.

by dan o'hare on Feb 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

well, that's something right there

so far, DD hasn’t made a Vlad-type signing.

progress!

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If DD manages to go through this off-season w/o stepping in some sort of pile of dogpoo

But also doesn’t manage to pull any MacPhail-type ‘WOW!’ trades off, does it make it a successful off-season?

I’d say, yes. Not stepping in dogpoo is a good thing. You have to stop digging before you can climb out of the hole.

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 20, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

3 is listed as "it's a wash/harmless"

So that’s what I picked for the majority of mine.

by Holymittens on Feb 20, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I gave them 4 or 5 because the random chance of breakouts.

There’s a possibility that they might pull a Brian Roberts or Carlos Pena.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it's notable there don't seem to be a lot of 1s and 2s

I think in some recent seasons there would have been more of them.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for taking the time to set this up - it was fun

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 4
Snyder: 3
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 4

by O'sFan21 on Feb 20, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

speaking of which
As an example, I was one of the folks who embraced the Vlad signing—actually a lot of us thought it was a gamble worth taking—but far more of us felt it was a trainwreck signing that would block ABs for Reimold. Turns out the majority was right.

Whatever happened to Johnnypops?

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 20, 2012 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

he got a job at orioles hangout.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i hear the pay is good over there

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

still don't really like any of these moves

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 2
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 2
Snyder: 2
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 5

by jmetz7 on Feb 20, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

this is cool! average rating just a tick above 3

I had to say why, just so I can remember what I was thinking come September.

Antonelli: 4 (good depth)
Teagarden: 4 (keep Buck happy)
Eveland: 4 (good at the time, cheap, added depth)
Flaherty: 4 (cheap option at 3rd, worth a flyer)
Scott nontender: 3 (couldn’t be part of the youth movement, but I don’t hink he’s done)
Wada: 4 (i think he’ll be more of a reliver/spot starter, but I like students of the game)
Chavez: 2 (I’m not crazy about Chavez. I’d rather give a chance to a young OF with speed or power)
Miller: 3 (kinda a cheap flyer here, strikes out alot but at least has some power)
Snyder: 3 (makes sense)
Chen: 4 (I like that he is young and has pitched well in the past. for the price, good signing)
Hudson DFA: 3 (makes sense)
Betemit: 3 (really not the FA bat I was hoping for. this would be rated a 5 if he was a sub, though right now it looks like he’s a starter)
VandenHurk DFA: 3 (makes sense)
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2 (I think this was a good idea that won’t pan out. something that looks better on paper than it will be on the field.)
Rapada DFA: 3 (sure)
Ayala: 2 (it would be a 1 if it was a 2 year deal. hopefullly I’m wrong on this.)
Angle DFA: 1 (not that I love him, but we didn’t need Ayala, and I’m afraid Angle is the kind of player that suddenly figures it out and really uses his speed. I think we gave up on him way too soon)

by dan o'hare on Feb 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

voting

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 2
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 2

by j o incandenza on Feb 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

interesting to see the reactions to the Guthrie move

As of now, not alot of 3’s. Seems there are strogest opinions about that still…

by dan o'hare on Feb 20, 2012 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...let's see here

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 5
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 1
Angle DFA: 3

I find the Flaherty grade difficult to judge since I’m not sure who else was available for the O’s to potentially pick up during the Rule 5. He looks like he could stick, and be useful, but who else was available for the taking?
But, all and all, I like what DD has done to address our depth issues. We don’t have the top end star power to compete just yet, but our role players are certainly better than the dreck this team has fielded during the recent past.

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 20, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Meh says it all.

I was almost tempted to go through and just vote 3 for everything, but I do think the Wada and Chen signings could pay off, and that the Guthrie trade was not very good. There was really no moves that I feel passionate about. I do kind of wish there was an overall vote, however. I feel that DD took a bad team and really didn’t do much of anything to improve it, so overall I’d give the offseason a 2, even if I’m pretty neutral on his moves when you look at them individually.

