Markakis renewed by club for just $455K
Seems the O's have decided to take a page from the Brewers and the Phillies and play hardball with their young talent. From The Baltimore Sun...
Markakis, who hit .300 last year with 23 homers, 112 RBIs and 18 steals, will make $455,000 after earning $400,000 last year. The outfielder is eligible for arbitration following the 2008 season.
"We couldn't come to an agreement with anything so we're just going to take it and get renewed," said Markakis. "That's just how the Orioles feel. I don't have much of a choice. I'm just going to have to deal with it."
Markakis, 24, is among several prominent young players to have their contract renewed in recent days. The Philadelphia Phillies renewed the contract of Cole Hamels at $500,000, a result that the ace left-hander called a "low blow." Hamels went 15-5 with a 3.39 ERA last season and is viewed as one of the top young pitchers in the game.
The Milwaukee Brewers also renewed the contract of first baseman Prince Fielder at $670,000. Fielder, the 23-year-old who finished third in the National League Most Valuable Player balloting last year, hit 50 homers with 119 RBIs last year.
"I'm not happy about it at all," Fielder told reporters. "The fact I've had to be renewed two years in a row, I'm not happy about it because there's a lot of guys who have the same amount of time that I do who have done a lot less and are getting paid a lot more."
What is the purpose of alienating the best young player you have on your team? Is making Markakis want to leave really worth the $500K or so it would have taken to make him happy? I just don't get this at all.
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The teams are exercising their rights to be fiscally responsible (har har). Learning that you need more than a good season or two to get that Gary Sheffield money isn't the worst thing in the world. Too bad for these guys that they're potentially part of a long-term experiment among owners to lower expectations, but tough shit, really. Later on, the owners will be able to say, "Look what Cole Hamels and Prince Fielder and Nick Markakis were getting paid. You're no different."

