The Mitchell Report Challenge

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Dec 4, 2007 3:57 PM EST Comment 31 comments

So the Mitchell Report is due out before Christmas. From what I understand it will be naming names. Lets see who knows what a steriod freak looks like.

First, give the name of 3 Oriole players who will appear on the list.

Then give me 5 other MLB players who make the grade.

Whoever has the most names correct wins......nothing.

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Orioles picks

Miguel Tejada
Jay Gibbons
Aubrey Huff

I honestly don't follow enough non-Orioles baseball to accuse 5 other dudes. But I'm hoping for Derek Jeeter.

"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Dec 4, 2007 4:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

O's

Jay Gibbons (obvious pick)
Jay Payton
Brian Roberts (hope I'm wrong)

Other Five:
Sammy Sosa
Luis Gonzalez
Nomar Garciaparra
Frank Catalanotto
Jason Varitek (we can dream, right?)

Also: An unbelievable number of shitty middle relievers.

I'll laugh my ass off if Curt Schilling is on it since he made this his crusade, but that's probably too much to hope for.

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by CStoneNo37 on Dec 4, 2007 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My list is mostly wishful thinking...

...but here it is.

Os:
Tejada
Gibbons
Ponson (could only help Os at that contract hearing that's been delayed until, apparently, the first solar eclipse after the Third Reconciliation of the Last of the Meketrex Supplicants, or something)

MLB wide
David Ortiz (how did he get SO good, SO fast?)
Schilling (please)
Clemens (if there is a God...)
Jose Guillen
Sosa

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 4, 2007 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

re:

David Ortiz (how did he get SO good, SO fast?)

He didn't. He never really struggled with major league pitching, always had great power potential (his minor league numbers support this), and was always good with plate discipline. Injuries, defensive concerns, and the Twins not knowing what they had played a major role in Ortiz shockingly developing into a hell of a hitter when he was...26 years old. And still in Minnesota. There's nothing all that alarming about David Ortiz. He's a big SOB with a huge swing.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 5, 2007 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ortiz

"There's nothing all that alarming about David Ortiz."

I certainly agree that he was never a bad hitter but his transformation is a little eye catching. After checking out his yearly OPS+, Ortiz was an average hitter (below average for a DH) for the Twins and then he went into another dimension once reaching Sox. His OPS+ looks like it jumped almost 40 to 50 points after reaching the Sox. Maybe it was just injuries and lack of a set positoin but it's still a little eye catching.

by birdman on Dec 5, 2007 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

His OPS+ looks like it jumped almost 40 to 50 points after reaching the Sox.

Ortiz had an adjusted OPS+ of 120 in his last season with the Twins, 144 in his first with the Red Sox, ages 26 and 27. It's not that baffling. Since then, 145, 158, 161, 171. He has, in all likelihood, peaked. I mean, what the fuck do I know about David Ortiz, but he doesn't spring to mind as a PED guy for me.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 5, 2007 6:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

His jump in numbers...

...ain't as big as Bonds going to 73 HR, sure, but it is there. A 90 point jump in SLG is pretty large. Also I hate him. Completely irrationally, I hate that guy and I will spit on him with my last breath. Everybody's all "oh, we love big Papi, yay!" and I'm all "die, you giant evil toad-man, die." Seriously, doesn't he look at least a little bit like a toad? A giant evil toad?

I know this is completely irrational. David Ortiz might really be the wonderful man ESPN constantly tries to sell us. But doesn't anyone else remember him throwing a stack of bats onto the field, more or less AT an umpire who had thrown him out of the game? Plus, just like Jeter and Bernie before him, he rolls his eyes and bitches about every called strike, as if it couldn't possibly be a strike if he doesn't swing. I hate him, and I'd LOVE to see him get caught by the Mitchell report. I don't think he will, but I can hope.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 5, 2007 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think...

w/ whatever may or may not be true about the boston hitting coach, going from playing 81 games at the 'hube to 81 at fenway is going to have a pretty significant impact on a certain kind of hitters slg. as was also mentioned, his move coincided w/ what is generally regarded as the brginning of the peak statistical years for a player.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 5, 2007 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ortiz

"Ortiz had an adjusted OPS+ of 120 in his last season with the Twins,"

Yeah, I was going to mention this but it's only one year. I was trying to look at his numbers as whole while as a Twin rather than picking one year. And given his work as whole while a Twin and a RS, there's a pretty big jump in performance.

"he doesn't spring to mind as a PED guy for me."

Why? His size shouldn't really be a factor size since the suppose benefits of HGH go beyond strength building. Like I said below, healing properties is a major benefit of HGH is you believe David Segui and Jason Grimsley.

btw, I'm really not trying to trash David Ortiz. I actually like him, well, I like him as much as I can given that he's a RS. If he was an Oriole, I would probably donate a kidney to him if he needed it.

by birdman on Dec 5, 2007 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and

in thinking about this more, the fact that his durability improved drastically may not bode well either. Sure he's being DHed more but hgh is suppose to have super healing powers.

by birdman on Dec 5, 2007 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ortiz improved because

Of a hitting coach in Boston that taught him how to hit outside pitches for ave and power. From what I've read he tried to pull everything even outside stuff. Then add a great line up and you have a stud in big pappa

by merdon1332000 on Dec 5, 2007 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Durability?

