Never Forget - Why I hate NYY

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 6:23 PM EDT Comment 73 comments

At about 7:05 p.m. tomorrow night, Derek Jeter will trot out to and stand on second base with his team holding a two-run lead they should never had.

And a few outs later, the Orioles loss on June 28 will be official, barring a miraculous comeback.

Then the series really starts.

I want to beat these bastards BAD. BAD, I say. 3-2 wins won't be enough - I want to blow out their bullpen, put two of their starters on DL and get Joe Torre thrown out of at least 2 of the games.

It's irrational. It may even be stupid. It's certainly unrealistic.

But I want a f'ing SWEEP this weekend.

Go O's.

Use this space to explain WHY you hate NYY. Next Monday or so, let's do the same thing about BOS.

Update [2007-7-27 12:48:14 by duck]:Since it made the front page, I did a little editing for language.

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it's unhealthy how mad this makes me

I can't even say anythign about it - just complete NY bias bullshit. That ref is being investigated by the feds for fixing games - the fucking umps that pull this bullshit and then go on to toss the guy who says "hey, we don't play baseball under water" should be fired. fucking bullshit.

fantastic. now i'm going to be mad all night thinking about it. fucking god damn sons of bitches yankees

"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." -Bob Lemon

by jloving on Jul 26, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why I hate Yanks

ARod - Greedy ass, choker, plus he's insecure geek.
Jeter - Pretty boy who can't play D.
Cano - One hit wonder.
Giambi - Cheater.
Matsui - Pervert.
Damon - Just plain sucks.
Abreau - "I'd rather walk because I'm too lazy to swing the bat."
Posada - coattail rider.

by birdman on Jul 26, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh,

Where did you get that about Matsui?

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 26, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there was some story

about how Matsui has a huge porn collection of some Japanese genre type that I can't remember.

by birdman on Jul 26, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Something in the NY (com)Post. Don't think any real papers covered it.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 26, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, well, there's also TIME magazine...

... is this real enough for you?

Indeed, his only eccentricity, if it can be called that, is his extensive private library of adult videos. His refreshing ability to laugh self-deprecatingly about his porno collection, reporters say, is one reason why fans and even nonfans have taken to him so much.

by zknower on Jul 27, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK then

just so long as no one's been "domestically violated"

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 27, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I kinda like ARod

He's the best player of his or maybe any generation, and if you look at his postseason stats with the Mariners, he was very good.

He's been the victim of small sample size the last few years. And Jeter was just as bad some of those series (and worse in the ALCS against Boston in 03) and gets no shit.

FJM had a good post about this recently.

by pipkin on Jul 26, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A-Rod??????

Fucking bushleague bullshit. Craps his pants in the playoffs, and pushes a 1B's glove like a little girl in U8 softball to break up a play and YELLING shit in a game to throw people off a catch?

Bush-league bullshit. Earl Weaver would have ripped off his head asnd shit down his neck. Joe Torre" "He shouldn't have done that." Gee, ya think?

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean the thing with Bronson Arroyo?

He was a prick, a well-known prick. That's why Boston got rid of him. He COMPLETELY instigated that one.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 26, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hairstyles aside...

A-Rod acted and looked like a douchebag on that play. A hard slide into 2nd is one thing, a sissy-lookin' one-handed swing at a guy's glove is another.

A-Rod is a tool and no set of numbers will persuade me otherwise. You can keep your "facts" - like Stephen Colbert, I think with my gut.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's see

what kind of "truthiness" the end of his career will bring.

NY Islander fans kept saying Gretzky was a wuss who couldn't win it all - until he did.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 26, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTF???

Gretzky won 4 cups in 5 years, right after the Isles did. He was what, 24, when he won his first one?

A-Rod is a TOOL. A 32-year-old tool WITHOUT a ring. And unless he signs with another team, that won't be changing anytime soon.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You think

a guy represented by Boros picks a team beacuse he's heard good things about the city's school system?

He'll opt out - and then stay right where he is, after collecting one BIG-ASS raise.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 26, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A-Rod...

...might be a tool in some ways, but he is the best player in MLB and has been for a while and will continue to be. Earl would have LOVED him (and Earl never ever turned down any advantage in a game no matter how minute- for example, penciling in Steve Stone as a DH for an entire season in order to actually potentially save a bench bat in case of a sudden pitching switch).