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 2
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 2

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by mamemimo on Feb 20, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

an overall vote is a great idea.

a little late to do it in this round, but in the future, for sure.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of 3s from me

Most of these moves were unimpressive in both their failure to be great or to suck.

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 2
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

by Holymittens on Feb 20, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 2
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 4
Snyder: 2
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

by Luke E on Feb 20, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden:3
Eveland: 2
Flahetry: 3
Scot: 4
Wada:4
Chavez: 2
Miller:4
Snyder: 4
Chen: 3
Hudson DFa: 4
Betemit: 2
VandenHurk Dfa: 2
Guthrie Trade: 4
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 4

by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 20, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Here are my votes.

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 2
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 2
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

I think this team will go 72-90 or in that neighborhood. I gave 4-5 when I felt like there was a positive value over replacement move (VORM, if you will), 1-2 when I thought there was a negative VORM. There is a whole lot of meh, especially all the DFAs. I would only give a 5 for a DFA if Kevin Gregg was DFA’d.

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by Eat More Esskay on Feb 20, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

A whole lotta meh

To me the problem isn’t the moves made — DD has done a decent job of not making things worse — but that there isn’t really significant forward progress. I like the Wada and Chen signings, I like Antonelli, Teagarden, Betemit, and maybe even “Inning” Endy Chavez (as the Nats blog I used to read dubbed him) as cheap guys with a bit of potential value. So a lot of 3s and a couple of 4s from me:

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 2
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

Besides not doing anything really stupid (and I guess, having lived through the Thrift years we shouldn’t take that for granted), DD hasn’t done anything that actually matters, basically.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Feb 20, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

We're going to need a bigger boat...for this pile of meh

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 3
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: N/A(with holding judgement until Hammel and or Lindstrom play fo the Orioles)
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 1
Angle DFA: 2

1’s: Like a sippy cup on the Titanic
2’s: Like a small cup on a rowboat
3’s: The rowboat
4’s: A speedboat. Good, fast, could be awesome. But could also be blown up by a one eyed midget named Cheatum or used by Hulk Hogan on “Thunder in Paradise”.
5’s: Would’ve been “If Knightrider was a boat”, but the only 5 would be not resigning Vlad or trading Kevin Gregg for a new home plate.

"The plate is 17 inches, and I’m gonna use all 17 inches, and they don’t like it because they think they’re better than everyone else." - Kevin Gregg

by Jakattak88 on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

imeant to tell you yesterday

thati love your rating descriptions.

they may need to be the standard in the future.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why thank you.

I was feeling the need to cheer myself(and possibly everyone) up after going through those. And nothing cheers me up like mocking Thunder in Paradise.

"The plate is 17 inches, and I’m gonna use all 17 inches, and they don’t like it because they think they’re better than everyone else." - Kevin Gregg

by Jakattak88 on Feb 23, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't I have to participate here to count?

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 2
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 5
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 1
Chavez: 2
Miller: 3
Snyder: 1
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 5
Betemit: 1
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 1
Rapada DFA: 5
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

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by James F on Feb 20, 2012 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

I seem to be an extreme outlier on Snyder, Flaherty and Wada

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Feb 20, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I gave Flaherty a 5.

Good minor league track record. He’s really cheap in terms of salary and the cost of acquisition was cheap. If he sucks, who cares. You cut him and he gets sent back to the Cubs. The only thing you use is the opportunity cost of playing him versus taking a flyer other questionable talent.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that and the opportunity cost of making him your Rule V pick

But I scored him a 5 since I view him as the clear best player available in the Rule V draft.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm glad you jumped in

I was afraid the short window might miss you

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Helps to post on a union holiday

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 4
Miller: 2
Snyder: 2
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

by Stacey on Feb 20, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

the future of the planet depends on such matters

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 20, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I like a lot of us on the blog rate the off season a 2... but

then I went all positive with my ratings… I was a tick above the median vote in almost every case…

