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Random Oriole: Chris Hoiles

I was actually planning to post this over a month ago, but then I tried to get into contact with Chris to maybe line up an interview. It didn't happen, so I'm just going ahead with this now. Oddly, I was also going to post it last night but decided to hold off until today, and Javy Lopez broke his hand in the meantime.

My biggest reason for choosing Chris Hoiles (outside of the fact that he existed in my lifetime; I don't think I'll do one of these on Boog Powell or anything) is that I, and I've found several others, share the same somewhat odd opinion: Chris Hoiles is the greatest Orioles catcher of all-time. It's not odd in that there's not a very good argument for it, but think about that. Chris Hoiles? Really?

Yeah, really, Chris Hoiles. Hoiles spent his entire major league career with Baltimore after being drafted by the Tigers out of Eastern Michigan University in 1986 (19th round). He was traded in '88 with players to be named in exchange for a pretty worn-out Fred Lynn. The players included later were Cesar Mejia and Robinson Garces, neither of whom ever made the majors. So, for all intents and purposes, Hoiles was traded straight up for Lynn.

Now Fred Lynn was a damn good ballplayer for a number of years, but by the time he got to Baltimore he was 33. He did give us some OK ball, but he was old, beaten up, and hurt frequently. His best Baltimore season, 1986, saw him hit .287/.371/.499 in 112 games. Lynn was of no use to the dreadful O's in '88, so off he went.

Hoiles played for Bristol of the Appalachian League in '86, hitting .320/.395/.565 over 253 at-bats, showing some pretty decent plate discipline and a lot of power. He jumped to Glen Falls (Double-A Eastern League) in '88 and did fair enough at .276/.342/.411. He started 1988 with Glen Falls again and tore the league up before a late-season move to Toledo, where he struggled.

His Oriole career began with Rochester in 1989, and he was pretty disappointing. He had a cup of coffee with the O's that same season. In 1990, he destroyed the International League at a .348/.449/.656 clip over 247 at-bats. He was 25 and seemed ready. He had another brief taste of the bigs, and then starting in 1991 he was up full-time.

From there, Hoiles was generally the No. 1 catcher on the club for the next eight seasons. Injuries caused him to never play 130 games in a season, and only four times did he play over 100, though the rest of the seasons were 96, 99, 99 and 97 games. In '91, he hit .243/.304/.384 with 11 homers in 107 games, and jumped to .274/.384/.506 with 20 homers in 1992, when he played just 96 games.

Hoiles' best season, without any question, was 1993. At age 28, Hoiles hit .310, with a .416 on-base percentage, and slugged .585 with 29 homers and 82 RBI. 1993 set his career high for everything, basically. It was one of the great catcher seasons offensively of all time, really.

The rest of his career, he was a fine power-hitting catcher who got on base and did his part in the lineup, every single year. He was hurt a lot, and he was never considered a strong defensive catcher, but Hoiles did his job and did it well. For his major league career, he hit .262/.366/.467 with 151 homers and 449 RBI.

Now about being the best Oriole catcher ever. There are arguments to be made for both Rick Dempsey and Gus Triandos. Frankly, Javy Lopez may well be the best catcher overall (probably is), but I'm just taking into account Oriole careers here.

Triandos, like Hoiles, was a power-hitting catcher, but Hoiles was a better hitter. Triandos was also called "the slowest player of the 1950s" by Bill James. Triandos' career was also slowed greatly by being stuck in the Yankee system for too long.

Dempsey was a great defensive catcher and all-around good guy, but the man couldn't hit. Ideally, you have Dempsey around to back up a guy like Hoiles.

There aren't a whole lot of other worthwhile candidates throughout Oriole history. Tettleton played only three years with the O's, and really reached his peak in Detroit anyway.

So you're down to Dempsey, Triandos and Hoiles. Who do you take? I take Hoiles for the offensive production he's capable of. Hoiles and Dempsey both had 113 career Win Shares (by James) as Orioles. Their WARP-3 (by Clay Davenport of Baseball Prospectus) sees Dempsey with a minor advantage, 51 to 48, but Dempsey also played in a ton more games. Dempsey was also the 1983 World Series MVP, which would win him (deserved) nostalgia points, but I'm trying to ignore that sort of thing. Triandos, for what it's worth, is at 107/37 in WS and WARP-3.

I've always found it strange that Hoiles was not mentioned in the latest James Abstract among the top 100 (or even 125) catchers. Dempsey, for what it's worth, is ranked 43rd, and Triandos 56th. Hoiles is never mentioned, while such luminaries as Mike Heath, Tom Pagnozzi and Ron Karkovice, all listed in the 101-125 notes at the end of the catcher chapter. Why? Hoiles couldn't possibly have been that bad defensively, could he? He was so much better than any of those three as a hitter (frankly, better than all three combined) that it just seems puzzling to me. Even Brian Harper is listed at No. 99, and really Hoiles was a much better player than Harper, too. James notes Harper's poor throwing arm to boot, and basically makes it clear that all Harper could do in his major league career was hit .300. Harper has 30 points on Hoiles in career average, but that's it.

