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Memo from me to Kevbo: GET OFF MY PLANE

Traitor.

The game's not over, but really I don't know how much I actually care who wins. Boston's up 3-2 going into the 7th.

Kevin Millar threw out the first pitch. Baltimore Oriole Kevin Millar went to Fenway Park to give the Red Sox mojo because he was a 2004 hero.

2632 noted that Bill Mueller did it last night. My response was, and is, that Bill Mueller is retired from active play. Millar is not. Millar is a member of a rival team of Boston's. Millar should not be out there hugging Doug Mirabelli in front of God and everybody.

A typical, disgusting display!

Normally things like this don't bother me, but what the hell is Kevin Millar doing out there rah-rahing a rival club? Are you kidding me? I hope he's fined for conduct unbecoming an Oriole or some such made up garbage. I understand Kevbo still has friends on the Sox, and he says nice things about us, and in a week I won't give a damn and I'll go back to liking Millar just fine, but this is really sticking in my craw for some reason. It's annoying, is what it is.

Have some pride in your current professional life, Kev. Stop living in the past. You are not a member of the Boston Red Sox. It's over, dude. You are an Oriole. I understand how this might be difficult to deal with, but these pipe dreams of yours aren't going to make your winter any shorter.

(P.S., Sharp designer jeans, though.)

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Fuck Millar!
The pro-Red Sox promo he did for Fox was bad enough....throwing out the 1st pitch at Fenway and reading off the BoSox lineup on TV is too much! If you are an Oriole fan you should hate this loser, HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR WANT TO BE ON YOUR TEAM. He's only here because Boston wouldn't have him back! LOSER

by GeronimoGil on Oct 21, 2007 11:24 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm with you
Pro athletes live in a different world. They don't carry all the baggage that the fans do. They certainly don't have the memory that fans are saddled with (for good or bad). In general, they don't give a damn about fans. Listen closely for how often they include the fans when speaking of the team. Fans that say "we" when referring to any team are delusional. They don't give a shit about YOU.

I accept this fact and I suspect I view games differently that many fans. Not a lot really bothers me, but this strikes me as a breach of ettiquette. Millar is pulling a paycheck from the O's. He's mostly washed up and living in the past. Great. Do it when you don't claim to represent the Orioles and feed us bullshit about wanting to be around. Show some class.

I view this as a little test for MacPhail and the front office. Can anyone think of a case where this has ever happened before? I can't recall any. MacPhail has to dope slap the clown.

by drj on Oct 21, 2007 11:45 PM EDT   0 recs

The only thing
I can think of that is comparable is Derek Lowe and Dave Roberts coming back to Fenway for opening day in 2005, but that's...not really comparable.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Oct 21, 2007 11:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes it is.
I seem to remember Lowe (perhaps Roberts as well) donning a Sox jersey to get his ring, even though he'd joined the Dodgers.
--- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

by EmbassyRow on Oct 22, 2007 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah..
that's not comparable.  They hadn't received their rightful "prizes" yet for winning the world series the year before... in the 04 offseason they moved/were moved on and came back to get their rings.  This isn't like that at all.  This is just a guy going back to his old stomping grounds and very publicly cheering on a division rival 3 YEARS after the fact.  Not the same at all.

Rick Dempsey is the Paris Hilton of Sportsbroadcasting.

by dayzd toe on Oct 22, 2007 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It may not be 100 percent similar...
...but Lowe turning his back on the Dodgers to don a Sox jersey for the event was the same in my eyes as Millar turning his back on the O's to throw out the first pitch.
--- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

by EmbassyRow on Oct 22, 2007 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Except
The Dodgers and the Red Sox arent' divisional rivals. Thats significant.
"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Oct 22, 2007 1:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Being involved
in a postseason game is definitely conduct unbecoming an Oriole.  haha.  j/k.  If I were an Oriole or Oriole fan I would be PO'd!  As it is, I'm mostly baffled and kind of feel bad for Millar but not really.  

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Oct 21, 2007 11:45 PM EDT   0 recs

nice
I hope he's fined for conduct unbecoming an Oriole or some such made up garbage.

The Oriole team is so beyond having any rules, it's kind of ridiculous.  There is infighting (Mora), cheating (Raffy et al), demands to be traded (Miggi)...

