Memo from me to Kevbo: GET OFF MY PLANE

Traitor.
The game's not over, but really I don't know how much I actually care who wins. Boston's up 3-2 going into the 7th.
Kevin Millar threw out the first pitch. Baltimore Oriole Kevin Millar went to Fenway Park to give the Red Sox mojo because he was a 2004 hero.
2632 noted that Bill Mueller did it last night. My response was, and is, that Bill Mueller is retired from active play. Millar is not. Millar is a member of a rival team of Boston's. Millar should not be out there hugging Doug Mirabelli in front of God and everybody.
A typical, disgusting display!
Normally things like this don't bother me, but what the hell is Kevin Millar doing out there rah-rahing a rival club? Are you kidding me? I hope he's fined for conduct unbecoming an Oriole or some such made up garbage. I understand Kevbo still has friends on the Sox, and he says nice things about us, and in a week I won't give a damn and I'll go back to liking Millar just fine, but this is really sticking in my craw for some reason. It's annoying, is what it is.
Have some pride in your current professional life, Kev. Stop living in the past. You are not a member of the Boston Red Sox. It's over, dude. You are an Oriole. I understand how this might be difficult to deal with, but these pipe dreams of yours aren't going to make your winter any shorter.
(P.S., Sharp designer jeans, though.)
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Fuck Millar!
by GeronimoGil on Oct 21, 2007 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
I'm with you
I accept this fact and I suspect I view games differently that many fans. Not a lot really bothers me, but this strikes me as a breach of ettiquette. Millar is pulling a paycheck from the O's. He's mostly washed up and living in the past. Great. Do it when you don't claim to represent the Orioles and feed us bullshit about wanting to be around. Show some class.
I view this as a little test for MacPhail and the front office. Can anyone think of a case where this has ever happened before? I can't recall any. MacPhail has to dope slap the clown.
The only thing
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Oct 21, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
Nah..
Rick Dempsey is the Paris Hilton of Sportsbroadcasting.
It may not be 100 percent similar...
Being involved
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Oct 21, 2007 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
nice
The Oriole team is so beyond having any rules, it's kind of ridiculous. There is infighting (Mora), cheating (Raffy et al), demands to be traded (Miggi)...
It never ends in the theater of the absurd.
Baffling is right. Sickening is too.
Again, while there's probably no immediate legal issue here (conflict of interest or fraternization), it's hard to avoid the feeling that there is something, well, Just Not Right about this. One of the principles of professional competitive sports [in which the Orioles are not always involved, as GG noted :) ] is that contestants are expected to demonstrate at least a superficially visible loyalty to their employing organization, which uses that loyalty to help attract and expand a location-specific paying constituency.
When a contestant/employee lends his visible loyalty to a second, competitor franchise, the owner of the first might indeed be justifiably irked-- although in the instance, Petey has plenty to answer for himself, as he has (apparently) catered to that same constituency with a favoritism bordering on the shameful. Anyway, if Petey were to seek redress here (up to and including a severance from the player in question), I wouldn't argue.
Strange days. And meanwhile, how saddening that the Sawx won; their success runs so counter to what's good for baseball.
for what it's worth
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer
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i understand why everyone is mad
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer
me too
by Scott Christ on Oct 22, 2007 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
me three
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Bill Mueller
Keith Foulke
Mark Bellhorn
Pokey Reese
Gabe Kapler
Curt Leskanic
But everyone else, from Millar to Lowe to Pedro to Arroyo to Orlando Cabrera to Johnny Damon to Doug Mientkiewicz to Alan Embree, is kind of weird.
I mean, really, can you imagine the hell that would be getting raised if Johnny Damon had been out there, or even Orlando Cabrera? Just because the Orioles suck shouldn't give Millar a pass to go around playing grab-ass with Doug Mirabelli on the field of play.
It makes Millar look like a chump, for one thing, and it makes the Orioles look bad, which is about the last thing the Orioles need more of. I'm glad Kevin is still beloved by Sox fans, and he always will be. But go throw out first pitches when you're retired and not on a rival team, that's all I'm saying.
Is the title of this thread
by NHZ @ Camden Chat on Oct 22, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Good movie
Well, no shit it was him.
by NHZ @ Camden Chat on Oct 23, 2007 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
who cares
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how
by merdon1332000 on Oct 22, 2007 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
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Void his contract
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.
Francona DID NOT want him there
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.