Was he disqualified simply for not having enough playing time? That would seem odd, because time or not, Hoiles was better than a lot of the catchers listed, at least in my estimation.

Anyway, here's a salute to Chris Hoiles, who gave us a lot of good years and unfortunately retired early, while he was still an offensive contributor. Better health may have seen Hoiles hit 300 or more homers, but we'll never know.

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A shocking opinion
I'm going to add something that will probably raise some hackles.  Chris was actually a very good defensive catcher in areas other than throwing.  Obviously, Chris threw like Piazza and Dempsey had a cannon in his prime.

I other catching areas, however, I'd take Hoiles.  He was big enough to block the plate effectively, blocked balls expertly with sound fundamentals and seemed to control his pitching staffs.

Dempsey was a tough one and fan favorite, but was a little small for plate blocking and tended to like to "put one finger down" with fast runners on base since the fastball gave him a better chance to throw out runners.  He rubbed several of our pitchers, especially Dennis Martinez, the wrong way with Dennis preferring to throw to Dave Skaggs.

Hoiles was a victim of his large contract.  Once he took the money, fans expected him to suddenly be an all-around great catcher with a 50% throw out rate.  His streaky hitting, often being stuck below Mendoza until mid-summer, didn't help either.

If we could combine Gil's arm with the rest of Hoiles' game, we wouldn't be so worried about the next six weeks.

by howie14 on May 25, 2005 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Elrod Hendricks
The years 1968 to 1972, would be hard to classify anything but great for the O's.  Elrod, was special and continues as an O today!

by DR common on May 25, 2005 7:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Hendricks-number 10 in those days
Elrod was a good LH stick who could pull the ball down the 309 pretty well.

He was always platooned and most of us thought Etche was the better defensive catcher.

by howie14 on May 25, 2005 10:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hoiles being clutch
I feel the same way you do SC.  I grew up with Hoiles being the catcher, and he was always one of my favorite players for the O's.  What I used to love so much about his game was his clutch hitting.  I remember watching the game on TV and hearing the commentators talk about whatever slump he was in.  Right then, he would come up with a big single, double, or homerun.  One in particular, I remember the best, but I don't remember when it was or who it was against.  He was up at the plate with the bases full, and the commentators were saying that he wouldn't be able to hit one out of the park.  Right after the commentators were finished bashing Hoiles, he hit a grand slam.  Then they started praising him.  It so great because Chris made them eat their words like he knew the commentators were talking about him.
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by helimech24 on May 25, 2005 10:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Two things come to mind when I think about Hoiles
1 - He owned Randy Johnson.  I mean he OWNED him.  Randy feared Chris Hoiles.  We should sign Chris Hoiles to 1 day contracts when we have to face him.

2 - That damn wet noodle of an arm he had.  He couldn't throw out my grandmother.  Seriously, I remember one time against Chicago, Harold Baines stole 2nd off Hoiles.  HAROLD BAINES.  And this was after Baines' first stint with the O's.  I don't think the guy had any of his original knees at that point.

But ya, Hoiles did have a great career here, and he was very productive as a catcher, with more than occasional pop.  He may not have been Javy Lopez, but he could hit pretty decently.

Oh, wait, I almost forgot...there is a third thing I think about when I think about Chris Hoiles.

One time, against Seattle, he came up in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded, 2 outs, and the Birds down by three.  He ran the count full, then hit the grand slam that we all imagined ourselves hitting in that situation when we were kids.  It was so unbelievably cheesy I couldn't believe it actually happened.

"No Fear" shirts were popular around that time, and I remember the baseball one which had that exact situation written on it.  I called that the Chris Hoiles shirt after that.  Probably the coolest home run ever hit to win a regular season game.

by GrimReefa on May 26, 2005 1:19 AM EDT   0 recs

Sorry to disagree...
and I liked Chris Hoiles, but he was a liability behind the plate. Teams ran all over the O's when he their catcher. A better defensive catcher might have pushed us to the next level in '96 or '97.

by rebop on May 26, 2005 11:17 AM EDT   0 recs

Throwing...
...isn't all there is to catching.  God knows Gil proves that every game he plays.

Chris threw like Piazza-the guy a lot of people want us to waste a lot of money and players on now.  It was, admittedly, a horrible deficiency.  It would have been nice to have a great throwing, defensive backup, but Lenny Webster wasn't that.

Chris was a poor throwing catcher, not a poor defensive catcher.  Geronimo is a good throwing catcher whom I would describe as a poor defensive catcher.

by howie14 on May 26, 2005 10:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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