It never ends in the theater of the absurd.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Oct 22, 2007 12:17 AM EDT   0 recs

Baffling is right. Sickening is too.
And pathetic. As several souls noted the other day http://www.camdenchat.com/comments/2007/10/20/24741/240/1#1

Again, while there's probably no immediate legal issue here (conflict of interest or fraternization), it's hard to avoid the feeling that there is something, well, Just Not Right about this. One of the principles of professional competitive sports [in which the Orioles are not always involved, as GG noted :) ] is that contestants are expected to demonstrate at least a superficially visible loyalty to their employing organization, which uses that loyalty to help attract and expand a location-specific paying constituency.

When a contestant/employee lends his visible loyalty to a second, competitor franchise, the owner of the first might indeed be justifiably irked-- although in the instance, Petey has plenty to answer for himself, as he has (apparently) catered to that same constituency with a favoritism bordering on the shameful. Anyway, if Petey were to seek redress here (up to and including a severance from the player in question), I wouldn't argue.

Strange days. And meanwhile, how saddening that the Sawx won; their success runs so counter to what's good for baseball.

Even metaphorically speaking, the Warehouse isn't a warehouse. It's an outhouse. What does that make Petey?

by Titov on Oct 22, 2007 1:02 AM EDT   0 recs

for what it's worth
MacPhail approved it: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071021&content_id=2274775&vkey=news_bos&fext=. jsp&c_id=bos
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Oct 22, 2007 1:05 AM EDT   0 recs

re:
This isn't the biggest deak in the world, but I guess MacPhail doesn't understand PR. O's fans are tired of the team being an embarassment. This doesn't help. He could either annoy Millar or the fans who are supposed to want to sit in the seats. He chose to annoy the fans. More of the usual Orioles PR.

by drj on Oct 22, 2007 7:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i understand why everyone is mad
but for me, it's the postseason. we're not playing. there's no conflict of interest. millar played his ass off for us this year, and stepped it up against boston, including a walkoff in august. if he wants to support his friends in boston during the orioles off-season, i'm fine with it.
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Oct 22, 2007 1:09 AM EDT   0 recs

me too
As long as he's not on the field glad-handing with them. He shouldn't be in their clubhouse either. If he wants to GO TO THE GAME, like any other fan of the Boston Red Sox, then I'm not trying to say he can't buy a ticket. But that's how he should go.

by SC on Oct 22, 2007 5:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

me three
I understand why people are pissed though.  Wooderson's (I'm calling Kevbo Wooderson from now on) rah rah speech bothered me more but I'm not terribly pissed about that either.  As long as he plays hard and it doesn't affect the competitive balance between the teams, I'll let it slide.  

by birdman on Oct 22, 2007 4:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re:
I also want to be very clear about this. Here are the notable players from the '04 Sox not on the '07 team that I would not have a problem seeing throw out the first pitch:

Bill Mueller
Keith Foulke
Mark Bellhorn
Pokey Reese
Gabe Kapler
Curt Leskanic

But everyone else, from Millar to Lowe to Pedro to Arroyo to Orlando Cabrera to Johnny Damon to Doug Mientkiewicz to Alan Embree, is kind of weird.

I mean, really, can you imagine the hell that would be getting raised if Johnny Damon had been out there, or even Orlando Cabrera? Just because the Orioles suck shouldn't give Millar a pass to go around playing grab-ass with Doug Mirabelli on the field of play.

It makes Millar look like a chump, for one thing, and it makes the Orioles look bad, which is about the last thing the Orioles need more of. I'm glad Kevin is still beloved by Sox fans, and he always will be. But go throw out first pitches when you're retired and not on a rival team, that's all I'm saying.

by SC on Oct 22, 2007 6:15 AM EDT   0 recs

Is the title of this thread
an Air Force One reference?
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 22, 2007 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good movie
Though the best quote might be Macy saying, utterly shocked, "IT WAS YOU???" right after the traitor shoots someone.

Well, no shit it was him.