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 4
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 5 (I think this opened the door to other signings, as Chen and the illegal kid showed us)
Chavez: 2
Miller: 2
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 2
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

Birdland and Buck both start with B... coincidence? I think not.

by Birdland in NC on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 4 – the kind of move a team like the Orioles should make
Teagarden: 3 – another solid move
Eveland: 3 – I would like to see if he learned something in the PCL, didn’t cost much
Flaherty: 3 – I like his bat, though he now seems redundant
Scott nontender: 3 – More playing time for Moldy, but it worries me the Rays picked me up.
Wada: 2 – not sure what the point is
Chavez: 2 – see above
Miller: 2 – see above
Snyder: 4 – Oh Joe Jordan
Chen: 5 – Probably the best move of the off-seaon
Hudson DFA: 3 – meh
Betemit: 2 – really annoying because it decreases playing time for Chris Davis
VandenHurk DFA: 3 meh
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 1 – threw him away for nothing;
Rapada DFA: 1 – could have succeeded if limited to lefties
Ayala: 2 – meh
Angle DFA: 3 – meh

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks zk!

I remember looking forward to seeing how I did in last season’s prediction contest. I learned that I should not have been looking forward to it.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 21, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 5
Wada: 4
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 5
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

"The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth." - Albert Camus

by Sakatadextrous on Feb 21, 2012 7:17 AM EST reply actions  

I only gave the Rapada deal a 5...

for purely aesthetic reasons. For baseball reasons, it’s actually more of a 2 or 3. The other votes are sans snark.

"The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth." - Albert Camus

by Sakatadextrous on Feb 21, 2012 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of ambivalence here.

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 4
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 2

"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Feb 21, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure if I'm actually meet the requirements

Since I haven’t been here TOO long and I don’t post a terrible amount, but I figure it’s still a fun thing to do.

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 5
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 2
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 1
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

by Xari0tis on Feb 21, 2012 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

lurkers are always welcome!

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Antonelli: 5
Teagarden: 5
Eveland: 5
Flaherty: 1
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 5
Chavez: 3
Miller: 3
Snyder: 5
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 5
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 3
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 1
Angle DFA: 3

Antonelli is still the only 3B on the team who can field the position, so he is a 5 by default. The starting pitching acquisitions get 5s because I like the strategy of going for quantity and using the season to see if anything sticks.

We Americans are a peculiar people. We are for the underdog, no matter how much of a dog he is. - Happy Chandler

by ThreeRunHomer on Feb 21, 2012 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

Doing this quickly. Little too busy to put too much time into it

I can explain any grades individually if anyone really cares, but since there’s like 30 of these posted I’m not expecting to.

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 1
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 5
Wada: 3
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 2
Betemit: 5
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 5
Ayala: 1
Angle DFA: 3

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 21, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Meh, liked the moves that bolstered areas of weakness. Most did nothing.

Antonelli: 3 (Area of need)
Teagarden: 1 (not an area of extreme need)
Eveland: 2 (old minor league pitchers are not an area of need)
Flaherty: 3 (area of need)
Scott nontender: 3 (blocking reimold and dh)
Wada: 4 (area of need, good risk reward move)
Chavez: n/a (dont care)
Miller: n/a (dont care)
Snyder: n/a (we signed a catcher and got rid of one)
Chen: 4 (area of need, good risk reward move)
Hudson DFA: n/a (dont care)
Betemit: 4 (like him, he gets on base)
VandenHurk DFA: n/a (meh)
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4 (didn’t get prospects but potentially inreased production, got cheaper and younger)
Rapada DFA: 1 (any time we drop someone and they get scooped by the yankees or redsox it pisses me off)
Ayala: n/a
Angle DFA: n/a

by Benhem612 on Feb 21, 2012 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

What is this 'Baseball" you speak of?

Antonelli: 2
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 1
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 5
Chavez: 1
Miller: 1
Snyder: 2
Chen: 3
Hudson DFA: 2
Betemit: 1
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 4

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by Parkinglotninja on Feb 21, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

I don't qualify...