I said it on the other thread...
by KenDixonFanClub on Oct 22, 2007 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah
Friend of the Working Man
by Jonnypops on Oct 22, 2007 8:54 AM EDT reply actions
Northern Oriole
I live with these crazy people, fans who believe Francona is the worst manager ever (we should be so unlucky). I have no problem with a message to these insane fans -- get off the bridge, you have a fine team so quit your bitchin'. The nuts here didn't hear the sarcasm in the statement that we heard & laughed about. And I'm milking the goodwill b/t teams here in MA. Wear a Bird cap & people treat you like gold. Anyone coming to Boston this next year, wear O's gear & strangers will buy you a beer. Or give you their parking spot (No shit). They know us beating the Yanks won them the pennant.
by Montego76 on Oct 22, 2007 8:57 AM EDT reply actions
the Mets understand PR
I fully understand that player's allegiances are at best tenuously tied to the town they play for. Much like my job. I have an "employment at will contract" with my company. However, I do know that if I were to go to a competitor, let's say to give a rah-rah speech for a new product launch, I'd be in hot water back at the home office. The average bloke lives by these rules. Millar's actions just rub the average fan the wrong way. The O's suck at the simple things like managing the perception that they give a shit about the fans.
The Massholes
Ahhhhh, Bach.
Ah, I knew there had to be a connection between the teams, Lucchino is the key.
by Montego76 on Oct 22, 2007 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
i'm done
i promise he will not have an at-bat or touch the ball when i am in attendance-either spring training or regualr season-where i am not completely riding his ass for embarassing the team he is CURRENTLY under contract to and the city that team represents. i will henceforth be known as "the crazy guy that gets kicked out of games for yelling obscenities at Kevin Millar".
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Oct 22, 2007 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
his new nickname is...
look, i never liked Millar on the O's to begin with. he's a washed-up goofball media-whore. but somewhere in the warehouse someone had to stop and think "i wonder how Orioles fans are going to take this?". then again, maybe not, since all they care about is selling out Camden Yards when Boston or the Yankees visit, they saw it as a further marketing ploy to Boston fans. "Hey Boston fans, come see Red Sox mascot Kevin Millar play first base for the division 'rival' Baltimore Orioles!!!"
cause thatt's what he's been reduced to: Red Sox Mascot Kevin Millar.
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Oct 22, 2007 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
That's his new name: Mascot
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.
I don't care...
Watching it I mostly felt embarrassed for Millar. What is a washed up media whore who's stuck on a crappy team to do? The guy needs attention in a way that is borderline pathetic. So instead of being happy to quietly play golf with the rest of his millionaire teammates who don't actually give a shit about the Orioles, Millar feels a need to stay in the limelight. Big deal.
At least Millar cares about something other than his collection of vintage sports cars and pimpy jewelry, which is more than I can say about most of the overpaid zombies who have been wearing our team's laundry for the past decade. Millar is a rah-rah type guy, and not having anything meaningful to strap on his pom-poms about for the past two years has probably been hard for him. To his credit, I don't think for a second he wouldn't rather be on this stage with his own team. But he craves the limelight badly enough he'll do it for his old team that doesn't want or need him anymore--that's kinda sad.
Watching the pre-game reaction from Red Sox fans on Fox 25 in Boston, most of them seemed kinda confused by the whole thing: "Doesn't Millar play for like the Devil Rays or something now?"
Anyway, what pisses me off about this incident is that it rubs in my face just how irrelevant the Orioles are (and are likely to remain for foreseeable future). If I have a beef with anyone it's Angelos for enabling that irrelevance, and for MacPhail for okaying this stupid idea. But Millar is more a figure to be pitied.
It annoyed the shit out of me to....
I just can't believe the O's went for this
It's like the Orioles seek out new and exciting ways to further alienate the Baltimore fans.
by Mike Boehm on Oct 22, 2007 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
I know that is a pride issue,
That said, I'm really not seeing much wrong with this. Kevin Millar is, while I've never actually met him, generally considered to be a great guy. He's probably in the top ten list for a lot of fans in the category of "players you'd like to have a beer with." He's almost universally considered a positive clubhouse influence, and he did the Ray-Ray at the season's opener.
To put things in perspective, Millar is a guy who got a relatively late start to his career and had his best years on the Red Sox, culminating in a ring in 2004. He has a lot of friends on in the team, or so I would assume, and his current team, like 29 other teams in baseball, wasn't playing. Bill Mueller, another former Red Sock who works for the Dodgers organization even if he's no longer playing, was also brought in to throw a first pitch. In their quest for good karma, the Sox ask Millar in he'll do it too. Millar says yes. It's not as if he sat on the Red Sox bench or anything. He threw out the first pitch at a playoff game for a team he used to play for. Is it really that bad of an offense? I guess some of you think so.
I just think you might be losing some perspective on this. Millar is a 35-year-old 1B/DH who did his best to make use of what skill he's still got for the Orioles in 2007. On a team that's some people thought quit, I don't see Millar as a quitter. He's not demanding to be traded like Tejada, or taking HGH, or doing anything terrible like beating up his wife that would really be an embarrassment to the organization. He's a goofball, a nice guy, an an OBP machine, and he wanted to do something nice for some of his old friends. If this wasn't the Red Sox, would it bother you all this much?
He also seems to kill the Red Sox on the field, so there's that too.
I'm sorry, I'm probably a Millar apologist.
by NHZ @ Camden Chat on Oct 22, 2007 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
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Do you think Red Sox fans would take kindly to a current player openly pulling for a division rival that pounds them every year? I don't think it would fly with the Red Sox fans I know.
Personally...
Most of these guys don't care about anything other than their stats and collecting their paycheck. Millar actually cares about winning. I don't think Millar thought through how this would look to a lifelong Oriole fan watching the playoffs from his couch in Dundalk without his team involved for the 10th straight year. He probably should have, but Millar seems like the kind of guy who lives in the moment and doesn't think a lot of things through.
And if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. the Red Sox had just been through 10 losing seasons and the Orioles were in the playoffs), I'm sure it would piss off some of the (few) die-hard Red Sox fans that would be left. Those fans would also likely complain about all the bandwagon Oriole fans that invade their sacred Fenway everytime the Orioles came to town too. On the other hand, if it had been the Yankees....
There is no way to be totally rational about stuff like this. All that said, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Millar apologized, or at least explained himself to Oriole fans.
Screw that
I do NOT want to see him in an O's uniform again. If he wants to be a damn mascot so bad, let him sniff the jocks of Ortiz and Manny and clean up their piss in the mens' rooms of Fenway.
Kevin Millar is dead to me.
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.
Wow
by NHZ @ Camden Chat on Oct 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap crap
by NHZ @ Camden Chat on Oct 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing
Not even B-rob, cakes, or anyone else. Any of these douchebags could be on drugs and we wouldn't know it until the bombshell hit.
meh.
He's a productive player here. He's one of the few players wearing an Oriole uniform who actually seems to try hard.
But, let's be honest here....most likely the best (and most fun for him) days of his career were when he was in Boston. In ten years, if ANYONE is even still talking about Kevin Millar, it'll be "former Red Sock Kevin Millar", not "former Oriole Kevin Millar".
It is much more appropriate to channel that ire towards the collective myopites who run this team into the ground and have made it impossible for Kevbo to consider his time here as the best of his career.
The sooner he is FORMER Orioles
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.
I have to agree with..
You guys need to seek help. It's obvious you all bleed Oriole orange and black. No problem there. But the losing and ineptitude must be getting to you for this sort of reaction.
So what if Millar throws out the first pitch. If you believe that's going to make a difference in what sort of team the O's field next year, you've gone off the deep end. The guy was part of somethig special. His old team contacted the O's and asked if it was ok. Knowing this and that your management said they had no problem with it, what the hell do you expect him to do?
Of all the things wrong with the O's to get upset about, losing it over this is edging into the range of ridiculous. I don't know, maybe you all have developed some sort of weird variant of the Stockholm syndrome and now want to be as pathetic as the team we all root for.
more on Wooderson
The competitive between the two teams isn't the issue. It's the conflict of interest that bothers people. Mind you, not me personally but from what I can gather from the comments above.
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OK, where did anyone say anything that resembled this? I don't recall anyone saying, "Fuck, Millar threw out the first pitch at Fenway. NOW we're gonna suck next year, too." You just made up an issue and then argued against it.
Knowing this and that your management said they had no problem with it, what the hell do you expect him to do?
I didn't say I expected anything. I would just think it's keen if Millar had said, "Sorry, guys, I'd love to and I'm flattered, but I play for a different team now."
Management okayed it because they're dumb. We're all aware of that. The blame doesn't fall entirely on Millar for this embarrassing debacle.
I don't know, maybe you all have developed some sort of weird variant of the Stockholm syndrome and now want to be as pathetic as the team we all root for.
Maybe we don't want ANOTHER reason to look like stupid to the rest of baseball. Maybe we don't want to have one of our players be the Red Sox mascot. Maybe it's that and not "some sort of weird variant of the Stockholm syndrome."
by Scott Christ on Oct 22, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
BINGO
BTW, lost in this conversation is that the Red Sox are so lame as to have to celebrate the 2004 World Series while they are a couple years removed and in it again? I'd love to hear the reaction in Boston if the Yankees did something like this for all their World Series.
One of the commentators...
agreed
Yeah, that sums it for me too. It's the wrong thing to do but I'm just not pissed about it. At least for me, it's on the same level of stealing a base in a blow out game. It's in bad taste, I usually mutter douchebag when it happens and then I don't care anymore.
Let's see...
". He's mostly washed up and living in the past"
"Sickening ... And pathetic. "
"Void his contract Pack his shit and get him the fuck out of Baltimore. "
"he should move up there and get a job in the clubhouse cleaning out their jockstraps so he can give us all a more informed opinion about how their asses smell this month. "
"this is a big broom handle up the ass to anyone who gives a goddam about the Orioles, if there are any left. i feal like finding Millar today and kicking him square in the nuts. "
"he's a washed-up goofball media-whore."
"let him sniff the jocks of Ortiz and Manny and clean up their piss in the mens' rooms of Fenway. Kevin Millar is dead to me. "
I can understand people being annoyed by this, but the comments above are way beyond being annoyed. Millar's actions do not rise to a level deserving vitriol like this. In fact it's rather classless on our part.
BTW - is Millar even signed for next year? I was under the impression he signed a 1 year FA deal for this past season.
oh jesus
Millar had a plate appearances clause that activated a second year. He reached it, since he was one of the only players on the team that could hit.
by Scott Christ on Oct 23, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Millar can't really hit anymore.
yeah well
A TYPICAL, DISGUSTING DISPLAY!
by Scott Christ on Oct 24, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care if people want to swear.
Isn't part of the discussion about overreaction? When people are "overstating" their point, in the manner above, that's a pretty good indication of over reaction. There is my point. That a number of folks are over reacting.
What's wrong with "Ok, I overreacted. I still don't like it and I still think it's wrong, but yeah, I went a little over board." Instead we get people trying to justify their response.
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I propose not, my friend.
A TYPICAL, DISGUSTING DISPLAY!
by Scott Christ on Oct 24, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
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Nobody is saying this is the only thing to be upset about with the O's and their management; but it's still an insult to the team. And what's really annoying is this is an embarassment that could be easilly avoided by just saying "No, I'm a Baltimore Oriole now. Good luck to you guys though."
BTW, it isn't just Oriole fans that think this is extremely odd and a complete insult. The first comment of the announcers was "I don't know if I would be too happy if I were an Orioles fan".
by BirdFanInPhilly on Oct 23, 2007 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
fuck him
there are what, like 750 so-called MLB players, and it's common knowledge that none of them want to be in Baltimore. But he is, and he's being paid well to wear a shirt that says "Orioles" and suck at baseball. I don't think it's asking to much to be happy with that.
Fuck, I'd take a million (or whatever he gets) to work for a boss who doesnt' care if the job's done right or not. That's easy fucking money.
Get the fuck off my team.
it's good to be back.
He made 2.5 last year, i believe
Do you even know what his contract reads like?
Say you have a job. It requires you to be there, 8 hours a day, between the hours of 7AM and 5 PM. You have to wear a company uniform with jloving across the pocket. Come 5PM on Friday, are you still wearing that uniform? Are you still a company man? Or do you go home to your family or friends and do what you want? Say some of those friends, who work at your old company, invite you to the company picnic? Are you a traitor, loser, fucking whore for going?
You either need to grow up or get a sanity check.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Oct 24, 2007 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Millah needs to go die in a fire.
by NewOrioleWork on Oct 22, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
Death isn't necessary
But no, I will not require a fiery sacrifice.
No Vietnamese Bhuddist monks, please.
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.
Evil Empire was a better album
And of course, I was purely engaging in hyperbole. I am NOT down with what Millah did, and would very much like him off the team right now.
by NewOrioleWork on Oct 22, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
Agree on Evil Empire
"Pitching. Bona-fide, Major League pitching." -That's what Diamond Dave wants for Christmas.

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