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 23, 2007 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

who cares
he lready said he rather stay with the O's then play for a championship team, he's off and can do what he likes

by merdon1332000 on Oct 22, 2007 6:21 AM EDT   0 recs

re:
So do you believe that? Me either. I never really did. Athletes say stuff to try to stay motivated. He's now shown that it was a bunch of baloney.

by drj on Oct 22, 2007 7:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how
lots of players do it and they do it all the time. Just cause his location change don't mean he doesn't care about the team or the people. I think Kevin likes it here and likes the fans enough in Boston to go along with it, plus the O's said it was OK.

by merdon1332000 on Oct 22, 2007 1:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re:
Do what all the time? Root for a rival or say they want to be part of a winner? Sure, I'll believe he'd like to play on a winning team and he happens to be an Oriole. So he'll say what has to be said. As for really liking the team and the fans. Who knows? These current actions speak louder than those words.

by drj on Oct 22, 2007 2:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Void his contract
Pack his shit and get him the fuck out of Baltimore. THIS is inexcusable.

"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.

by duck on Oct 22, 2007 7:41 AM EDT   0 recs

Francona DID NOT want him there
Read between the lines and tell me if Terry wanted him there:
"I don't get it," said Red Sox manager Terry Francona in his pregame press conference. "This is another one of those things where [Millar] can pull it off. He's a member of the Baltimore Orioles, he's going to be spurring on the Red Sox and nobody is going to say a word. He'll probably bring the house down. I don't get it. I love it, but I don't get it. It's Millar.

"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.

by duck on Oct 22, 2007 7:43 AM EDT   0 recs

I said it on the other thread...
...I'll say it again. Kevin Millar is dead to me.

by KenDixonFanClub on Oct 22, 2007 8:51 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah
This is unacceptable.  I don't think any of us ever had any illusions about where he'd prefer to play though. Still, he's On Notice as far as I'm concerned.  If he wants to be with Boston so fucking bad, he should move up there and get a job in the clubhouse cleaning out their jockstraps so he can give us all a more informed opinion about how their asses smell this month.
Friend of the Working Man

by Jonnypops on Oct 22, 2007 8:54 AM EDT   0 recs

Northern Oriole
Chill guys, he got permission. Bill Mueller isn't an active player but he does work in the Dodgers front office as an asst. manager. Pedro Martinez was invited to throw out the ball but the Mets said "no". Expect to see other 04 alums, I'll bet Dave Roberts will be invited too, maybe Lowe & Arroyo. It's just good, clean superstition.

I live with these crazy people, fans who believe Francona is the worst manager ever (we should be so unlucky). I have no problem with a message to these insane fans -- get off the bridge, you have a fine team so quit your bitchin'. The nuts here didn't hear the sarcasm in the statement that we heard & laughed about. And I'm milking the goodwill b/t teams here in MA. Wear a Bird cap & people treat you like gold. Anyone coming to Boston this next year, wear O's gear & strangers will buy you a beer. Or give you their parking spot (No shit). They know us beating the Yanks won them the pennant.  

by Montego76 on Oct 22, 2007 8:57 AM EDT   0 recs

the Mets understand PR
The O's don't.

I fully understand that player's allegiances are at best tenuously tied to the town they play for. Much like my job. I have an "employment at will contract" with my company. However, I do know that if I were to go to a competitor, let's say to give a rah-rah speech for a new product launch, I'd be in hot water back at the home office. The average bloke lives by these rules. Millar's actions just rub the average fan the wrong way. The O's suck at the simple things like managing the perception that they give a shit about the fans.  

by drj on Oct 22, 2007 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny...
...I'm in Mass. and I never get that.
--- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

by EmbassyRow on Oct 22, 2007 10:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Massholes
are still assholes.  All of the Red Sox fans in Boston were nice to me for one day when we beat the Yankees and they won the division.  After that, it was back to being the biggest fucking dicks in the baseball world.  I hope a plane crashes into David Ortiz.
"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Oct 22, 2007 11:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahhhhh, Bach.
>the Red Sox first contacted Orioles president Andy MacPhail about the planned ceremony. Only after receiving permission did Red Sox President/CEO Larry Lucchino invite Millar over the phone.<<

Ah, I knew there had to be a connection between the teams, Lucchino is the key.

by Montego76 on Oct 22, 2007 9:04 AM EDT   0 recs

i'm done
i cannot fucking believe this.  i did not see the begining of the game last night, and i'm glad i didn't, cause i would've put my foot through the tv.  how can this be allowed to happen???  this is a big broom handle up the ass to anyone who gives a goddam about the Orioles, if there are any left.  i feal like finding Millar today and kicking him square in the nuts.  

i promise he will not have an at-bat or touch the ball when i am in attendance-either spring training or regualr season-where i am not completely riding his ass for embarassing the team he is CURRENTLY under contract to and the city that team represents.  i will henceforth be known as "the crazy guy that gets kicked out of games for yelling obscenities at Kevin Millar".

"I love you guys....I hate you guys." --Eric Cartman

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Oct 22, 2007 10:25 AM EDT   0 recs

his new nickname is...
this was an embarrassment to himself, all parties involved, and the fans of the team he is currently under contract with.  the fact that the Orioles APPROVED this fiasco further embarrasses the current title holder for most pathetic organization in baseball.

look, i never liked Millar on the O's to begin with.  he's a washed-up goofball media-whore.  but somewhere in the warehouse someone had to stop and think "i wonder how Orioles fans are going to take this?".  then again, maybe not, since all they care about is selling out Camden Yards when Boston or the Yankees visit, they saw it as a further marketing ploy to Boston fans.  "Hey Boston fans, come see Red Sox mascot Kevin Millar play first base for the division 'rival' Baltimore Orioles!!!"

cause thatt's what he's been reduced to:  Red Sox Mascot Kevin Millar.

"I love you guys....I hate you guys." --Eric Cartman

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Oct 22, 2007 10:38 AM EDT   0 recs

That's his new name: Mascot
That's it, Kevbo's dead to me. It's Mascot from now on.

"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.

by duck on Oct 22, 2007 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care...
Millar is not a member of a "rival" team to the Red Sox--he's a member of the Baltimore Orioles, and he's the first Oriole to be involved in the postseason in a decade. That's what is really enraging about this incident.

Watching it I mostly felt embarrassed for Millar. What is a washed up media whore who's stuck on a crappy team to do? The guy needs attention in a way that is borderline pathetic. So instead of being happy to quietly play golf with the rest of his millionaire teammates who don't actually give a shit about the Orioles, Millar feels a need to stay in the limelight. Big deal.

At least Millar cares about something other than his collection of vintage sports cars and pimpy jewelry, which is more than I can say about most of the overpaid zombies who have been wearing our team's laundry for the past decade. Millar is a rah-rah type guy, and not having anything meaningful to strap on his pom-poms about for the past two years has probably been hard for him. To his credit, I don't think for a second he wouldn't rather be on this stage with his own team. But he craves the limelight badly enough he'll do it for his old team that doesn't want or need him anymore--that's kinda sad.

Watching the pre-game reaction from Red Sox fans on Fox 25 in Boston, most of them seemed kinda confused by the whole thing: "Doesn't Millar play for like the Devil Rays or something now?"

Anyway, what pisses me off about this incident is that it rubs in my face just how irrelevant the Orioles are (and are likely to remain for foreseeable future). If I have a beef with anyone it's Angelos for enabling that irrelevance, and for MacPhail for okaying this stupid idea. But Millar is more a figure to be pitied.

by rebop on Oct 22, 2007 11:04 AM EDT   0 recs

It annoyed the shit out of me to....
.... but in perspective, not so much. What really annoys the shit out of me is having a team that couldn't win 70 games this year.
"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Oct 22, 2007 1:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just can't believe the O's went for this
The part that bothers me the most is that the Orioles were okay with this.

It's like the Orioles seek out new and exciting ways to further alienate the Baltimore fans.

by Mike Boehm on Oct 22, 2007 1:50 PM EDT   0 recs

I know that is a pride issue,
and therefore I sensitive subject. Due to the team I lean towards, feel free to totally disregard my comments.

That said, I'm really not seeing much wrong with this. Kevin Millar is, while I've never actually met him, generally considered to be a great guy. He's probably in the top ten list for a lot of fans in the category of "players you'd like to have a beer with." He's almost universally considered a positive clubhouse influence, and he did the Ray-Ray at the season's opener.

