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The 40 Greatest Orioles of All-Time - No. 5 - Frank Robinson

5. Frank Robinson, OF (1966-1971)

1966 American League MVP
1966 American League Triple Crown
1966 World Series MVP
All-Star: 1966, 1967, 1969, 1970, 1971

Right out of the way immediately: Frank Robinson is the best player to ever wear an Orioles uniform. Bar none. Better than all of them. His Oriole career was six seasons long, though, so he doesn't rank as the greatest Oriole. But overall careers, he's the best. 2943 hits, 586 homers, .294/.389/.537 line. His 162 game averages were 34 homers and 105 RBI. He was a phenomenal hitter.

Robinson, of course, came to Baltimore in the greatest Orioles trade ever, for Milt Pappas, Jack Baldschun and Dick Simpson. Robinson was about to turn 30, had just hit .296/.386/.540 with 33 homers and 113 RBI for the Reds, and they decided that he was ready to go downhill.

He did, a little. Eventually. In 1966, his first year in Baltimore, he won the American League MVP award and the Triple Crown, hitting .316 with 49 homers and 122 RBI. He also had a .410 on-base percentage and slugged .637, with 34 doubles, 182 hits and 122 runs scored. The 49 homers were a career high for Robinson.

But he did get a little worse after that, struggling some with injuries. He hit .311/.403/.576 with 30 homers and 94 RBI in 129 games in 1967, and struggled to .268 with 15 homers in 130 games in 1968, but the thing there is '68 was the big pitching season, so Robinson's down year was still miles ahead of the league average. His first two seasons as an Oriole are the two best offensive seasons by adjusted OPS+ that Baltimore has ever seen, with scores of 199 and 188. The rest of his Oriole career, he was at 153, 165, 151, and 153.

He rebounded in 1969 to hit .308/.415/.540 with 32 homers and 100 RBI, and hit 25 and 28 homers in his final two seasons. He was simply a tremendous hitter the likes of which Baltimore had not seen before, year-in and year-out, and has not really seen since, even with some great hitters coming through and having superb careers.

Robinson was ranked by Bill James as the third-best right fielder in baseball history, of course behind only Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Instead of a proper write-up in the book, James put together a few quotes about Frank Robinson, which I'll reprint here.

"He plays the game the way the great ones played it -- out of pure hate." - Jim Murray

"He was a super guy who didn't give anybody any trouble. He got along well with the sportswriters. What could they write bad about him? He was an outstanding player." - Art Fowler in We Played the Game by Danny Peary

"There were several black players on the Reds [but] only Frank Robinson emerged as a leader. He was a quiet guy, but he was definitely a leader because everyone admired him." - Johnny Klippstein in We Played the Game by Danny Peary

"I thought that Frank was a terrible example for a young team off the diamond because of his social behavior. He could be very crude. There was a lot of drinking on that team, period, and Frank did nothing to help the situation." - Joe Tait in The Curse of Rocky Colavito by Terry Pluto

Frank Robinson was a great player immediately. He was 20 years old when he came out of nowhere to hit .290/.379/.558 with 38 homers for the 1956 Reds.

Most similar player to Frank Robinson by similarity score is Rafael Palmeiro, though the two are not all that close. No one is really like Frank Robinson. After Palmeiro comes Mel Ott, Reggie Jackson, Willie Mays, Dave Winfield, Al Kaline, Eddie Murray, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds and Jimmie Foxx. Of course, only Palmeiro and Bonds are not already in the Hall of Fame. Robinson himself was elected to the Hall in 1982.

Robinson also took over as the manager of the dreadful '88 Orioles, after Cal Ripken, Sr., was fired. He then led the miraculous '89 turnaround team that went 87-75 a year after going 54-107, and stayed on through a somewhat disappointing 76-85 year in 1990. He was fired 37 games into the 1991 season, with the Orioles at 13-24. Robinson's managerial career started in 1975 with the Indians, where he was player/manager, and he did the same thing in 1976. In 1977, he was just the manager, and was fired after starting 26-31. He managed the Giants from 1981-1984 as well.

His best managerial job, outside of the '89 Orioles, is the job he's done since taking over the Expos in 2002. Let's be serious: Getting that team to .500 three out of four years is no small feat. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the things he does as a manager there, but it's worked outside of 2004.

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didnt get get beaned in the head causing his vision to suffer in the latter portion of his Oriole days?

by dtran2k3 @ Camden Chat on Mar 15, 2006 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...
I take your point about the "only six years" thing, but I was still expecting Frank to outrank Eddie Murray.  Great write-up, though.

by punkrawka on Mar 15, 2006 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Wha wha WHAT
Murray spent 12 years with the O's all quality and only 2 with less than 500 AB (and one of those was 495 AB). He always got around 30 HR, 100 RBI batted around 300 with an OBP of around 380 and he's best years were with the O's. Frank spent 6 years with the O's 4 times with less than 400 AB (only one with less than 450 though) He had one REALLY good year (his triple crown year) and while the rest were good they were no better than Murray (a noticebly higher OBP though). Murray had a longer stay with the O's than Frank and except for that one year were pretty even in productivity. Although I'm not sure how theyd match up compared to league average. Plus I always liked Murray more.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Mar 15, 2006 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

His 6 years...
...are enough for me to put him over Murray, as much as I love Eddie...and Ripken, as much as I don't care for him.  This guy was the missing link for our franchise.  The guy that put us over the top and started the run that turned the O's into one of the Marquis clubs of the 60s and 70s.  