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i agree
he'll have to settle for the paltry $400k.
for the teams, it's just economics. they have to save money where they can.
Yep.
Remember, extra money we give Nick now means more money he can ask for each year he's up for arbitration, which is less money we have for player development overseas, for the farm system, for free agents, etc.
by silverstadium on Mar 4, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
It should motivate him
But it appears Hamels and Fielder are, so I'm curious to see if they are demotivated playing for their current teams or motivated to put up even more gigantic numbers. A lot of young guys are shaping up to have quite a payday next off-season.
by Cockeysville Crony on Mar 4, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Astros: new laughningstock of baseball?
Does that leave the Astros as the worst-run club in the majors?
I'm really
actually...
by jq higgins on Mar 4, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
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They also have some potential studs coming up from the farm.
Jay Bruce, and Joey Votto are expected to mash. Corey Patterson is at best some coverage in center should Freel completely fall off or Griffey get injured. The Reds are just waiting for Bruce to come in. They are solid at 2B with Phillips (who is overlooked) and Encarnacion should be solid at SS. Votto will come up to 1B. The bullpen is still shaky and they pulled an O's move by overpaying Cordero. They'll have to deal with Griffey and Dunn leaving, but there is some hope in Cincinnati. Of course it may not pan out, but they are in better shape than the O's.
"This is Birdland"
by drj on Mar 4, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
sigh
"This is Birdland"
by drj on Mar 4, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
and...
by jq higgins on Mar 5, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhhh....
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=saboch01
He did have a couple reasonable seasons for the Reds, though.
Yeah, the Reds are another one of those teams that could win the NL Central by default. They've got a promising future since they made the smart move and held onto Votto and Bruce instead of dealing them to us. Word is that they are letting Dunn go, though. Votto is the future at 1B and they don't have a DH slot for Dunn. Still, is Dunn that bad in the OF that they'd give up his bat?
by silverstadium on Mar 4, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
"Reds and Pirates are still worse"
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
The Pirates may be but not the Reds
The Reds
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
Dunn
All from memory! I've studied WAY too much for my fantasy baseball draft!
Mora putting up numbers today
Are we to assume on this small sample size that he came to Spring Training with something to prove? Or is this just a fluke, so far?
by tbone shelby on Mar 4, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions
Money
Its easy to call them whiny babies
Markakis
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
It just seems to me...
And yeah, I can see where a 24-year-old kid looks around the locker room and sees Huff and Gibbons and Payton and Millar and Mora and looks at the stat sheet and realizes they make more in a month than he does all season, and mentally he's counting the days until he can get out of Dodge.
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
correct me if I'm wrong
Any advantage you give a player now will cost you more later. Nick still makes more than virtually everyone in the country. Shut up and play ball.
Shut up and play ball, huh?
Seems to me this is how the Bengals got the way they were for almost 20 years...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
Why is it
by Sluggo @ Camden Chat on Mar 4, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
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Phillies are to Blame
Ryan Howard won the MVP and the Phillies went out of character and paid him double his slot with a 900K contract last year. This year, Ryan Howard wanted a big ol' raise in arbitration and won his case. So, even though they ponied up the year before, he still wanted even more money so he will never be happy.
Now, because he got paid $900K (which is still less than $1M and he won an MVP), people like Hamels (his teammate), Fielder, and Papelbon are all demanding they get the same treatment. The Phillies, if they had stuck to their guns and paid him a small increase, would've been fine and this would all be a dead issue.
Papelbon was quoted in saying that in his one year negotiations with the Red Sox, he told them he wouldn't accept anything less than 900K. First of all, he didn't win the cy young. Second, he is a closer and closers don't typically get huge pay days. They get paid more than a regular reliever, but not a huge pay day like a prime starter or position player. Now, would you pony up $900K to a guy who makes a demand like that? No, you pay him his slot and tell him to wait his turn.
Hamels said his 500K is a low blow. "I felt like it wasn't necessarily equal compensation for what I do and for what I can do," Hamels said. He has had nearly 2 seasons in the bigs, and he put up solid numbers. The Phillies paid him more than they had to so he got a raise from his normal slot and he sill isn't happy.
Fielder got $670K and he thinks it is a slap in the face because he got 3rd in the MVP voting so that means he is as good as Ryan Howard and his 900K.
See what happens when one team decides to reward a player? If the Orioles pay him $1 million, then every young player with any kind of talent will demand Nick's $1 million contract. We could be talking next year about how Scott Moore and Adam Jones are pissed that they didn't get Nick's contract. The slots were created by the player's union and the owners when the came up with the collective bargaining agreement. The players know what they are suppose to get, and for them to complain about a raise that they receive that it wasn't enough is just selfish. Red Sox fans are already starting to worry that Papelbon will be so hard to deal with contract-wise now that they could let him walk at the end of his arbitration years because they couldn't sign him long term. Anyone that speaks out like this against their team because of money is not out for the team. I agree with a comment I read elsewhere. When the Diamondbacks were in money trouble after they shelled out big bucks for veterans, you didn't see any one flipping money back to the team to help them out or anyone taking a pay cut. Players are in it for themselves and players like Hamels, Papelbon, and Fielder are on my shit list. I wouldn't want any of them on my team regardless of their talents because of attitudes like that. When will we get back to the days where teams are getting home town discounts because a player wants to stay loyal to a team that has treated him well? It won't happen except for a few isolated cases.
Next year, when Nick is signed to a long term deal to cover his arbitration years, this thread will be looked back upon and laughed at for all the disdain against the team.
This type of thinking...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
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"This is Birdland"
by drj on Mar 5, 2008 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
indeed
Not to mention Nick got a $1.8 million signing bonus.
I just can't feel sorry for him or any other of these fools.
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by OsFanFromFarAway on Mar 9, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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Well then every player is on your shitlist because they all want more money. Welcome to America, bro. The best you'll get in major American sports is a veteran taking less money to compete for a championship in his twilight years, like Karl Malone with the Lakers.

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Generalizations
As for Markakis' response, I like how ESPN tried to read into him being really upset. He might've complained to some relatives or friends about it, but he didn't go to the media. And, more than likely, the media dug this up and went after him.
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but
The team didn't do anything illegal.
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
Not sure this helps my argument...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
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O's play dangerous game with Markakis
The same article says MacPhail's history is to not talk long term deals until a player faces arbitration. I'd expect the O's to discuss a long term deal to take him through arbitration years and the first few years of free agency next year.
"This is Birdland"
2 different topics
But when it comes to athletes and money the attitude of the general public seems to be "They sholudn't have any!" and "Be happy you're not mining coal or spreading asphalt!" And what makes this so noticeable (to me, anyway) is that it doesn't seem to carry over to other fields of the entertainment industry. You don't hear anyone yammering away about how actors, writers, musicians & such are overpaid.
Or may be they do, in private. May be sports fans are the only ones who take it public by phoning in to the squawk radio shows.
by Sluggo @ Camden Chat on Mar 5, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions
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"This is Birdland"
by drj on Mar 5, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
That's part of what I'm wondering
I have no way of knowing.
by Sluggo @ Camden Chat on Mar 5, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Markakis took it so well..
MacPhail termed the contract situation with Markakis "regrettable, but not uncommon."
Markakis, however, was miffed. He left the team training complex long before the 5 p.m. deadline, but earlier in the day he told The (Baltimore) Sun, "That's just how the Orioles feel. I don't have much of a choice. I'm just going to have to deal with it."
I'm just saying, the O's could have kept him happy and spent maybe another $250K. And the next rook asking for the same $$$ can answer the question, "Did YOU hit .300 and 23 HRs and 100 RBI?" And if the answer's no, then Markakis' contract doesn't apply.
It didn't have to be this way.
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
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I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the raise he desired. I'm saying he shouldn't be surprised or pissy about not getting it. But I really don't think it matters. Heat of the moment stuff.

Gone but not forgotten...
I hope you're right...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
them's the breaks
I hope I'm right, too. If I'm not, yeesh. But I think Markakis needs to only go so far as to complain in the locker room for this to be squashed. He probably won't, but how many guys are going to come back with a negotiation story a lot worse than his?

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Not from negotiating with the O's...
"Yeah, 6 years of mediocre production and all I can get is SIX million a year? Shit ain't right, I'm telling ya..."
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
Nick
Unfortunately, the pay system for pre-arb players don't work according to a meritocracy. As other peopel said, if he's upset that Huff is making alot more for half the production, he needs to take it up with his union.
btw, I think Nick has handled this salary brouhaha just fine. He was understandably frustrated but he bit his lip. The press is making bigger deal out of this than it really is.
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
Money
First, the sun article stated they were $360K away from one another with neither side budging. If you just take the $470K he got renewed at and add the $360 (though I would believe MacPhail was at holding at $500K or so), you would get $830K. This is real close to, big shocker, Ryan Howard's $900K. Markakis was asking for Ryan Howard type of money. Ryan Howard won the MVP had a .313avg, 58 HR, and 149 RBI. So, let's ask the question. Did Markakis perform this well? No. Then the contract does not apply.
Second thing, I started looking up rookie's of the year and then what they made the year or two after they won the award. I would think if someone won this award they would be worthy of a nice pay raise. Just about all of them had their contracts renewed until arbitration or received finite raises above the min the team had to pay them.
Fans, historically, side with the players, especially fan favorites because they want them to stay with the team for their careers. I am sympathetic to his feelings, happy about his neutral reaction, and fed up with the media attempting to make the Orioles out to be the bad guys. Andy MacPhail has shown his ability to get deals done both in trades and in contracts. He has a history that shows he has the knowledge to do this. I trust his decisions, not because it doesn't matter if I do or don't, but I think he understands the process better than anyone we've had in the front office for a long time.
Markakis will probably sign long term probably through his arbitration years with club options after that to eat up a year or so of free agency. No one wants to sign long term with the Orioles right now, so why don't we let the MacPhail shape the team and get rid of the riff raff. Markakis will see how he is the leader of the team and Macphail will pay him for what he is worth.
You have a point...
Given that goalpost for a $900K contract, I'd say you are correct. Markakis aimed a little too high and the O's wouldn't budge.
I just hope this doesn't come back to bite them in a year...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
AT THE SAME TIME
How dicked up is it that Jeremy Guthrie's deal went up to $770K when he technically has less service time than Markakis, yet the better player has to settled for $455K?
Sure there's that clause that Guthrie's contract goes down to four bucks or whatever if he gets sent to the minors, but that's fuckin' window dressing. Guthrie has about as much chance to find himself in Norfolk this year on anything more than a rehab assignment as I do at bedding, I don't know, Oprah or Dane Cook.

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Guts
The Indians signed Guthrie to a major league deal out of college. Same with Loewen. I think that's why their pay rate is a bit different.
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
Exactly
by KenDixonFanClub on Mar 5, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest...

"Indeed"
by Jonnypops on Mar 5, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
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"This is Birdland"
Yeah, I see Huff giving back $$$ now...
Hmmmm, tough choice...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.
If $300k is going to turn Markakis away...
Everyone else has to go through the same deal, whether they are good or they suck. It was the same for my brother, too.
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Exactly. There are also lots of solid young players that take the money and shut up. I'm not saying there's no use in these guys going, "Hey, this system is kinda flawed," but take it up with the players union heads, not the press.

Gone but not forgotten...
by Scott Christ on Mar 7, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions

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