To put things in perspective, Millar is a guy who got a relatively late start to his career and had his best years on the Red Sox, culminating in a ring in 2004. He has a lot of friends on in the team, or so I would assume, and his current team, like 29 other teams in baseball, wasn't playing. Bill Mueller, another former Red Sock who works for the Dodgers organization even if he's no longer playing, was also brought in to throw a first pitch. In their quest for good karma, the Sox ask Millar in he'll do it too. Millar says yes. It's not as if he sat on the Red Sox bench or anything. He threw out the first pitch at a playoff game for a team he used to play for. Is it really that bad of an offense? I guess some of you think so.

I just think you might be losing some perspective on this. Millar is a 35-year-old 1B/DH who did his best to make use of what skill he's still got for the Orioles in 2007. On a team that's some people thought quit, I don't see Millar as a quitter. He's not demanding to be traded like Tejada, or taking HGH, or doing anything terrible like beating up his wife that would really be an embarrassment to the organization. He's a goofball, a nice guy, an an OBP machine, and he wanted to do something nice for some of his old friends. If this wasn't the Red Sox, would it bother you all this much?

He also seems to kill the Red Sox on the field, so there's that too.

I'm sorry, I'm probably a Millar apologist.

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 22, 2007 1:51 PM EDT   0 recs

re:
Let's say the shoe was on the other foot. Yeah, tough to imagine now, but it used to be the case when I was younger ;)

Do you think Red Sox fans would take kindly to a current player openly pulling for a division rival that pounds them every year? I don't think it would fly with the Red Sox fans I know.

by drj on Oct 22, 2007 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally...
it would tick me off a lot more if it were the Yankees. Then it really would have got my blood boiling. If it were the Yankees it would have been unforgivable.  As it is, I didn't particularly like it, but it didn't drive me nuts. And I do believe that Millar gave his all for the Orioles this season, which is more than I can say for most of his teammates.

Most of these guys don't care about anything other than their stats and collecting their paycheck. Millar actually cares about winning. I don't think Millar thought through how this would look to a lifelong Oriole fan watching the playoffs from his couch in Dundalk without his team involved for the 10th straight year. He probably should have, but Millar seems like the kind of guy who lives in the moment and doesn't think a lot of things through.

And if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. the Red Sox had just been through 10 losing seasons and the Orioles were in the playoffs), I'm sure it would piss off some of the (few) die-hard Red Sox fans that would be left. Those fans would also likely complain about all the bandwagon Oriole fans that invade their sacred Fenway everytime the Orioles came to town too. On the other hand, if it had been the Yankees....

There is no way to be totally rational about stuff like this. All that said, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Millar apologized, or at least explained himself to Oriole fans.

by rebop on Oct 22, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Screw that
CUT HIS ASS!!!

I do NOT want to see him in an O's uniform again. If he wants to be a damn mascot so bad, let him sniff the jocks of Ortiz and Manny and clean up their piss in the mens' rooms of Fenway.

Kevin Millar is dead to me.


"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.

by duck on Oct 22, 2007 3:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow
You guys are going to get Kevin high with all the theoretical sniffing he's done.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Crap crap
I meant Hypothetical, not Theoretical.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing
We have no way of knowing if Millar took/takes PEDs. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone or everyone took drugs.

Not even B-rob, cakes, or anyone else. Any of these douchebags could be on drugs and we wouldn't know it until the bombshell hit.

by pipkin on Oct 22, 2007 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yup
Nor it would surprise me if a naturally big dude (e.g. Ortiz, Thomas) took PEDs because they allegedly help you heal from injuries faster.

by birdman on Oct 22, 2007 7:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

meh.
I can understand some of you guys' sentiments here, but it's really difficult for me to get my panties in a bunch about this.

He's a productive player here. He's one of the few players wearing an Oriole uniform who actually seems to try hard.

But, let's be honest here....most likely the best (and most fun for him) days of his career were when he was in Boston.  In ten years, if ANYONE is even still talking about Kevin Millar, it'll be "former Red Sock  Kevin Millar", not "former Oriole Kevin Millar".

It is much more appropriate to channel that ire towards the collective myopites who run this team into the ground and have made it impossible for Kevbo to consider his time here as the best of his career.

by Chanumas on Oct 22, 2007 4:34 PM EDT   0 recs

The sooner he is FORMER Orioles
Mascot Millar the better for me!

"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.

by duck on Oct 22, 2007 5:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to agree with..
NHZ, Chanumas and a few others here.

You guys need to seek help.  It's obvious you all bleed Oriole orange and black.  No problem there.  But the losing and ineptitude must be getting to you for this sort of reaction.

So what if Millar throws out the first pitch.  If you believe that's going to make a difference in what sort of team the O's field next year, you've gone off the deep end.  The guy was part of somethig special.  His old team contacted the O's and asked if it was ok.  Knowing this and that your management said they had no problem with it, what the hell do you expect him to do?  

Of all the things wrong with the O's to get upset about, losing it over this is edging into the range of ridiculous.  I don't know, maybe you all have developed some sort of weird variant of the Stockholm syndrome and now want to be as pathetic as the team we all root for.

by timg56 on Oct 22, 2007 6:06 PM EDT   0 recs

more on Wooderson
"If you believe that's going to make a difference in what sort of team the O's field next year, you've gone off the deep end."

The competitive between the two teams isn't the issue.  It's the conflict of interest that bothers people.  Mind you, not me personally but from what I can gather from the comments above.  

by birdman on Oct 22, 2007 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re:
So what if Millar throws out the first pitch.  If you believe that's going to make a difference in what sort of team the O's field next year, you've gone off the deep end.

OK, where did anyone say anything that resembled this? I don't recall anyone saying, "Fuck, Millar threw out the first pitch at Fenway. NOW we're gonna suck next year, too." You just made up an issue and then argued against it.

Knowing this and that your management said they had no problem with it, what the hell do you expect him to do?

I didn't say I expected anything. I would just think it's keen if Millar had said, "Sorry, guys, I'd love to and I'm flattered, but I play for a different team now."

Management okayed it because they're dumb. We're all aware of that. The blame doesn't fall entirely on Millar for this embarrassing debacle.

I don't know, maybe you all have developed some sort of weird variant of the Stockholm syndrome and now want to be as pathetic as the team we all root for.

Maybe we don't want ANOTHER reason to look like stupid to the rest of baseball. Maybe we don't want to have one of our players be the Red Sox mascot. Maybe it's that and not "some sort of weird variant of the Stockholm syndrome."

by SC on Oct 22, 2007 7:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BINGO
The majority are saying this is really annoying. Seems the sports media (I've seen and read to date) agrees that it's at least awkward and probably shouldn't have been done. Perhaps the pathetic response is to take it like the hapless fan and not at least see some awkwardness in the situation.

BTW, lost in this conversation is that the Red Sox are so lame as to have to celebrate the 2004 World Series while they are a couple years removed and in it again? I'd love to hear the reaction in Boston if the Yankees did something like this for all their World Series.

by drj on Oct 22, 2007 8:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One of the commentators...
On the Rhode Island Sports talk station was saying he thought it was in poor taste. Basically, he said that someone who plays for a divisional rival shouldn't do that--it's just bad form. I agree, although I am not as enraged as many here are. It was definitely the WRONG thing for Millar to do.

by rebop on Oct 23, 2007 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed
"I agree, although I am not as enraged as many here are. It was definitely the WRONG thing for Millar to do."

Yeah, that sums it for me too.  It's the wrong thing to do but I'm just not pissed about it.  At least for me, it's on the same level of stealing a base in a blow out game.  It's in bad taste, I usually mutter douchebag when it happens and then I don't care anymore.  

by birdman on Oct 23, 2007 1:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's see...
"Fuck Millar! and LOSER"

". He's mostly washed up and living in the past"

"Sickening ... And pathetic. "

"Void his contract Pack his shit and get him the fuck out of Baltimore. "

"he should move up there and get a job in the clubhouse cleaning out their jockstraps so he can give us all a more informed opinion about how their asses smell this month. "

"this is a big broom handle up the ass to anyone who gives a goddam about the Orioles, if there are any left.  i feal like finding Millar today and kicking him square in the nuts. "

"he's a washed-up goofball media-whore."

"let him sniff the jocks of Ortiz and Manny and clean up their piss in the mens' rooms of Fenway. Kevin Millar is dead to me. "

I can understand people being annoyed by this, but the comments above are way beyond being annoyed.  Millar's actions do not rise to a level deserving vitriol like this.  In fact it's rather classless on our part.

BTW - is Millar even signed for next year?  I was under the impression he signed a 1 year FA deal for this past season.

by timg56 on Oct 23, 2007 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh jesus
A little leeway for people to overstate things, huh? This isn't the Cub Scouts. "Fuck Millar" is not that bad, anyway. I say that after about 30% of his at-bats end with a pop out to second base.

Millar had a plate appearances clause that activated a second year. He reached it, since he was one of the only players on the team that could hit.

by SC on Oct 23, 2007 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Millar can't really hit anymore.
He can still get on base, which granted is a good skill to have, but he can't hit anymore. Millar's 2007 AVG and SLG were both lower than Melvin Mora's (who also can't hit anymore).

by rebop on Oct 24, 2007 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah well
"Hitting" is a relative term when discussing any of the Orioles, really.

A TYPICAL, DISGUSTING DISPLAY!

by SC on Oct 24, 2007 10:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care if people want to swear.
I'm a former submarine sailor.  I can probably out swear the majority of folks hear.

Isn't part of the discussion about overreaction?  When people are "overstating" their point, in the manner above, that's a pretty good indication of over reaction.  There is my point.  That a number of folks are over reacting.  

What's wrong with "Ok, I overreacted.  I still don't like it and I still think it's wrong, but yeah, I went a little over board."  Instead we get people trying to justify their response.

by timg56 on Oct 24, 2007 10:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re:
Why do I have to justify anything? Jesus Christ, how bland would it be to talk about anything if no one ever got aggressive in stating their case? Would this be any sort of interesting at all if people said, "I don't like that" or "I'm OK with it," and nobody wanted anyone dead or maimed or thrown into a fire?

I propose not, my friend.

A TYPICAL, DISGUSTING DISPLAY!

by SC on Oct 24, 2007 10:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

RE:
What do we expect him to do???  How about respect the team and city that he is being paid to represent and play?  Not disgrace them by openly supporting a division rival.

Nobody is saying this is the only thing to be upset about with the O's and their management; but it's still an insult to the team.  And what's really annoying is this is an embarassment that could be easilly avoided by just saying "No, I'm a Baltimore Oriole now.  Good luck to you guys though."

BTW, it isn't just Oriole fans that think this is extremely odd and a complete insult.  The first comment of the announcers was "I don't know if I would be too happy if I were an Orioles fan".

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Oct 23, 2007 9:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

fuck him
next he'll be given field access to dance with papelbon after the WS. fuck that.

there are what, like 750 so-called MLB players, and it's common knowledge that none of them want to be in Baltimore. But he is, and he's being paid well to wear a shirt that says "Orioles" and suck at baseball. I don't think it's asking to much to be happy with that.

Fuck, I'd take a million (or whatever he gets) to work for a boss who doesnt' care if the job's done right or not. That's easy fucking money.

Get the fuck off my team.

it's good to be back.

"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." -Bob Lemon

by jloving on Oct 22, 2007 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

He made 2.5 last year, i believe
and he earned that, as obnoxious as this thing last night was. He was a damn good player for what they paid him.

by pipkin on Oct 22, 2007 11:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you even know what his contract reads like?
Without having read his contract, the only assumption we should be making is that he's being paid to play baseball.  The baseball season is over.  Barring any clause or restriction in his agreement that says otherwise, Millar is free to do what he wants in the off-season.  

Say you have a job.  It requires you to be there, 8 hours a day, between the hours of 7AM and 5 PM.  You have to wear a company uniform with jloving across the pocket.  Come 5PM on Friday, are you still wearing that uniform?  Are you still a company man?  Or do you go home to your family or friends and do what you want?  Say some of those friends, who work at your old company, invite you to the company picnic?  Are you a traitor, loser, fucking whore for going?  

You either need to grow up or get a sanity check.

by timg56 on Oct 23, 2007 6:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

RE:
If I showed u