I haven’t been here for over 6 months and am not at 100 comments, but I want to show that I’m working towards becoming a regular, recognized guy on here, sooo…

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 4
Chavez: 2
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

by Jokes & Burns on Feb 21, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

you are currently at 103 comments

BINGO!

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

For all of the times this off-season that DD was rumored to be about to do something stupid...

I am fairly satisfied with the bunch of meh moves that were made. It is a team that is set up for mediocrity at best, but at least we are not overpaying for mediocrity and then failing to even acheive it.

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 5
Wada: 2
Chavez: 3
Miller: 2
Snyder: 3
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Feb 21, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

well here ya go

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 4
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

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by Gamecock24 on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

20-20

“It’s often said that hindsight is 20-20.”

It’s not 20-20 in this case. I don’t remember anyone thinking or claiming that Guerrero was a “centerpiece” addition. It was a last minute addition, almost an afterthought, and only came because the owner went over his own budget. They were going to go with Scott at DH and have Reimold and Pie duke it out in left.

by Ampontan on Feb 21, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

nobody HERE claimed he was a centerpiece addition

…. but a lot of the media coverage treated it as the most significant move of the offseason. and a lot of other fanpools were all over it.

the same applies to Millwood and Sosa. My point was that after those moves were made, CC was one of the few places where you’d find broad-based skepticism.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm ashamed by how much I liked the Vlad signing.

Growing up going to Expo’s games, I had a hard time NOT getting pumped. It’s a shame he didn’t have more left in the tank. He bummed me out last year but I’m still proud that he ever played for the O’s. I’m just curious where he’ll play this year…

by Bird of Pray on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anybody was using the language of "centerpiece" addition,

but people did claim he was an valuable addition to the team.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post!

I really like this. I’m going to take my time in responding, but “mad props” for setting this up. Also a big fan of all the pictures that have come out of Spring Training. Getting amped for the season. Hell, I’ve already done three or four fantasy mock drafts.

by Bird of Pray on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

thanks.

remember voting closes just before 9pm thursday.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Well in that case, let's make this quick.

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 2
Scott nontender: 5
Wada: 4
Chavez: 4
Miller: 5
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 4
Angle DFA: 2

For some reason, I’m really pumped about Jai Miller. As someone else said, it was a great move, even if he doesn’t turn out all that great. I have yet to be sold on the Guthrie trade but it really is time for some new faces. Things can’t get any worse, so why not make room for people to try their hand (or arm) as an O?
And why does anyone hate on the Teagarden signing? He’s a back up and should hit better than Tatum or Fox…

by Bird of Pray on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

not everyone!

I gave it a 5.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Because it wasn't a signing

We dealt a decent low minors arm for him, as well as a potential backup infielder. And we could have had a player essentially as good through waivers or for a pittance in free agency.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Feb 21, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a quiet but underrated offseason

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 2
Wada: 4
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 4
Angle DFA: 3

I think the acquisitions addressed needed depth, but none of them really hurt the team. I think the biggest blunder came in not resigning Scott to try and get some value for him down the road.

90 feet. 4 Times. Perfection.

by Skipper_32 on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

i think this will be one of the more interesting storylines this season

how well scott does with the rays, and what they get for him if he succeeds. the rays paid $6M for him, and i believe he would have gotten around that amount if the O’s offered arbitration.

my sense is, he’s done.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

he would have made more than $6M for the Orioles

as he made $6.4M in 2011.

His injury really put the O’s in a tough spot. They could offer him arbitration and end up giving him >$7M when it’s up in the air how he’ll perform, or they could do what they did and hope to re-sign him for less. And of course, once you do that you have to compete with teams that might want him who have a much better chance of winning going into 2012.

I’m surprised he got that much from the Rays, honestly.

by Stacey on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

In reality, I'm just annoyed

that the FO didn’t trade Scott after his career year in ‘10, and thought they should make SOME sort of effort to recoup his lost value. Then again, maybe I’m playing right into the Sunken Cost Fallacy by saying that.

90 feet. 4 Times. Perfection.

by Skipper_32 on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought that the arb might take his injury into account

but i guess it doesn’t

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised the Rays gave him $6M too.

I heard him on XM and he was clearly bitter about being non-tendered.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Feb 21, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, is there any way

to fire someone without hurting their feelings? If so I have yet to see it.

90 feet. 4 Times. Perfection.

by Skipper_32 on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

letting a contract expire is not a firing

and i don’t think Scott worried about peoples’ feelings too much with his racist tirades over the past two years.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

my take

It’s difficult for me to give grades other than a “3” to most of these. I guess my strongest opinions are positive on Chen (so I’ll rank that a 5) and negative on the Guthrie deal (which I’ll rank a 1).

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 4
Chavez: 2
Miller: 2
Snyder: 2
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 1
Rapada DFA: 2
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 3

by AndrewTorrez on Feb 21, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 2
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 4
Chavez: 1
Miller: 2
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 4
Angle DFA: 1

by timsouders09 on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 4
Flaherty: 2
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 3
Chavez: 4
Miller: 2
Snyder: 4
Chen: 4
Hudson DFA: 2
Betemit: 3
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

Thanks for putting this all together, zk. Very cool. I’ll miss Guts, but putting emotion aside, I like the trade from the “if what you’re doing isn’t working, try something else” aspect. I would give a solid 5 to NOT signing Manny Ramirez. I also like the fact that we didn’t throw buttloads of money at any over-priced free agents as a quick fix.

"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller

by Zeke McGeek on Feb 22, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

As requested :)

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 5
Wada: 3
Chavez: 3
Miller: 4
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 2
Angle DFA: 4

by zsiv on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Antonelli:1
Teagarden:2
Eveland:2
Flaherty:2
Scott nontender:5
Wada:2
Chavez:2
Miller:1
Snyder:5
Chen:5
Hudson:5
Betemit:1
VandenHurk:5
Guthrie trade:1
Rapada DFA:5
Ayala:3
Angle:5
Big Picture offseason:F. As usual O’s in no man’s land. Unwilling to do a real rebuild by trading Jones,Hardy,Markakis,Reynolds,Johnson or picking the other plan and being big spenders. If they would have done a real rebuild, add to the system and most likely get 1st pick in 2013 by Nov of 2013 O’s would be in same position as Nats. Stocked system where you can trade for the best 25-28 yr old on the market and you have salary space to spend big. O’s could easily contend in 2014. Instead we’re wasting another year where we are the 5th best team in East with the 5th best farm system. Come on football season

by flacco5 on Feb 22, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Voting

Antonelli: 2
Teagarden: 5
Eveland: 3
Flaherty:
Scott nontender: 5
Wada: 2
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 4
Chen: 3
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 1
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 4
Angle DFA: 4

by IggesRule13 on Feb 23, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 4
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 1
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 3
Wada: 3
Chavez: 4
Miller: 3
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 3
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 3
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 4
Rapada DFA: 3
Ayala: 4
Angle DFA: 1

by TheTrapezoidConspiracy on Feb 23, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

FWIW

Antonelli: 3
Teagarden: 4
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 4
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 2
Chavez: 3
Miller: 2
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 5
VandenHurk DFA: 4
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 4
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 3

by Reboulet's Moustache on Feb 23, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Antonelli: 2
Teagarden: 3
Eveland: 3
Flaherty: 3
Scott nontender: 4
Wada: 5
Chavez: 2
Miller: 1
Snyder: 3
Chen: 5
Hudson DFA: 4
Betemit: 4
VandenHurk DFA: 2
Guthrie for Hammel/Lindstrom: 2
Rapada DFA: 1
Ayala: 3
Angle DFA: 2

by oriolekid on Feb 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

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