As Brooks put it, "He solidified the club. We became a great team when he came to know us and how much he could do for all of us".  Damn Straight.

He was unquestionably the greatest hitter that ever played for us.  But the best player?  I don't know...one man, despite his grating personality, looms very, very large...

by Jonnypops on Mar 15, 2006 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

And who might that be?
Mr. Palmer I would guess.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Mar 15, 2006 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And by the way
as far as greatest players to dawn an O's uniform Albert Belle would be someone to be mentioned. While I think there is no way he is the greatest you have to think that he COULD HAVE because had his career not been cut short who knows.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Mar 15, 2006 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

re:
I don't know...one man, despite his grating personality, looms very, very large...

If you're comparing Jim Palmer to Frank Robinson in terms of greatness, I have two responses:

  1. Please.
  2. I'll get to Palmer tomorrow.
"My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.'" - Earl Weaver

by Scott Christ on Mar 15, 2006 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course...
...I am.  Bring it!

by Jonnypops on Mar 15, 2006 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

re:
Palmer is not close to Robinson's level. You're talking about a very good and occasionally great pitcher against one of the 20 or so best players in the history of baseball.
"My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.'" - Earl Weaver

by Scott Christ on Mar 16, 2006 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Jim Palmer...
...was a great pitcher.  Not very good, great.  I'm talking about a guy who beat Sandy Koufax with a complete game shutout in the World Series when he was twenty years old.  That's great.  I'm talking about the Ace on one of the greatest pitching staffs of all time.  That's great.  I'm talking about a guy who brought it for this team for nearly twenty years...winning World Series games for us throughout his career.  That is greatness.  I will never argue against Frank Robinson being one of the greatest, but you can't ignore Palmer.  As arrogant and annoying as he has been over the years.  The guy was one of the best.

by Jonnypops on Mar 16, 2006 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Palmer...
is also the only pitcher to win World Series games in three decades (60s, 70s and 80s). Granted, the 80s one was a win he was credited with in relief, but it is an amazing accomplishment none-the-less. He had a remarkably long and successful career after coming back from a rotator cuff injury that would have ended most pitchers' careers. I don't think his greatness can be questioned.

Also, for better or worse, Palmer helped redefine the modern athlete. Palmer--along with Joe Namath a few others--was among the new breed of athlete that emerged in the 1960s, the temperamental, super-media-celebrity. He was often confrontational with the media, and had a deserved reputation for aloofness. He famously appeared in Jockey underwear ads, pushing the envelope on what was considered appropriate for athletes in terms of how they presented themselves in the public sphere. Palmer opened doors for athletes like Joe Montana, Michael Jordon, Cal Ripken, Dennis Rodman and others, enabling them to make more money from product promotion than for the sport they played.

Still, I agree with SC, and I would rank Robinson ahead of him as a player.

Rankings strictly as a player:

  1. Frank Robinson
  2. Jim Palmer
  3. Eddie Muarry
  4. Cal Ripken
  5. Brooks Robinson
Ranking them as Orioles:
  1. Ripken
  2. Brooks
  3. Palmer
  4. Eddie
  5. Frank
Whatever I think of Ripken as a person (and I have mixed feelings), I think he has meant the most to the franchise in its history. I might be biased by age, but few players have ever become the face of a franchise in the way that Cal did. He kept butts in the seats during some very lean years, and were it not for Cal, I would not be surprised if the Orioles were playing in another town. Brooks also meant more to the franchise than any player of his generation, but perhaps not as much as Cal (again my age bias may be showing here). Orioles fans named their kids and pets after Cal and Brooks with some regularity, and that says a lot about what they meant to both the franchise and the Baltimore area.

Anyway, it seems to me that SC has the top five right, and we can all make a case for different order among them. I'm looking forward to seeing how he arranges the top 3. So far, I agree with him.

by rebop on Mar 16, 2006 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The Greatest Player
Frank Robinson is the greatest ball player to wear an Orioles uniform. He's arguably one of the best players of the 1960's.  Not only for his play in the field, but also for his impact in the clubhouse. His kangaroo court established a winning atmosphere that led to the great Oriole's teams.  Jonnypops beat me to the punch with Brook's quote, but it bears repeating.

"He solidified the club.  We became a great team when he came to know us and how much he could do for all of us." -- Brooks Robinson

Robinson was a winner in Cincinnati, but he was allowed to flourish in Baltimore. I'm thankful I was around and cognizant enough to catch the tail end of that era.

Those lucky enough to see a game in Memorial Stadium would have seen the flag on the left field upper deck where Frank hit one out of the park. As a kid, a trip to a ballgame was not complete without a flag sighting.

"I'd love to see the team be much better." Peter Angelos

by drj on Mar 15, 2006 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

re:
He's arguably one of the best players of the 1960's.

Anyone that would argue against it is nuts.

"My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.'" - Earl Weaver

by Scott Christ on Mar 15, 2006 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

AB
had a great career but his tenure with the O's lasted two and half seasons.  Thus it's unlikely that he would be near any career leaders in any category for the O's given the short time.

by birdman on Mar 15, 2006 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

Frank
Excellent positioning! Frank is deffinately a top 5

by Mike Boehm on Mar 16, 2006 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Another quote
"Going over the hitters it was decided that we should pitch Frank Robinson underground." - Jim Bouton

by howie14 on Mar 20, 2006 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

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