Wasn't he barely able to move by the end of the season?

"If a bum like Aubrey Huff has that much fun, can you imagine how cool it must be to be a real baseball player?" - Rick Maese

by duck on Dec 5, 2007 6:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Durability?

"Wasn't he barely able to move by the end of the season?"

Well, HGH doesn't make you into superman. You can still have injuries while on HGH. But instead of going on the DL, you walk around with stiff knees or whatever.

by birdman on Dec 5, 2007 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hgh

sure did wonders for david segui.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 5, 2007 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hgh

"sure did wonders for david segui."

Hey, he was on doctor orders to treat a hormone deficiency! But to be serious, Grimsley came from TJ surgery in record time which he (or was it Segui?) attributed to HGH. And it's just not them either, I believe other players have mentioned the healing properties of HGH. Correct me if I'm wrong but Williams and Fainaru-wada mention this in Game of Shadows.

by birdman on Dec 5, 2007 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Forget about Ortiz and Schilling

It's the MITCHELL report!

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Dec 5, 2007 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Comrade Sluggo! Are you implying...

that Mitchell "Report" is like Russian "election"?!? We are resembling that remark!

Vanya & Nika,
Still sobering up after multiple "voting"

I was going to contribute to the Alberto Gonzales Defense Fund, but I forgot.

by Titov on Dec 6, 2007 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, here's hoping

that Mitchell is more Chavez than Putin.

Even if he doesn't like what he finds, he'll be willing to live with the results.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Dec 6, 2007 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

O's

Gibbons
Tejada
Mora

Sheets
d. ortiz
Gullien (jose)
Mathews jr.
Kotchman

BE HAPPY DONT BE SAD THE ORIOLES CANT REALLY BE ALL THAT BAD!

by westcoastOfan on Dec 4, 2007 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Does it have to be currect O's

if not I go

Sammy
Raffy
Jay Gibbons

if current I say

Miggy
Jay Gibbons
Brian Roberts

The big Five

Bonds
Kenny Rogers
Albert Pujols
Gary Sheffield
Jason Giambi

by merdon1332000 on Dec 4, 2007 8:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

this is fun

O's: Tejada, Gibbons, Payton

The obvious: Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield, Sosa, Jose Guillen

Bonus five: Eric Gagne, Troy Glaus, Ivan Rodriguez, Hank Blalock, Rich Aurilia

FUCK MASCOT MILLAR and HORSESHIT HUFF

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 4, 2007 9:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

bizarro world picks

Os:

Brandon Fahey
Freddy Bynum
Radhames Liz

league-wide:

Sal Fasano
Ronny Cedeno
D'Angelo Jimenez
Cliff Floyd
Davis Romero

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 4, 2007 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

what fun

I guess we may as well make a game of this for now.

Tejada
Mora
Gibbons

I could honestly name more that I think will be on the list, but I don't want to.

I don't want to list the obvious either. Hey I bet Jason Giambi's on it! No shit.

Another five: Pudge Rodriguez, Cliff Floyd, Ryan Klesko, Jeff Kent, Marcus Giles

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 5, 2007 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

is there a way...

...to write "Brian Roberts" in invisible ink on the internets?

Please don't kill me 2632.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 5, 2007 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

One drug cabinet, emptying out!

Orioles:

Jay "The Shrivelee" Gibbons
B-12 Miggi
Hyper-Attentive Fred Manfra

Non-Orioles:

Oblivious Bud Selig
Hopped-up Hankus Steinbrenner
Screechin' Suzyn Waldman
Ken ("He drugged") Harrelson
Barry Bonds' lawyer, on leftovers

I was going to contribute to the Alberto Gonzales Defense Fund, but I forgot.

by Titov on Dec 5, 2007 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

you know...

i think manfra is pretty useless, but i applaud your consistent, over the top skewering of him. it's of simpson v. flanders proportions!

kudos, sir.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 5, 2007 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thx, jq. At least the ragging is consistent.

'Course, if it's true that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds," then our guy Fredo may be called pretty darn consistent too. I mean, he is consistently late on the calls, I have to give him that. And when he finally checks in, it's without anything illuminating to say; that's consistency too.

I really feel for Joe Angel: besides having to carry the analytical ball (not that there's so much to analyze), he often has to wait for Fred to get a joke...and is simply too decent a fella to say "Um, that was a joke, Fred."

It's not Manfra's fault he's not John Miller, of course, but somehow I can't forgive him for taking JM's place. Or Petey for making that happen. And speaking of trolls, I assume that the reason Fredo hasn't long since become the Voice of the Bowie Baysox is that Petey is either (a) determined to make everybody think this guy is legit (as Charles Foster Kane is determined to make his "singer" an opera star); or (b) genuinely convinced that FM is just doin' a heckuva job. It wouldn't be the first ginormous error in judgment Petey has made.

Is the session over already? OK, thank you, doctor, I'll see you next week.

I was going to contribute to the Alberto Gonzales Defense Fund, but I forgot.

by Titov on Dec 5, 2007 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs