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A look at the Norfolk Tides

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The AAA Tides kick off their season tonight with a game at home against Buffalo, so let's take a quick look at our boys in Norfolk.

The rotation should be a strong point, with (from left to right) Radhames Liz, Garrett Olson, Hayden Penn, Jon Leicester and James/Jim Johnson. All of them are at the point in their careers where they're available to be called up -- for some, that's good news, but for Leicester in particular, not so much.

I do root for Jon Leicester, who was once a high-ceiling prospect in the Cubs organization during the Wellemeyer/Mitre period, but he's never delivered on that ceiling. He went 0-11 with a 6.78 season in his last season with the University of Memphis, but was drafted in the 11th round of the 2000 draft just because he had really good stuff. Through the minor leagues, Leicester never once had a dominant season, though he fairly frequently had flashes of true potential. He smoked the International League last year while in Norfolk (3-3, 2.22/1.08, 65 IP), but struggled as usual once in the big leagues, posting a 7.59 ERA in 32 innings.

He was in the running for the fifth spot in the rotation this spring, but finished a distant third to Brian Burres and Matt Albers. It was to be expected. As far as the Norfolk rotation goes, Leicester is the one who probably, if you want to be honest about it, tops out at the level he's at. He's 29 now; if he was going to make a major league impact, he probably would have done it by now, though he might have a nice relief season or three in his arm.

Jim Johnson had a 4.07/1.43 ERA/WHIP at Norfolk last season, which was a big, big disappointment. As Baseball Prospectus put it, he's "the same pitcher he was three years ago; that made him one of the better pitchers in A-ball in 2005, but he was supposed to build on that, not stall." Johnson turns 25 in June. He'll need an impressive season.

Liz, Olson and Penn have already been discussed here recently. They should be a really strong front three for the Tides.

The Norfolk 'pen is filled with emergency call-up guys like Esteban Yan, Lance Cormier and Roberto Novoa. There's really nothing special there, except perhaps, maybe, for Bob McCrory.

As far as the position players go...well, that's a different story.

Only Mike Costanzo (pictured) is likely to really make any impact on the major league club. This is a pitching-heavy, hitting-light system, and Norfolk is your run-of-the-mill Triple-A team filled with minor league veterans and major league flameouts.

Among the flameouts is Tike Redman, a 31-year old ex-Pirates prospect who had numerous chances in Pittsburgh to win a major league job and never did so. After being out of the majors in 2006, Redman found himself in the independent boondocks last year before the O's signed him and assigned him to the Tides. At Norfolk, Redman hit .304/.372/.416 in 336 plate appearances, which is nothing special for a 30-year old outfielder who's had plenty of Triple-A experience, but it got him a trip to Baltimore for 139 PAs, where he hit an inspiring .318/.341/.462 and stole seven bases in eight attempts. He's not someone you should expect anything from (.253/.287/.327 at AAA Toledo in 2006, for instance), but good luck to him.

He'll be sharing the outfield most nights, I'd guess, with the returning Luis Terrero and Sebastien Boucher. Terrero, 28, hit .318/.367/.560 for Ottawa in 2006, but struggled between the White Sox and Charlotte last year. He's back in the O's system as a Triple-A filler.

I figure Boucher will get more PT than Adam Stern and Chris Roberson, but I could be wrong. And it also doesn't really matter. Stern's career highlight will forever be that inside the park home run against the United States in the World Baseball Classic, and Roberson can't play. Boucher has some wheels, like the other two, but is slightly younger. We got him in the John Parrish deal last year. None of them are going to be major league contributors, though Boucher has some nice on-base skills (.372 OBP in his minor league career).

The infield's best player, past Costanzo, is recent free agent pickup Alex Cintron, who is almost certainly going to be in Baltimore as soon as possible. Cintron is nothing special at all, but he beats the hell out of Luis Hernandez and Brandon Fahey, which is more unfortunate than anything. The O's probably want Hernandez to be able to play, but once he's past proving that he can't, Cintron will take his job. And Fahey is only there because the Cubs signed and released Cintron before the season started. If Alex had signed with the Orioles to begin with, he'd be in Baltimore right now.

33-year old Chris Heintz and Omir Santos will handle the catching duties. Heintz has been plugging away in the sticks since '96, when the White Sox drafted him. To put that into perspective, that was the second-to-last year the Orioles made the playoffs. The only way either of these guys sees major league time this year will be if Ramon or Quiroz live up to their reps and get hurt.

AAA is generally not the most exciting or interesting level of a minor league system, and that's true here, as well. It's a holding zone for fringe major leaguers in most cases. But 3/5 of this rotation could have beaten out Brian Burres this spring and I'd have been OK with that. That's something to pay attention to.

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CC.com's Fairly Well-Informed Top 20 O's Prospects

Matt Wieters, C

One of the things I want to try to do with Camden Chat this season is focus more on what's happening down on the farm. All things considered, that's a huge part of the story of the Baltimore Orioles these days, which is a great, great thing. 

In the past, there just hasn't been a whole lot to talk about. Now, maybe there is.

I don't claim to be a great prospects brain or anything like that -- this is a list composed simply because I like making lists, I like prospect talk, and I can read stat sheets and scouting reports the same as any of you can. If you want to get better in-depth prospect analysis, I highly recommend, as always, John Sickels' Minor League Ball or Baseball Prospectus, among many others.

First off, there's one guy I left off that makes every O's list, and that's Jim Hoey. There is not a bigger non-believer in Hoey than me, probably. I firmly admit this, and you're free to think I'm an idiot. He's at least fairly well regarded by almost everyone else. Anyone who's seen Hoey pitch knows that he's got a big fastball that is straight as an arrow and nothing else. He's the new Matt Anderson. I'd be pleased as punch if Hoey proved me wrong, but I don't think that's happening.

Without any further ado, let's get talking about the kids that'll be spending most of their days in Norfolk, Bowie, Frederick, or Delmarva, plus a couple of cats that are already on the O's but haven't quite passed out of prospectdom just yet.

20. Bob McCrory, RHP

He's 26 years old and has lost a lot of time to elbow injuries. I still like him better than Hoey. He's on the 40-man roster.
 

19. Randor Bierd, RHP

Nice Rule 5 pickup from the Tigers, he put up a 5-to-1 K-to-BB ratio at Double-A Erie last season and is just 24. Bierd and I share the same birthday, too, which I just now found out -- he's exactly two years younger than I am. So happy belated, Randor, and congrats on making the team! Enjoy your sharp new suit.

18. Matt Albers, RHP

Already in the show last season with the Astros, he still came into 2008 more a prospect than anything else. He looked good in his O's debut on Opening Day, relieving a spent Jeremy Guthrie and at least holding down the fort at a 6-2 disadvantage. He went 4-11, 5.86/1.60 with Houston in 110 2/3 innings pitched in 2007. He'll wind up in the O's rotation before too long if Brian Burres lives up to his reputation.

17. Scott Moore/Mike Costanzo, 3B

They are the exact same player.

Moore was born on November 17, 1983; Costanzo was born on September 9, 1983.
Moore's career minor league line is .260/.348/.449. Costanzo's is .266/.364/.456.
Moore is 6'2"; Costanzo is 6'3".
Both bat left, throw right.
Both were willing to try any position necessary this spring. Costanzo gave catching a shot, while Moore was all over the place.

Moore was a nice pickup from the Cubs in the Trax trade, and we got Costanzo as part of the Tejada package, seemingly a throw-in more than anything else.

I have no idea how any system can have both of these players, but the Orioles have done it. The difference now is that Costanzo is a Norfolk Tide, while Moore is with the big club. We will also owe Scott Moore a debt of gratitude for being the player that pushed Jay Gibbons into the land of in-season free agency.

16. Pedro Beato, RHP

Got heavier last year, and lost some zip on his heater as a result, which led to him having a rather "ehhhh" sort of season at Delmarva (4.05/1.39, 106 K in 142 1/3 IP). He's 21, but that's not a promising season at all. We'll see what he does in '08 before rushing to any real judgment.

15. David Hernandez, RHP

23 years old. Gets strikeouts. Fastball/slider guy. Pitches a good amount of innings. Sickels says he has "sleeper potential," and the Prospectus regards him as a guy that might be "a few adjustments from taking off," or a guy that might never make them and thus never do anything noteworthy. I get all caught up in lesser-known guys with "sleeper potential," which is why I really liked Nate Spears. Judge for yourself whether or not that's a good thing.

14. Brandon Erbe, RHP

One of the great mysteries in minor league baseball last season was just how and why the young 2005 third-rounder was so terrible for the Keys -- 6.26 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, 14 homers allowed and 62 walks in 119 1/3 innings. The O's say they're working on his mechanics and all that jazz, but isn't every 20-year old pitcher working on his mechanics? He's still very, very young, but it's hardly encouraging for anyone as well-regarded as he was out of high school to bomb that hard at in A-ball. At 6'4", Erbe is no longer among the system's very tallest pitchers.

 

13. Brandon Snyder, 1B

Snyder is still only 21 -- in fact, he could only legally buy a beer in this country last November. He had an OKish sort of season at Delmarva last year (.283/.354/.422, 11 HR, 118 G) that won't get anyone excited but isn't rights for dismissal just yet either. It wasn't but a couple of years ago that Snyder came into the draft regarded by many as the best high school hitter out there. He was a catcher then, had a brief affair with third base, and now he's over at first. At every position he's been trying, he's now blocked by one of two guys, most likely. I really like Snyder because of that time his mom posted on CC (and just because I was excited about the O's finally making a draft pick that was worth getting excited over), but the realistic side of this is he'll need more power to carry first base, and he's not going to be catching. He's one of my favorite players in the system. And he whomped ass in the Hawaiian Winter League, which re-fueled my hopes for Snyder's future.

12. Troy Patton, LHP

No matter how the Birds or anyone else spin it, Patton losing the 2008 season due to the dreaded fabrum bear is not good. It's also nothing to take lightly. Andy MacPhail and everyone else can say, "Aw, we knew he was hurt," and then the beat writers can go, "Wow! That must mean he's really somethin' else! If they traded for him as the centerpiece of a major deal! And knew he was hurt the whole time!"

That sort of makes the beat writers Ham Porter to Andy MacPhail's Squints. "You guys, he knew he was gonna do it the whole time!"

Does this put Patton into the role of the absurdly-named Wendy Peffercorn? I always imagined that Wendy Peffercorn would go on to live a normal, happy life while not doing anything particularly special, so I fear that Patton just might be Wendy after all is said and done, married to Andy MacPhail.

11. Tim Bascom, RHP

Fine college pitcher at Central Florida, he started his pro career with indy league Bradenton before the O's picked him up and shuttled him off to Delmarva, where he did pretty damn well for an undrafted free agent (3.74/1.25 in 67 1/3). Another good story type of guy, easy to pull for. Plus, his name sort of sounds like Tim Lincecum.

10. Hayden Penn, RHP

Penn's first stint in the majors was not impressive, and the second time around in '06 was even worse. But he wasn't ready for it either. He was killing at Ottawa in 2006 before he got hurt, and pitched in only four games last year at Norfolk, plus five in rookie ball on a rehab assignment. As crazy as it sounds, I like Penn more now than I did in 2005 when he was considered to be our top pitching prospect. To be fair, it could just be that I fear this happening again.

Tony Butler, LHP

9. Tony Butler, LHP

The third-most promising of the guys we got from the Mariners, Butler is 20 years old, 6-foot-7, and has yet to pitch above Low-A ball. He's got a good fastball but needs plenty of work on his secondary stuff. Lots of scouts really like him, but most scouts are going to get behind any 6'7" lefty with heat. Plus I can't pass up an opportunity to show Butler in his Aquasox get-up. To quote our own zknower, "What was it, free bong-hit night?"

8. Chorye Spoone, RHP

Under most circumstances, I wouldn't get behind someone named "Chorye Spoone" as a viable major league player in the future. "Chorye Spoone" looks like the name of a very marginal NBA role player who has a brief 15 minutes of fame as a fan favorite for hitting a game-winning jumper or playing tight D on the opposing team's star one night, or the name of a gimmicky college quarterback at a small 1-A school who leads them into a fourth-tier bowl game to get manhandled by Minnesota or Cincinnati. But he improved dramatically in 2007, posting a 3.26/1.15 line at Frederick after going 3.56/1.53 at Delmarva the year before. His K-to-BB was drastically better (133-to-67 after 90-to-80), he gave up way less hits, and his groundball percentage was seven and a half points better -- he is a groundball pitcher, so that's good. I still don't know about his name, but I'm believing for the time being.

7. Garrett Olson, LHP

When I was a kid I knew a dude named Garrett, big ol' fat young man, generally a really nice dude, but kind of rough around the edges, too. He had a strange way of speaking. Once, at the Glad-Peach Festival in Coloma, Michigan, Garrett showed to me with great pride his new chain wallet. "It's got a e-goo on it," he said. It had an eagle on it, indeed.

That's why I like Garrett Olson. Plus he had nice numbers in AAA last year.

(For those mildly interested, the Glad-Peach Festival is named because of the town's peach output, as well as something to do with gladiolus, which I've never figured out, really, because it's not like there's a great abundance of them as far as I could ever tell. The festival is held in a town with a population of roughly 2,000, its greatest asset being Paw Paw Lake, a small body of water that is home to mostly Chicagoan-owned summer houses, and used to be a place of great Al Capone significance, or at least some Capone significance.

The festival is, historically, a one-street hillbilly brawl. I love it.)

6. Chris Tillman, RHP

Don't pay much attention to his A-ball numbers. This dude was born the same year that the Orioles started off 0-21. He's got real deal type of stuff. Also, the California League is heaven for batsmen, and not so much for the hurlers. His control is spotty, but he's young and immature physically, at 6'5" and a listed 195 pounds. It'll be years before we catch a whiff of him at Camden Yards, but here's looking forward to it.

5. Jake Arrieta, RHP

The Orioles took a calculated risk on Arrieta by drafting him in the fifth round after a bust senior season at TCU, giving him and agent Scott Boras first round money. He slaughtered the Arizona Fall League, has a big, sturdy frame (6'4", 225), and is a polished college product that could work his way up through the system like a bolt of lightning. I think the O's made a very wise decision to snap Arrieta up when they had the chance.

4. Nolan Reimold, OF

I know I've been skeptical toward Reimold in the past, and I still suggest than anyone should be. But for pure hitting ability, Reimold has the goods. After displaying "pretty good" power for a while, Reimold killed the ball at Bowie while healthy in '07, hitting .300/.365/.565 in 203 plate appearances. He's not a big batting average guy, but he's shown good patience at every level and his power keeps getting better. At 24, some might have hoped for more from him at this point. Injuries are the only thing holding him back, but injuries are also a real holder-back.

3. Radhames Liz, RHP

Have you noticed how many pitchers are on the list? This is the last one. While the system is pretty dry for position prospects, the pitching is in fine shape, and Liz is perhaps the best of the bunch right now. He's the one that combines ceiling and readiness the best at this point, as he still has room for real improvement, but has also already seen the bright lights of The Show, and had a fairly legit chance to win a rotation spot this spring -- or, at least, as much chance as guys like Penn did. Liz is 25, so he should really get a move on, and the Orioles should see what they've got. He put up a 6.92 ERA in 24 2/3 IP for the O's last season, but big deal. He's got his command problems, like basically everyone else in the system, but big deal. So does Daniel Cabrera, and they keep letting him take the mound. His long-term future may be in the bullpen, where his electric fastball could make him a legit shutdown late-innings guy. But here's hoping we get a starter out of him. You've gotta like his arm.

2. Billy Rowell, 3B

Richie Sexson! He could be like Richie Sexson! He's tall! He strikes out a lot! Bats lefty, throws righty, he has real problems actually batting lefties. He will eventually wind up at first base after being drafted as a shortstop out of high school. He'll get all the hometown favoritism possible, most likely. Rowell upstaged Snyder; Wieters upstaged Rowell. But Billy's still a damn good prospect.

1. Matt Wieters, C

Duh. All this dealing with Scott Boras is good, I figure. To get in good with Boras can't be bad, considering the type of talent he represents. Wieters was regarded by many as the best player in the 2007 draft out of Georgia Tech (also producers of Jason Varitek), did pretty well (.283/.364/.415) for Honolulu alongside Snyder this winter, and he has it all. He's a plus defender, a guy who can hit for average, and he has power. He could be not far off from competing with Joe Mauer every year for the starting catcher spot on the American League All-Star team. He's that good.

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