I hate the Yankees as much as anyone here, but calling A-Rod a choker is pointless. Go check out the post on Firejoemorgan the previous poster referenced. A-Rod didn't pitch in any of those series "he" lost. People seem to not like him solely because he's so good. If he goes FA in the offseason I'd kill to see the Os get in on him even though I know they won't.

by KenDixonFanClub on Jul 27, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thank you

He's a fantastic baseball player.

Yeah, the Arroyo thing and the shouting at Howie Clark (who had actually, you know, just come back from the bush leagues for his annual cup o' coffee) were dumb and antagonistic, but he's a great player and gets a terrible rap. Terrible. Undeserved.

by pipkin on Jul 27, 2007 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nah...

i think he deserves a lot of the crap he gets b/c he brings it on himself, much like bonds. they are both douchebags, but extremely talented douchebags and after all is said and done are going to be the top two all time hr leaders for quite some time.

by jq higgins on Jul 27, 2007 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

some of it is his fault

The slapping, the shouting, etc.

But being called a choker for having 12 bad at-bats in one series three and a half years ago? That same series most of his team was bad. Rivera blew two saves. That's not his fault.

Running around with strippers? Yeah, he shouldn't do that, but plenty of baseball players are scumbags but don't get huge headlines in the New York Post about their infidelities. He doesn't deserve that. Or at least if he does, so do all the other guys who don't get all the crap he does.

He probably should never have left Seattle, but it's not his fault Tom Hicks was stupid enough to outbid himself and give ARod a ludicrous contract. And it's not his fault someone else will probably do it again and give him 8 years at 30 million a year this offseason. I wish the Orioles would.

by pipkin on Jul 27, 2007 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on now

Grownups know there's no such things as clutch players or chokers. You're either a good player or a bad player. That's it.

A-Rod has played significant amounts of seven postseason series. He was amazing in two of them, OK in three, eh in one, and terrible in another. That's not too bad. He's a significantly better postseason player than Ted Williams or Willie Mays.

His teams don't win the big one because they aren't good enough to win the big one. He can't pitch or hit for everybody else, so they don't win. Everybody focused on him playing poorly in last year's divisional series, but no one on the Yankees played well.

If I could will any player in baseball onto the Orioles, it would be A-Rod. He's the best player in the game and it isn't even close.

by yurizanow on Jul 27, 2007 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE: Clutch

There is actually no real agreement among people SABR guys about whether there is a such thing as clutch or not. The thing is it's extremely difficult to actually quantify. Personally, I think it's only logical to assume that some guys are more clutch than others. In nearly every activity some people perform better than others under pressure, so I don't know why baseball would be any different.

You can argue that some guys are clutch because they don't play up to their ability in every day situations (lazy) or become more focused in pressure situations. And I think it's more than possible that some guys are non-clutch and become overwhelmed when they under a lot of stress.

Really, I don't see how its possible to not have clutch and un-clutch players (especially the latter). But I just don't know how you can impartially quantify it.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 27, 2007 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

as a

mariners fan his greedy ass will never be forgevin.

Jeremy Guthrie ROCKS!

by westcoastOfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We still think Mussina's a traitor?

I will forever.

by Cockeysville Crony on Jul 26, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

On Mussina..

O's low-balled him to a degree and stank already. NYY comes calling with more $$$ and a chance to win. I hated it, I still revel in his inability to win a WS, but I'd be a liar if I said I wouldn't do the same thing he did. God knows if another school district offered me $10K a year more, I'd be gone.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Mussina is a prick and I hope he never wins a World Series with the Ynaks..

by RobG on Jul 27, 2007 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

Mussina will always be a traitor to me and as you said above, I really don't need a reason; I think with my gut.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 27, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, so Mussina did indeed sign with the Yankees

in that situation, wouldn't you have?

by NHZ on Jul 27, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

I don't know that I would. I'm not saying that I would come back to Baltimore if their offer was overly low (although, I kind of remember the reason he left was more about the O's not re-upping him the year before); but I really don't think if I was a in demand FA that I would ever go to that fucking team. I hate them too much. Obviously, it's easy for me to say when I don't have that opportunity.

But as I said, I'm not applying logic to my dislike of Mussina. He was far and away probably my favorite Oriole at the time and I probably liked him more than any Oriole ever when he was here. Even more than Cal. He then went to my most hated team. He'll always be a dirt ball to me; whether that is logical or not.

I'm just glad that he was able to get that ring that he always wanted. Oh wait, nevermind.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 27, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In all seriousness

If you were Mike Mussina, why would you stay with the Orioles? You're saying if the Yankees offered you a dumptruck full of cash, you would've said "no sir, I like working for Peter Angelos just fine." He already gave them a hometown discount a few years before and they took advantage of him. It only make sense that on the next contract he would take the money and run. This is America, that's what your supposed to do. Mussina doesn't care if it's Yankees. There are very few players who feel any genuine sense of rivalry or disdain towards other teams. They're professionals and like any professionals, they go where the money is. Why do you expect an athlete to act less in his best own interests than you would an accountant or a plumber?

As for getting a ring, since he joined the Yankees he's played in two World Series and made the playoffs every year. Maybe he hasn't won the big one, but he certainly picked a team that gave him a better shot than the one he left.

Look, it's become pretty clear that good players usually don't enjoy playing for the Baltimore Orioles. Hell, Raphael Palmeiro took a pay cut when he rejoined the Rangers and only came back to Baltimore when his skills had diminished so much that the O's were one of his few options.

Are you going to be mad at Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard when they reject the Orioles inevitably low-ball offer and join a team that has had a winning season in the past ten years? You shouldn't be.

by yurizanow on Jul 27, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um...

Why do you have to be so literal? I can't stand Mussina because he left for the Yanks. Likewise, I will feel the same towards BJ Ryan, and weill feel the same if Roberts or Bedard left. It's my perogative as a fan. Why are you trying to make it anything else?

by RobG on Jul 27, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he does

pure, unadultered hate with no basis in logic. Everything must have a REASON in his world.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 27, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, pretty much

I just don't see the point of getting mad a player who leaves a crappy organization.

The anger I have is for the Orioles organization itself, not the players who wise-up and split.

by yurizanow on Jul 27, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

re:

I've never been able to be truly mad at Mussina. He got low-balled by our idiot of an owner, felt disrespected (and rightly so) and he left, which anyone in Mussina's shoes would have done. I wish he had gone to the Dodgers or Mets, though, and I do revel in him still having NO RINGS!!! F you, Yankees!

by SC on Jul 27, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

I didn't say that I would stay in Baltimore, but I don't think I would go to NYY. There are more than 2 teams in MLB. Like I said, that's easy for me to say when I don't have that opportunity. I'm not saying that a player shouldn't go wherever he wants; but to go to that fucking team shows an incredible lack of class in my opinion. I mostly (although not completely) base that opinion on irrational hatred.

Good for Mike, he lost the WS a few times. I'm sure that was what he was expecting to do.

Are you going to be mad at Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard when they reject the Orioles inevitably low-ball offer and join a team that has had a winning season in the past ten years?

To be clear, I'm not mad at Mussina, I hate him. There's a big difference. If BRob and Bedard leave to the Yankees or Red Sox, then yes, I'll probably hate them, although probably not as much. If they leave for another team, then I'll probably be somewhat fine with it. I don't really hold anything against BJ Ryan when he left.

And do you really think the Orioles low-ball players? If anything, I think they overpay for marginal talent. That's part of the reason why they are in the mess they are right now. They also seem to like to buy second tier talent, which is usually not a good value.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 27, 2007 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mussina

yes..always will be a traitor..worst move ever..

by timonium transplant on Jul 29, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus

Their fans are obnoxious. Check out what happened to this poor guy for wearing a Melmo shirt to Yankee Stadium.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXbkcri3_ig

Or this poor guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7rWh654214

by birdman on Jul 26, 2007 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Personally...

I've never had a problem at Yankee Stadium, even the infamous LF belachers. Wore an O's hat to a BAL-NYY game in later 90s as Mussina was pitching against Petitte.

Gets to be a 0-0 game into the 8th, and the natives get restless. I start getting the "Take the fucking hat off!" yells aimed in my direction, and I finally stand up and say "We're 20 games out. What the hell threat are we to you?"

I heard a bunch say "Oh yeah," and I wasn't bothered again.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

shea stadium is waaaaay better

the only time i root for the yanks is when they play the sox.

Jeremy Guthrie ROCKS!

by westcoastOfan on Jul 26, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes!

Thank you for recognizing that there are levels and degrees of evil!

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Jul 26, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with your last statement

As bad as NYY is, BOS is worse.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is fucking disgusting...

...it's like the lowest form of life on the planet on display.

Honestly though, that YMCA song they're singing is downright friendly compared to what I saw the last time I was at Yankee Stadium to see an O's game(which incidentally was the last year the O's were in the playoffs). I've said it here before but I'll say it again. Orioles fans getting beaten up by mobs of these assholes all over the place...including a guy AND HIS GIRLFRIEND getting the shit kicked out of them while two cops stood 5 feet away doing nothing. Fuck the Yankees.

by Jonnypops on Jul 26, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually

These kind of remind me of the UMD student section. We don't make sexual preference slurs, but if you're wearing an opposing jersey in our section (basketball or football, but we're generally drunker for football) we'll all just point at you and chant "Ass-Hole, Ass-Hole" over and over.

shrugs cost of doin' business.

by pipkin on Jul 26, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How the mighty have fallen?

C'mon, that's it? Geez, when I was at UM, the pre-game intros at b-ball games where the best. At UNC games, shaking upside down newspapers at J.R. Reid, chanting, "Hey J.R., READ THIS!"

And the Duck Fuke shirts from a few years ago...

UM was rated by SI or someone as one of the most obnoxious student sections a few years ago. Something like "Not as nuanced as Duke, but very effective."

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 26, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh no we still do all that shit

When JJ REdick was at duke most of the student section chanted "Fuck you JJ" at him. Then somebody started a "Fuck your sister." His sister is like 11. The next year not only did they still chant that, there were signs with pictures of his sister. I never could get behind the sister thing. Too vile even for me.

by pipkin on Jul 27, 2007 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

UMD

I was in the stands for every football game and like 10 basketball games this past year. The student section isnt as bad as the national press likes to label it, that "fuck you JJ" incident tarnished our rep permanently. The worst thing we do is the rock and roll part 2 chant where we proclaim the opposing team sucks. We dont even approach the level of those jackasses in the Yankees videos.

by UMterp08 on Jul 26, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I chuckled at the YMCA "rendition." I'll give them points for creativity -- then dock them for rampant homophobia.

As for the UMD student section thing... Yeah we were pretty loud and obnoxious when I was there (01-05), and we got a ton of negative press locally and nationally stemming from the post-Final Four and post-National Championship riots, then more for the F U J J chant, but those things happen at other schools, too, and just as bad.

West Virginia's student section is 50x worse than Maryland's (throwing D batteries at opposing football players), and no chants we did ever came close to UVA's "crackhead parents" chant at Juan Dixon.

Jamie Walker T-shirts: http://www.cafepress.com/beltwaysports

by CStoneNo37 on Jul 27, 2007 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

very true

and everyone's besainted "Cameron Crazies" held bags full of sugar (i.e., cocaine) in D.J. Strawberry's face his freshman year.

by pipkin on Jul 27, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"But the Dookies are so cute...."

fucking spoiled ass rich brats who never worked a day in their lives. Douchebags. Worse than Yankees fans, and almost as bad as Boston fans.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 27, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i say

we present this to pinstripe alley.

Jeremy Guthrie ROCKS!

by westcoastOfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

also... one last thing

what would "true yankees" say about this stuff? people like jeter and torre?

Jeremy Guthrie ROCKS!

by westcoastOfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i will

spout off about this tommorow

Jeremy Guthrie ROCKS!

by westcoastOfan on Jul 26, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why i hate the skanks

my first big league game:

i was 12, maybe 13, an orioles fan from NJ for some reason, and wore my nice new ripken jersey to the game (at yankees stadium). "who could get on a 12 year old ripken fan?" so 3 or 4 innings later, i'm getting trash thrown at me. a few 4 letter words here and there on top of that forever changed my already present dislike of the yanks to utter hatred and disgust. that and ive lived in yankee territory my whole life and yankee fans are without a doubt in my mind the least baseball saavy, ignorant, and bandwagon-y fans i have ever seen or heard in my life.

also, derek jeter is a prick.

by daveh873 on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why...

Derek Jeter
Scott Brosius
Jim Leyritz
Paul O'Neill
my buddy Joe Signs
Jeffrey Maier
Suzyn Waldman
Roger Clemens
Reggie Jackson
YES
Richie Garcia
Boy Wonder Brian Cashman
ESPN
Bernie Williams
Karim Garcia
Jeff Nelson
Jason Giambi
Derek Jeter

"I love you guys....I hate you guys." --Eric Cartman

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Jul 27, 2007 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RE:

You can add John Sterling and Jeffrey fucking Maier to that list. Also, they destroyed a Sinatra's version of New York, New York.

Although now, the Liza Minelli version always puts me in a good mood.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 27, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

John "Douchebag" Sterling

'Nuff said.

Also, I think we have a chance to win the suspended game.

by zknower on Jul 27, 2007 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I beg to differ

No we don't.

"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." -Bob Lemon

by jloving on Jul 27, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Torre picks his nose

This list can be rather long, and most of my gripes center around the knucklehead "fans". However, no one has mentioned Joe Torre's disgusting habit.

He doesn't take small swipes that the camera accidentally captures. No sir. He's digs and tugs and picks with great vigor and duration for the national audience. It seems that every second or third dugout shot has Torre tugging at his schnozz. It's disgusting.

by drj on Jul 27, 2007 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm doing my part!

If I see any of you at the game on Sunday, you will receive 1 of 2 buttons. This one is dedicated to the many Yanks fans that will be invading OPACY.

by RobG on Jul 27, 2007 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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by pipkin on Jul 27, 2007 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is there any way...

...to get these for the Saturday game?

by Jonnypops on Jul 27, 2007 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

here I go again on my own

ANDY PETTITTE

Truthfully, there's not much to dislike about Andy Pettitte. He seems like a good dude and a real professional. Here's why I hate Andy Pettitte, even disregarding his long-standing success against the Orioles: FOX cameras are in love with him. Back in the '90s when the Yankees used to win the World Series, Pettitte would be shown it seemed like 10 or 12 times every playoff game, even if he was doing nothing more exciting than sitting in the dugout or out in the bullpen. And when he DID pitch, oh would McCarver just about orgasm over him eventually. I mean, sure, he's a handsome guy, but for the love of God.

YANKEES/RED SOX

It is a great rivalry now because both of the teams are good. And even though I loathe large portions of both fanbases, I do appreciate anything where there's true hatred on both sides. But the rivalry is largely a fabrication on Boston's end, as the Yankees have long been the far superior franchise. Sure, right now it's a Michigan/Ohio State sort of rivalry, but for many, many, many years, it was more like Notre Dame/Navy. They always play, but the end was rarely in doubt.

BERNIE WILLIAMS

I don't like using this word much unless I'm really tired because then it is, for some reason, hilarious to me, but Bernie Williams is about the biggest pussy I've ever seen in professional base ball.

THE BRONX IS BURNING

Holy shit, really? This is about the worst fucking thing I've ever seen, and ESPN should probably stop making original dramatic programming. The Junction Boys was horrible, 3 was only saved by Barry Pepper being a really good actor, and Playmakers was a piece of shit to the maximum level. However, this is probably the worst of all. It is absurd.

This, of course, doesn't have a lot to do with the real organization, but fuck them, I blame them for lots of things that aren't really their fault because I hate them. In fact...

BILLY MARTIN AND GEORGE STEINBRENNER

Why didn't these two just fucking make out and get it over with?

YOGI BERRA

Yeah I went there. The fact that this idiot was the greatest catcher of all-time is astounding. I don't discredit his greatness as a ballplayer, but all those dipshit sayings are kinda like Ernie Banks. There's no way Banks was that happy all the time, which makes him kind of a liar, and there's no way Berra was so dumb. Plus, his son trying to do the same schtick was corny as hell.

I could go on, but lots of stuff has already been covered anyway.

To be totally fair, one thing I like about the Yankees:

Mickey Mantle was about the coolest guy to ever live, let alone play ball. He was so awesome that he could've played for the Communist all-star team and I'd still like him.

by SC on Jul 27, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not to mention...

dale berra and the fabulous early 80s mlb coke scandal. not sure how many folks around here remember that, but THAT was good times. dave parker? keith hernandez? keith hernandez's moustache? dudes were doing coke all up in the joint. i'm not sure, but i think for a few weeks they painted the foul lines pink so cats wouldn't get confused.

by jq higgins on Jul 27, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heres an A-Rod fun fact

Since 1996 (his first full season) through 2006 he leads the major leagues in home runs (HR), runs scored, runs batted in (RBI), total bases and extra-base hits. Of all players in baseball history at age 30, he is first all-time in both HR and runs scored, 2nd in total bases and extra base hits, 3rd in RBI, and 4th in hits. In his career to that point, Rodriguez had more HR, more RBI, more runs scored, and more base hits than all-time leaders Hank Aaron (HR and RBI), Rickey Henderson (runs scored), and Pete Rose (hits) did prior to their 30th birthdays.

Yeah, he sucks, Yankees suck. I have been an Oriole fan for 20 some years but I cannot truly fault A-Rod for much; the play against Boston in the ALCS when he swatted the glove may have lookeds sissy, but he was trying to keep his team alive and win the game. He could have trotted down the line and taken the out but the guy played to win. His stats are insane, no denying it and no one is gonna say hes on steroids. I hate the Yankees and everything about them but A-Rod really cannot be blamed for much.

by Baltimo on Jul 27, 2007 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Screw A-Rod

I still fuckin' hate him. Don't need a reason. Just like I hated Jum Leyritz. Didn't make a bit of sense to hate The Hit King, but I did. So sue me.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 27, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fuck Jim Leyritz

More Yankee lore bull shit. Shane Spencer and that goddamned Scott Brosius can shove it, too.

by SC on Jul 27, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm so pissed right now...

I couldn't even spell Jim right.

"There are 35 plasma-screen TVs in a sports bar in Hell, and they're all tuned to this game." - Roch Kubatko

by duck on Jul 27, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

re:

His stats are insane, no denying it and no one is gonna say hes on steroids.

I'm not accusing him, but why won't anyone say A-Rod is/was on steroids? Would you have thought Jorge Piedra was? Ryan Franklin?

I just find it weird that we give some guys (A-Rod, Griffey, many others) the benefit of the doubt, while guys like Tejada are routinely brought up once a year.

by SC on Jul 27, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with this...

...why couldn't he be on roids? Why can't he be on HGH right now? He's demonstrated a propensity to cheat in public whenever he gets the chance (the glove thing, the shout, the looking at catcher's signs). Why do people think this wouldn't extend off the field? There are plenty of ways to beat drug tests...and they don't even test for HGH. All it takes is money. And he's got plenty of that.

Now here's the DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying he is or isn't. I am saying nobody knows for sure, except A-Rod.

by Jonnypops on Jul 27, 2007 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really agree with this

Lots of the guys who have been busted were unexpected (Rincon, Grimsley, Salas).... why does everyone give some guys the benefit of a doubt? I think it's largely likeability. No one casts aspersions on Griffey because most people just really like him. But it wouldn't shock me if I found out he was using steroids (NO, I am not accusing him of such). But if it's just likeability, I don't know why A-Rod gets the presumption of innocence. He's great (the best of the day in fact) but hardly likeable.

by punkrawka on Jul 27, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats a valid point

I would have NEVER thought Franklin was on steroids. But I still firmly believe that he is clean, and even if he isn´t I´m not sure it matters much because as unfair as it is to keep him out of the conversation it happens and he weasesesels his way out.

by Baltimo on Jul 27, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hate..

the media fascination with the yankees.
jeffrey meier
all the yankee players

that being said...
I would much rather have Alex Rodriguez break Hank Aaron's record than Barry Bonds.

by dfleis on Jul 27, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I hate Yankee fans

They're ignorant animals. I still vividly remember a woman with her kids who was wearing an Orioles jersey with her kids at Yankee Stadium being pelted with beer and garbage in a 1997 blowout of the Yankees up in the Bronx. The security did nothing for twenty minutes and then eventually kicked the woman and her kids out of the stadium. I've been to a ton of sporting events and that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

I live in York and have to listen to all the horseshit about how knowledgeable they are and how they demand excellence and what winners they are. They don't know jack shit about baseball and want to run the best player in the league out of town. I can hardly wait until A-Rod leaves and that team competes with the Orioles for fourth place.

Actually, I really have nothing against the Yankees players. Compared to the Yankees of the late 1970's the recent models are classy gentlemen. I always hated that whole Bronx Zoo bit. They milked that act well into the 1980's long past its expiration date.

by yurizanow on Jul 27, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs