Jeremy Guthrie Trade: The Conference Call
As you have by now read on this site and elsewhere, Jeremy Guthrie was traded by the Orioles to Colorado. In exchange, the O's received a starter, Jason Hammel, who is 29, and a reliever, Matt Lindstrom, who is 31. At 12:30pm today the O's had a conference call for the media with Dan Duquette and also the two newest members of the O's. Yours truly had the opportunity to listen in. The conference lasted about half an hour. There's a lot of stuff that gets asked and answered that I get the feeling is boilerplate stuff. Here are some of the highlights:
* Duquette cited several times that both Hammel and Lindstrom can be under team control for 2013 as a reason in favor of making the trade.
* He was asked if, while exploring trades, he had the opportunity to get young and upcoming prospects instead. "We didn't have any offers of young prospects."
* Duquette likes calling everyone "a dependable pitcher"; he referred to Guthrie this way as well as Hammel and Lindstrom. Then he mentioned Hammel's past 3 years of 177, 178 and 170 IP. Is that where the bar is set for dependable? Hammel doesn't seem to have spent time on the DL. He makes starts, just doesn't average 6+ IP.
* At one point, Duquette cited K/BB ratios as being a strength of the players acquired. He described them as having ratios "approaching" 3:1. Hammel's career K/BB is 2.01. Lindstrom's career K/BB is 2.12. Guthrie's career K/BB is 2.06. I am not sure that is how I would deploy the word "approaching."
* This fact was not referenced on the conference call (probably because the players themselves were also listening), but Guthrie has settled for $8.2M with Colorado. The combinination of the salaries of Hammel and Lindstrom is $8.35M.
* Duquette's favorite evasive answer is to say that he "can't comment on players on other teams rosters." I have to admit I am not sure at what level this injunction exists. He wouldn't take the bait on questions about the name of Eric Young Jr. possibly having been mentioned in the trade talks with Colorado, and also when asked about the possibility of re-acquiring Koji.
* Duquette said he "would still like to strengthen the bullpen between now and spring training." I would still like some winning lottery numbers.
* He talked about wanting to have "a set of reinforcements to develop in AAA for the big league team." Is this going to be the new cavalry thing? The reinforcements, it seems, are going to be the pitchers who still have minor league options. The impression I get is if the choice is between two guys otherwise equal, the one with the option is going to AAA. As to who is going to be in the rotation, Duquette said you'd have to ask Buck, who was not on the call.
* There was one question asked about the Orioles' level of interest in Manny Ramirez. Duquette expressly DID NOT rule out the possibility of the O's acquiring him. This was the answer: "We're aware that Manny's on the market, we've had some exploratory talks with his agent, we have seen him work out, but we're still considering the composition of this club and some of the challenges of integrating a player like Manny into our ballclub and market. That's really all I can say about it right now."
I think that about covers the interesting parts. I listened to the whole call and have some notes that I didn't include in this post, so if you have any other questions feel free to ask in the comments and I'll answer them if I can.
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Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Feb 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
More of the same garbage
This was a move about getting warm bodies and not quality.
I’d have no problem trading Guthrie if the team got a young prospect or two. Instead they got some mediocre arms to throw in with the rest of what they have.
The Manny talk is ridiculous.
"Have a good time...all the time." - Viv Savage
They would have gotten a young prospect or two...
if that option was available. Duquette didn’t make this trade blindly. We can’t se behind the scenes, but obviously there was no market for Guthrie.
If there was no market he wouldn't have been traded.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I meant he got traded for what he was worth...on the market
Since everyone here is complaining about what the O’s got in return.
And just to clarify
most people here, while disappointed in the return for Guthrie, understand fully what he is and isn’t. What people are reacting negatively to is folks like you who come here and talk about how Guthrie is “terrible” and no team would want him even as their number 5, because this is just ridiculously ignorant.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
by O'sFan21 on Feb 6, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a pretty big assumption
None of us knows truly what the market is for a player.
You’re right that no one knows what goes on behind the scenes so those who hate or are fine with the trade are simply reacting to their own perception of the value of the players traded.
"Have a good time...all the time." - Viv Savage
not everyone here is complaining
there are at least a few of us who are content with the trade, but sorry to see Guts go for non-performance reasons
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My current nickname for DD
The Underwhelmer
Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
Hah,
Let’s get rid of a class act like Jeremy Guthrie, and bring in a class act like Manny Ramirez. Come on, does Duquette really know the Oriole way?
What up?
You know when you have that moment...
When you say to yourself… “Damn, that’s what I should have said…” Well that was it for me, but yeah I was using class sarcastically, but your word is much much more fitting.
What up?
Duquette made a comment re: the young pitchers about a 5 ERA not cutting it in the big leagues.
Worth noting (hat tip to Camden Depot’s Jon Shepard for pointing it out to me first), Hammel’s career ERA is 4.99.
So there’s the Orioles for you. Complaining about guys with a 5 ERA while trading for guys with a 5 ERA. Dana Eveland, an earlier offseason acquisition, also a 5+ ERA pitcher.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
I hope to have the opportunity to continue to do so.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 6, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
You're telling me.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Except for..
the pulling your hair out part. Are you bald?
Birdland and Buck both start with B... coincidence? I think not.
by Birdland in NC on Feb 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I am not bald, but I do sigh a lot.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Another classic Guts tweet
Winners & Losers of @Rockies / @Orioles trade: Winners- #Yankees training staff. Losers: @NickSwisher batting avg.
by Stacey on Feb 6, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I love this.
"Roberts is unconscious!!!!" - Jim Hunter, after Brian Roberts hits his second HR of the night. 9/21/09
Guthrie will have less than 6 wins and an ERA over 5.50 this season
Probably won’t make it beyond the All Star break. Don’t care if he’s the nicest guy in the world. He’s a below average pitcher.
i'd take this bet too
guts is far better than that.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Not even getting into the fact that now he's heading to the NL.
Could easily be a career year for ERA for Guthrie.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not nearly as much of a hitters park as Coors.
In fact, OPACY tends to have almost neutral park factors each year, I believe.
Lately OPACY has been pitcher friendly overall.
But I can’t find the components of the park factors so I don’t know if it suppresses HRs or not.
Please come back Koji, we miss you.
fuck em

"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
best of this meme i've seen yet
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
So, what's the bet?
I’ve got lots of local delicacies to choose from for my side, living 30 minutes from both the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean. What the hell do locals eat in Denver? Flavored snow?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Don't take the bet SLOfan.
If you win (which you won’t) you’ll get dumplings which aren’t even dumplings.
Only bet with zk, he is doing a country wide tour paying off debts to CC'ers
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Mine taste better
No uncooked dough in the middle.
And as I shared the story of last weekend’s comments with my parents yesterday, they were incredulous. “What did they think dumplings are?” my mom asked. When I explained, she just shook her head, with a sad look on her face.
You done made my momma sad, Camden Chat. Shame on you.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Tell her
I remember one of the 1st times I visited your place & she had made dumplings, which I never had in any form before. And they were fantastic, as was the rest of the meal.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
I will let her know
She still asks every now and then how you’re doing. I usually make something up about drug smuggling and South America, but she never believes me.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
Actually branching out into pimping
Got the purple suit & ostrich feather hat ready to go.
But if I can be serious for a minute, my mom was never a big fan of the starch, except for spaghetti night & special occasions (stuffing for TG dinner & so forth). So dumplings were a new thing.
"You should put the secret group of people that you carry with you on your tech equipment second to the person you're sitting with."
- Merrill Markoe
Halos fan from what I could tell.
"I do think that socializing on the Internet is to socializing what reality TV is to reality."
Aaron Sorkin talks about Facebook - September 30, 2010
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Talking about me?
Lived in Baltimore for 12 years, and just moved back to CA last year. Orioles, Angels, Ravens & Niners… Season seats to Angels and Niners now. When I go to games, I represent Baltimore along with the home team…
Double depression...
What are the odds of my 2 teams getting THAT close..? I really thought it was going to be a Thanksgiving Day re-match!
105.7 The Fan is the best
I listen live on my laptop all day long…after watching the Dan Patrick show, of course. But I really miss Baltimore.
Guthrie having a career year wouldn't take much...
Have you looked at his career stats? And if he was any good, there would have been a better market for him. Look what the O’s got. Less than impressive. Oh, and heading to the NL… where he’ll play half his games in Colorado!
Your posts on this matter really make almost no sense.
You make it seem like heading to the NL is going to be harder?
Guthrie having a career year would result in an ERA+ of over 125 – Hammel hasn’t even cracked 110. I don’t know what stats you’re looking at, but I suggest looking again.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Not comparing Guthrie to Hammel.. The trade is a non-issue..
Talking about Guthrie’s career stats compared to all starting pitchers. He wouldn’t even be a #5 starter on the top teams. Like I said, he might be a nice guy…. not a good pitcher. His best feature is he can throw a lot of innings. That will be tempered in the NL, because he will get pinch hit for, preventing him from getting deeper into games.
You specifically said that Guthrie having a career year wouldn't require much.
That’s factually incorrect and you don’t seem to understand that.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
And you're absolutely crazy if you think "he wouldn't even be a #5 starter on the top teams"
Find me a #5 that put up an average of 200 innings and an ERA+ of 105 over the last 5 years. Throw in that he did it on the worst team in the AL East and it’s even more of an absurd statement. The simple statistics state that you are factually wrong.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Boston would have liked Guthrie down the stretch last season.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 6, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
As would have almost every team in baseball.
You think the Phillies (easily the best rotation in baseball) wouldn’t have preferred Guts to Blanton, Kendrick, or Moyer?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
you're just ignoring facts.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
ERA above 4, WHIP 1.29, SO/BB ratio barely 2 to 1 and he gives up a TON of HR's
There’s a reason they only got what they got in this trade.
-going out to get a pizza, talk to you later.
Dude
ERA is stupid so I won’t even address it, but his WHIP from 2007-2011 among guys who pitched a significant number of innings ranks 30th. In all of baseball. The number one job of a pitcher is to prevent guys from reaching base and he’s actually been pretty damn good at that according to the very stat you brought up as a reason he’s bad. So I’m not sure if you’re not clear on what these stats mean or don’t know what a good WHIP is, but again I think you need to look a little closer.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I used it because he referenced it.
Although I don’t think it’s anywhere close to as bad as ERA.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
WHIP correlates pretty well with a pitcher's overall effectiveness.
it’s nowhere near as stupid as ERA
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
that's because there's no way to measure it.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Give this a quick read...
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/4/17/1427880/how-to-make-pictures-a-suitable
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
i think the problem was with your link
It looks like you embedded the URL of the webpage that the picture was on, not the actual picture itself. Right click on the image and select “copy image URL” and use that to paste into image dialog box.
Something is messed up with that gif, though, cause when I just tried doing that, it doesn’t show up (using Preview first, of course).

i think that meme sight just doesn't let you direct link to images
I did an end-around for you….

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

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