Payton to Chicago with Roberts?

by punkrawka on Mar 3, 2008 4:12 PM EST Comment 37 comments

OK, so two disclaimers: Heyman is frequently full of shit and this is pretty thin on details. Nonetheless, here goes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/specials/spring_training/2008/03/03/heyman.robert s/index.html

According to Heyman, Payton may be accompanying Roberts to Chicago, which is great. Redman is just about as good for a fourth outfielder, and way the hell cheaper. I thought Chicago already had four outfielders, but hey, not our problem. Hopefully this happens and nets us a whole slew of prospects... even though I will miss B-Rob. Also, I would love to see us pull Sean Hill if adding Payton makes that viable.

Update [2008-3-4 5:57:7 by punkrawka]: Sean Hill is not a person. I meant Rich Hill.

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Good God...

...they'll take Payton OFF our hands? And this will somehow net an extra player?

What are the chances we can get Cedeno AND Eric Patterson? Neither are ever gonna be special players...but I'd rather see them in the MI than Hernandez/Fahey.

by KenDixonFanClub on Mar 3, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This is a title

Who is Sean Hill? Rich Hill? Not going to happen.

I'm really excited at the prospect of shipping them off together. Although, mlbtraderumors.com is suggesting that the Cubs may send Marquis over in the same deal...which I'm not too hot about. However, it could be a good deal if none of the options for fifth starter pan out. Plug Marquis in until some team's rotation struggles or is riddled with injuries and trade he and Trachsel for prospects.

Lastly, Cedeno is not a better option then Hernendez. He's a butcher at short and second and the outfield. The guy can't field and he doesn't hit. His average will probably be around .230 in the AL East with a low OBP, and you'll get roughly the same output from Hernendez with a much better glove. Not to mention the stress pitchers must be under knowing that any ball hit to short is a risk for a blunder by Cedeno.

I've heard good things about Patterson, however. He might be a good option at second with Hernendez at short.

by Dr Orpheus on Mar 3, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno's AAA numbers

warrant a second glance from somebody. Dunno anything about his fielding, though.

by KenDixonFanClub on Mar 3, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oi

His Triple-A numbers are quite good, I'll agree. But he can't hit in the majors. Three seasons. He's had three seasons to prove that he's not worthless and he's provided nothing but being below average in every statistical measure. They're trying him out in center field this spring just to see if his value will increase. He's Corey Patterson without the great glove.

Why is it that folks are bashing Cabrera for not putting it together but are suggesting the Os trade for Cedeno who is the same kind of underachieving player as Cabrera? Do we want two guys who can't figure it out?

by Dr Orpheus on Mar 3, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno

I am not up on Cedeno at all, but I can't help but look at the AAA numbers and like what I see. Plus, he's only going to be 25 this year. his only full year in the majors he was 23. He was shoved into the shortstop role and batted in front of the pitcher. He would be an upgrade with the bat at short, but he would be a downgrade with the glove. .953 fielding percentage at short which is 14 points below Luis Hernandez.

So, do we want the offense or the defense? I'd say stick with Luis Hernandez.

by PWubbs on Mar 3, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dreams and hopes

Rich Hill is a pretty fantastic talent. He's a two with a lot of potential for more. But, yeah, he would be fantastic in Baltimore after doing well last year at Wrigley.

Personally, I think keeping Hernendez at short and having Cedeno at second wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. You want to have a good glove at short. Second is important, but short is a necessity. I'm still up for Eric Patterson or trading for a veteran. Heck, package some dudes up and send them to Colorado for whomever doesn't get the second base spot. They have a race out there with Jayson Nix, Marcus Giles, Jeff Baker, Clint Barmes, and Omar Quintanilla. Barmes would be nice, Nix would be better, and the name Quintanilla is just fantastic sounding. Try saying it. Quintanilla. BAM!

by Dr Orpheus on Mar 3, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Barmes would be nice?

Barmes is God awful bad. He has no business in the majors.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Mar 5, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Rich Hill

And no, it won't happen. But a guy can dream.

by punkrawka on Mar 3, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

b/c

in addition to not putting it together in the majors, cabs nver put it together in the minors and never even had a sniff of aaa (really), so there's reason to give a little more credit to cedeno's performance.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Mar 4, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

Cabrera sucked in the minors, too. Cabrera ever being more than a project is nothing more than a fabrication.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Mar 5, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Shawn Hill...

is a pitcher for the Nationals.

I came to Camden Yards to watch the O's and all I got was this lousy "Fenway South" t-shirt.

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Mar 6, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why they'd take Payton

Cubs are looking for a righty fifth outfielder who could play CF instead of Pie facing a tough lefty. It'd only be 40ish starts, and I'm not sure if Payton would be thrilled for that role. Or if he can play CF much.

by thecubsfan on Mar 4, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wake me up when the trade is done

I'm done with following Roberts rumors.

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 3, 2008 4:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I'm pretty skeptical of this one. it is coming from Jon Heyman after all.

"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Mar 3, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

this is going to happen

perhaps no this deal, but it's been all over the interwebs this past week that Cubs scouts were at the O's games and vice-versa.

MelMo happy again!!

by zknower on Mar 3, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Roberts

I wouldn't be surprised if Roberts is traded soon. That's not way I'm not following the Roberts rumors. I'm not following them because I don't put much trust in rumors. Roberts has been on the verge of being traded forever now.

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 4, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re

Last I heard it was still players from the group of Murton, Gallagher, Cedeno, and Marshall. I kind of like Murton but is he much of an upgrade over Luke Scott?

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Mar 3, 2008 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Nice

signaure. Robert Earl Keen is the man

by nittany lion on Mar 3, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

signature

by nittany lion on Mar 3, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think if we include Payton...

...the Cubs will include either Marquis or Ryno. And I think I'd rather have Ryno.

I'm so fucking tired of these rumors though. Either make the trade or don't. And if Roberts is considered for a trade in July, I hope there are teams with middle infield prospects.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Mar 3, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ryan Sanberg is making a comeback?

Cool! I always wanted to see Sandberg (and Dale Murphy) in an O's uniform.

by timg56 on Mar 4, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

have we

ever had a good deal with the Cubs?

All the ones I remember and up shitty for the O's

by merdon1332000 on Mar 3, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

John Parrish for Scott Moore and Rocky Cherry

Pretty good return for John Parrish, I'd say....

"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Mar 3, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We sent Parrish to Seattle...

...we got Moore and Cherry for Trax. But point made.

by KenDixonFanClub on Mar 3, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What did we get for Parrish?

"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Mar 3, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I think the O's paid the Mariners to take Parrish.

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 4, 2008 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sebastien boucher

he's a big centerfielder. no pop.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Mar 4, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

steve trachsel

Is who you are thinking of, IIRC.

Who'd we get for Hairston? Was that Sosa?

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Mar 3, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Sosa

Not a great trade, but we were stocking up on washed up sluggers.

"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Mar 3, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rich Hill

Would be a fantastic addition to the O's rotation. I'm not too high on Ronny Cedeno or Eric Patterson, but something like Rich Hill and Carlos Marmol would be a huge upgrade and youth infusion to the pitching staff.

[carries Carlos Pena's tub of Kool Aid]

by Wade Boggs Hair on Mar 4, 2008 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Matt Murton

is a good player too, but he wouldn't get a ton of PT with Markakis and Luke Scott at the corners. I guess he could platoon with Scott, but the team might be better off going with two guys who'd have regular spots on the team (e.g., SP and RP).

[carries Carlos Pena's tub of Kool Aid]

by Wade Boggs Hair on Mar 4, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re:murton

I'm all about the O's getting Murton. Luke Scott is 29 years old if he was going to be the man he'd already BE the man. An OF of Nicky, Jones & Murton sounds fine to me. Then at the trade deadline unload Scott for a prospect or two and go about your day.

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Mar 4, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hill and Marmol would be great, but...

It just isn't going to happen. Why would the Cubs suddenly part with two of their best pitchers when up until now they're talking spare parts?

I'm torn on Murton. Both Murton and Scott are at a place in their careers where they need a shot at playing every day. I guess I'd prefer Murton over Scott, but he's not that much younger and doesn't have much more upside.

I'd rather add another younger player to the deal. Someone on the other side of 25.

by silverstadium on Mar 4, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...but

at least he hasn't talked about carrying a concealed weapon!

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Mar 4, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If we deal Roberts...

I'll guess we add a player to this list:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-ten-worst-leadoff-hitters-since-1957/

We still don't know who will bat leadoff if this goes down.

Cedeno/Patterson? Better suited for the bottom of the order. Oops...Luis is there.

Mora? He still gets on base reasonably well (for this team) and, I bet you didn't know this about him--he can lay down a bunt.

Millar has the OBP but Trembley would never dream of it.

How about someone who hasn't been mentioned much: Nick. He can get on base. He's shown that he can steal a base, something Trembley cares about. He's definitely not the ideal choice, but who is?

by silverstadium on Mar 4, 2008 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

re:

Said it before, I'll say it again. If we don't get a 2B in return for any Roberts trade, then I guarantee Fahey leads off. He's skinny, white, has a good attitude and plays second base. I'll Old Fart my ideas up for you and you'll see what I mean:

Mora: HE'S A VET'RAN. HE HITS SECOND 'CAUSE HE LIKESTA. HE EARNED THAT. HE HAS BEEN TO THE PLAYOFFS!

Millar: WHAT! HE'S FAT. AND SUSPICIOUSLY WISHES TO HAVE A BEARD, POTENTIALLY SPREADING DYSENTERY AMONGST THE RANKS!

Markakis: WHY THAT'D HURT HIS ARE BEE EYES.

Hernandez: THAT YOUNGSTER IS A GLOVESMAN, NOT A BATSMAN!

Fahey: I LIKE HIS ATTITUDE. HE GOES TO GET'EM. HE'S A GO-GETTER. HE PLAYS SECOND BASE. HE IS OBVIOUSLY A FINE HUMAN BEING, BECAUSE HE SURE SUCKS AT BASEBALL. BUT GOSH FART IT ALL HE TRIES HARD. HE'LL BUNT THE RUNNERS OVER IF WE'RE IN A TIGHT SPOT!

(What runners?)

SHET IT!

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Mar 5, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs