Mitchell Report arrives!

Happy holidays, Roger Clemens! [ESPN story]
Everybody batten down the hatches. It's about to get butt fugly.
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"a rough day in the Bronx"
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sox..
I'm not saying that Mitchell is going to be biased; but only Selig would pick a guy who's impartiality can be called into question to run this investigation.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 13, 2007 10:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I trust Mitchell won't ignore the Red Sox
I'm interested in what kind of hard evidence the report will have.
by silverstadium on Dec 13, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by drj on Dec 13, 2007 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard they waterboarded the guy
by spike2131 on Dec 13, 2007 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW....
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 13, 2007 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd say they're pretty good
by pipkin on Dec 13, 2007 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't go there
Late career emergence is seen here for sure
by merdon1332000 on Dec 13, 2007 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll attribute that to an unending hot streak
I'll never implicate that guy until there's steaming hot evidence against him.
If that's the case, then I'll be very sad.
by dfleis on Dec 13, 2007 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that wasn't an emergence
by pipkin on Dec 13, 2007 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Howard Bryant Article
Friction and fractures erode faith in Mitchell's investigation
Interesting quotes from owners down to trainers about their mistrust and ignorance of the investigators. MLB and Mitchell trying to explain away the obvious conflict of interest. How the investigators wanted trainers and strength coaches to speculate about users. How they leaned on Kirk Radomski to spill the beans because that's all they had. It doesn't paint a pretty picture of a well run and impartial investigation.
Whatever, it will tell us what we already know, point fingers at the unfortunate few who could be traced to the few leads they got, probably leave the Red Sox mostly unscathed (at least that's my expectation). The best thing it could do is give a meaningful path to addressing the issue, if MLB and the player's union actually wish to.
by drj on Dec 13, 2007 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Players
"Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafael Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Pior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts,Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood."
by crawjo on Dec 13, 2007 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
where do you find this?
by exitfare on Dec 13, 2007 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not giving this credit yet
Pudge Rodriguez, I saw you coming, you fake Carlton Fisk dork.
Both Cansecos and their stupid sequel, the Giambis.
Who the fuck would rat out PAXTON CRAWFORD?
Wally Joyner, NO!
Oriole connections: Brady, Manny Alexander, Albert Belle, Grimsley, Gibbons, Hairston, Palmeiro, Roberts, Sosa, Segui, Tejada, Tatis. So, 12.
WALLY JOYNER, NO!!
Thanks for the time that you've given me...
by SC on Dec 13, 2007 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wally Joyner went public
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9991748/
so did Paxton Crawford...
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/06/crawford_comes_1.html
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no A-Rod???
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod is everybody's daddy
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by SC on Dec 13, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
by Stacey on Dec 13, 2007 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to hate A-Rod
by exitfare on Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying i hate him
also, someone can check my math, but it are any current Red Sox are on the list?
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup, the captain
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
A-ROD's physique isn't natural to you? The only thing he's added over the years is dumpy thighs. A-Rod is progressing like a fitter, Latino Jim Thome.
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by SC on Dec 13, 2007 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oops missed Varitek
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by SC on Dec 13, 2007 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Julian Tavarez
by GeronimoGil on Dec 13, 2007 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my meager opinion
It's just more ammunition for politicians to come back and hammer the union and force them to testify for not being more cooperative and forthcoming in Mitchell's investigation.
Selig names a well-respected former Congressman that resides on the Boston Red Sox Board of Directors simply so that he can claim to Congress, "Look, I did what you told me! It's all the union's fault we still have PEDs!"
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 11:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to say it is a matter of race
Bonds was persecuted when is was thought that he did steroids, no one comprehended how he could have done such a horrible thing. Now that the news of Clemens is coming out it is treated like it is not that bad of a thing.
At least that is the feeling I am getting listening to XM this morning.
by Born Under a Bad Moon on Dec 13, 2007 11:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i don't believe that for a minute
this is a story that goes above and beyond race/ethnicity. it's a story of human greed and fear of failure. it's a story as old as time.
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know what
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by SC on Dec 13, 2007 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clemens vs. Bonds
Bottom line--both were outstanding players who probably would have deserved to be in the Hall even if they didn't roid it up. It still will be interesting to see if people demonize Clemens to the extent they did Barry.
by silverstadium on Dec 13, 2007 12:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clemens vs. Bonds
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the differance will be
If you did it and man's up! I'm fine with it after all as with Racing you're always looking for an edge
by merdon1332000 on Dec 13, 2007 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Witch Hunt...
by rebop on Dec 13, 2007 12:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Witch Hunt...
and remember, he's not just a former Congerssman, but chair of one the countries most respected law firms.
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not questioning Mitchell...
by rebop on Dec 13, 2007 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This has been a witch hunt
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Dec 13, 2007 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
by rebop on Dec 13, 2007 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference between Bonds and Clemens is...
by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 13, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That may be true
Wouldn't it be sweet if roids let pitchers throw more innings and we saw someone chase Cy Young's win record?
by silverstadium on Dec 13, 2007 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is going to approach...
I know the reason Bonds using PEDs bothers me so much is because he was already a one-of-a-kind player, one of the handful of greatest EVER. If he hadn't touched steroids and retired five or six years ago, with still spectacular (and legit) career numbers, imagine how the public would feel about him then. He'd be a hero, the legit guy who didn't give in. At least that's how I see it. And if I had a HoF vote I'd still vote for him.
by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 13, 2007 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that the report is out...
by Chanumas on Dec 13, 2007 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by drj on Dec 13, 2007 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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PROCTOR: There might also be a dragon with five legs in my house, but no one has ever seen it.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Dec 13, 2007 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider me a person filled with "glee".
This report is supposedly 400 pages long, with tons of exhibits. I think it amounts to more than a "witch hunt". I guess we'll see once it's released.
I say FINALLY. I say this needs to bring the discusison front and center and maybe, just maybe, some of the folks in MLB (paticularly the players' union) will realize that this crap is detrimental to the game and has a negative effect on impressionable young people.
Of course, Bud is just looking to duck the issue as usual:
Yeah, Bud, now that the report's released, your job is done. Never mind any follow-up, or the fact that this all happened on your watch.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB
by zknower on Dec 13, 2007 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bud is a douche
this process has to be transparent. being a Major League Ballplayer isn't a right, it's a privilege. as so, to attain the privileges pertain thereto, they MUST be required to surrender some rights afforded to citizenry at-large. hiding behind a shield of confidentiality in this case doesn't cut it.
baseball is a public trust, it needs to start acting like it. or Congress should take it's precious Antitrust Exemption away from it.
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 13, 2007 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the names...
And NO current Red Sox were named in the report. Zero. Given Mitchell's obvious conflict of interest, I say that stinks--looks like your being lied to by another politician.
by rebop on Dec 13, 2007 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by drj on Dec 13, 2007 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard...
by rebop on Dec 13, 2007 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I think more the later, but I have not read of any grilling of Red Sox personnel. Then we also read that names appeared because nabbed players fingered others.
We can all say it's ridiculous, or a witch hunt, to name names and dismiss it. Particularly since the list is not comprehensive. However, there is already talk of how those named will be punished. Why because Mitchell could only dredge up these names and couldn't find any other squealers?
I've read over and over about Mitchell's integrity. OK, but this whole mess makes him look a little less stellar. The players had no legal recourse throught the entire ordeal, yet now they are said to face punishement by none other than Bud Selig himself, one of those who turned a blind eye when it was useful to do so.
by drj on Dec 13, 2007 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Legal Recourse"?
Rather, this was an MLB-sponsored "independent investigation".
Every player in the report was given an opportunity to come forth and clear his name. Very few chose to do so.
Forgive me if they don't have my sympathies.
I will agre that the notion that Bud Selig will be the final arbiter of punishment in this is preposterous.
I also expect that he will basically declare the whole thing done with and levy no penalties.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB
by zknower on Dec 13, 2007 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Mitchell did come out and say no penalties should be applied for past behavior (so why arbitrarily name players?). Selig has so far reserved the right to mete out punishments.
by drj on Dec 13, 2007 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
punishments
that said, i lament the fact that Bud will say this "closes the book on the whole affair", like they've somehow solved it now. rather, they should look around at the entire sport, from owners to coaches to players on down, and find ways to ensure that the issue never becomes such a damaging problem in the future.
that means looking over the collective bargaining agreement and standing up to the players' union. it means making owners responsible for any behavior in their clubhouses. it means examining coaching and other personnel contracts, particularly those of personal trainers and the like.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB
by zknower on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reading the report
by silverstadium on Dec 13, 2007 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clemens
"According to McNamee, the Yankees hired him because Clemens persuaded them to do so."
by silverstadium on Dec 13, 2007 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Evidence seems thin
by PhilR8 on Dec 13, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
most of the players clammed up
there's also a lot of documentary evidence (ie, checks, etc).

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB
by zknower on Dec 13, 2007 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone watching the press conference?
He is coming off as a smarmy asshole.
by PhilR8 on Dec 13, 2007 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, let's see if we can find the silliest check
by PhilR8 on Dec 13, 2007 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone notice Nook Logan in the report?
In other news, the report is an insufferable douche bag of a report. Did we really need 150 pages of material before we even get to the players involved? Do we need to know the history of steroid use for the purposes of the report?
by salvotion on Dec 13, 2007 6:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Um...yes?
by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 13, 2007 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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