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Markakis renewed by club for just $455K

Seems the O's have decided to take a page from the Brewers and the Phillies and play hardball with their young talent. From The Baltimore Sun...

The Orioles failed to agree to terms with Nick Markakis by today's deadline, meaning the outfielder's contract will be renewed for the 2008 season.

Markakis, who hit .300 last year with 23 homers, 112 RBIs and 18 steals, will make $455,000 after earning $400,000 last year. The outfielder is eligible for arbitration following the 2008 season.

"We couldn't come to an agreement with anything so we're just going to take it and get renewed," said Markakis. "That's just how the Orioles feel. I don't have much of a choice. I'm just going to have to deal with it."

Markakis, 24, is among several prominent young players to have their contract renewed in recent days. The Philadelphia Phillies renewed the contract of Cole Hamels at $500,000, a result that the ace left-hander called a "low blow." Hamels went 15-5 with a 3.39 ERA last season and is viewed as one of the top young pitchers in the game.

The Milwaukee Brewers also renewed the contract of first baseman Prince Fielder at $670,000. Fielder, the 23-year-old who finished third in the National League Most Valuable Player balloting last year, hit 50 homers with 119 RBIs last year.

"I'm not happy about it at all," Fielder told reporters. "The fact I've had to be renewed two years in a row, I'm not happy about it because there's a lot of guys who have the same amount of time that I do who have done a lot less and are getting paid a lot more."

What is the purpose of alienating the best young player you have on your team? Is making Markakis want to leave really worth the $500K or so it would have taken to make him happy? I just don't get this at all.

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I really don't think this will be a big deal down the line. When time comes that they have to pay him, they'll pony up. There are countless things they could say to him right now to try to placate him.

The teams are exercising their rights to be fiscally responsible (har har). Learning that you need more than a good season or two to get that Gary Sheffield money isn't the worst thing in the world. Too bad for these guys that they're potentially part of a long-term experiment among owners to lower expectations, but tough shit, really. Later on, the owners will be able to say, "Look what Cole Hamels and Prince Fielder and Nick Markakis were getting paid. You're no different."


Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 4, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

i agree
the young savior still has to wait.

he'll have to settle for the paltry $400k.

for the teams, it's just economics. they have to save money where they can.

by thewaywardO on Mar 4, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.
I wouldn't have minded if they kicked a few hundred Ks more his way, but this is the way the system works. If the O's throw boatloads of cash at their talent that isn't even eligible for arbitration, they won't have the money for free agents when we hope to compete in 2-4 years.

Remember, extra money we give Nick now means more money he can ask for each year he's up for arbitration, which is less money we have for player development overseas, for the farm system, for free agents, etc.

by silverstadium on Mar 4, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It should motivate him
He can put up big numbers this year and then get big arbitration money if the team doesn't pony up next off-season. He's not the sulking type who will whine and become demotivated.

But it appears Hamels and Fielder are, so I'm curious to see if they are demotivated playing for their current teams or motivated to put up even more gigantic numbers. A lot of young guys are shaping up to have quite a payday next off-season.

by Cockeysville Crony on Mar 4, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

um. watching astros.
tejada boots slow roller in first inning.

and i mean slowwww. roller.

by thewaywardO on Mar 4, 2008 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Astros: new laughningstock of baseball?
Rays might surprise.  Orioles getting back to basics and rebuilding right (we hope).  Even the Giants did the right thing by not resigning Bonds.

Does that leave the Astros as the worst-run club in the majors?

by PhilR8 on Mar 4, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really
not that familiar with the Reds or their pitching, but with Phillips, Dunn and the two young guys Votto and Bruce they should have a pretty decent lineup for that weak division they are in.  Does Sabo still play third?
"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Mar 4, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

actually...
reds have surprisingly strong.  a potential rotation of arroyo, harang, belisle, cueto is pretty solid.
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Mar 4, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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I assume Belisle is Homer Bailey.

They also have some potential studs coming up from the farm.

Jay Bruce, and Joey Votto are expected to mash. Corey Patterson is at best some coverage in center should Freel completely fall off or Griffey get injured. The Reds are just waiting for Bruce to come in. They are solid at 2B with Phillips (who is overlooked) and Encarnacion should be solid at SS. Votto will come up to 1B. The bullpen is still shaky and they pulled an O's move by overpaying Cordero. They'll have to deal with Griffey and Dunn leaving, but there is some hope in Cincinnati. Of course it may not pan out, but they are in better shape than the O's.

"This is Birdland"

by drj on Mar 4, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

two words:
Dusty Baker. I can't take seriously any team who hires that hack.

by pipkin on Mar 4, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh
That's my worry. Homer Bailey may be one and done after Dusty gets hold of him. Plus the man loves his veterans.
"This is Birdland"

by drj on Mar 4, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

and...
i did mean belisle.  matt belisle, though i don't know what i was thinking.  pretty dreadful last year, though bailey does not project to be any better this year according to PECOTA.
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Mar 5, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhh....
Chris Sabo! Another illustrious Oriole free agent signing!

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=saboch01

He did have a couple reasonable seasons for the Reds, though.

Yeah, the Reds are another one of those teams that could win the NL Central by default. They've got a promising future since they made the smart move and held onto Votto and Bruce instead of dealing them to us. Word is that they are letting Dunn go, though. Votto is the future at 1B and they don't have a DH slot for Dunn. Still, is Dunn that bad in the OF that they'd give up his bat?

by silverstadium on Mar 4, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

"Reds and Pirates are still worse"
Actually the new guy running the Pirates seems good.  I would go with the Nationals or Mariners as the worst run franchises.  
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 4, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pirates may be but not the Reds
Reds are gonna be good.
"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Mar 4, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The Reds
The Reds could be good but it'll be interesting to see if they play the kids.  Dusty like the vets.  It's the same sort of situation with the Dodgers.  A bunch of good young prospects but there is some reluctance to hand the job over to them.  
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 4, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunn
is kinda what you see is what you get.  40 HRs, 100+ RBI, 170 Ks, .540+ slg, .360 OBP, .900+ OPS.

All from memory!  I've studied WAY too much for my fantasy baseball draft!

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Mar 4, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Mora putting up numbers today
I hope Mel saves some of this studliness for the regular season.
Are we to assume on this small sample size that he came to Spring Training with something to prove? Or is this just a fluke, so far?

by tbone shelby on Mar 4, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

maybe....
....it's because Moore has been hitting the cover off the ball.

MelMo happy again!!

by zknower on Mar 4, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Money
I just don't get why these guys are whining.  It's like Markakis said, they have no control over it.  The team has the right to pay their player the league min if they so choose.  Cole Hamels and Prince Fielder are whiny little babies if you ask me.  This practice has been going on for a long time now.  Big stars before them did not get big contracts until the teams had to pay them, so they will have to wait like the others.  Jim Rome said the other day how a few people like Grady Sizemore and Troy Tulowitzki got big pay days after their rookie seasons.  Congratulations, but they are in the very small minority.  Wait in line just like all the other big leaguers out there and shut your yaps.

by PWubbs on Mar 4, 2008 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Its easy to call them whiny babies
from our standpoint, but it's gotta be a little frustrating to know that your not getting paid what your worth. The Orioles shouldn't play with fire too much on this.
"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Mar 4, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Markakis
I don't have a problem with his salary.  Sure it might generate goodwill by paying him over slot but that goodwill means nothing when it comes to free agency.  Players will go to with the team that offer the largest contract and the best chance to win.  Paying Markakis over slot in 2008 isn't going to change that calculus.        
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 4, 2008 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

It just seems to me...
this was a chance to say "These ain't the same stupid O's." I'm not saying give him $5M a year, but $1M is gonna kill you? As for the next guy who demands it, just say, "Did YOU hit .300 and 23 bombs and 110 RBI? Didn't think so."

And yeah, I can see where a 24-year-old kid looks around the locker room and sees Huff and Gibbons and Payton and Millar and Mora and looks at the stat sheet and realizes they make more in a month than he does all season, and mentally he's counting the days until he can get out of Dodge.

I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 4, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

correct me if I'm wrong
But if Markakis makes a million this year then next year his arb numbers will have to reflect that.

Any advantage you give a player now will cost you more later. Nick still makes more than virtually everyone in the country. Shut up and play ball.

by pipkin on Mar 4, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Shut up and play ball, huh?
Because they should be SOOOOO in awe of the mere privilege it is to play for the Orioles?

Seems to me this is how the Bengals got the way they were for almost 20 years...

I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 4, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it
That in a country where free enterprise & earning top dollar for your ability, whatever that ability may be, are considered good things do we still expect athletes to live in the pre-Curt Flood days of the Reserve Clause?
"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo @ Camden Chat on Mar 4, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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He should also look around the room and realize those guys are older than he is and he's not even arbitration eligible. Then perhaps he should champion a network of young players that band together and go on strike!

Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2008 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Phillies are to Blame
$1M will it kill you?  Yes, it will.

Ryan Howard won the MVP and the Phillies went out of character and paid him double his slot with a 900K contract last year.  This year, Ryan Howard wanted a big ol' raise in arbitration and won his case.  So, even though they ponied up the year before, he still wanted even more money so he will never be happy.

Now, because he got paid $900K (which is still less than $1M and he won an MVP), people like Hamels (his teammate), Fielder, and Papelbon are all demanding they get the same treatment.  The Phillies, if they had stuck to their guns and paid him a small increase, would've been fine and this would all be a dead issue.  

Papelbon was quoted in saying that in his one year negotiations with the Red Sox, he told them he wouldn't accept anything less than 900K.  First of all, he didn't win the cy young.  Second, he is a closer and closers don't typically get huge pay days.  They get paid more than a regular reliever, but not a huge pay day like a prime starter or position player.  Now, would you pony up $900K to a guy who makes a demand like that?  No, you pay him his slot and tell him to wait his turn.

Hamels said his 500K is a low blow.  "I felt like it wasn't necessarily equal compensation for what I do and for what I can do," Hamels said.  He has had nearly 2 seasons in the bigs, and he put up solid numbers.  The Phillies paid him more than they had to so he got a raise from his normal slot and he sill isn't happy.

Fielder got $670K and he thinks it is a slap in the face because he got 3rd in the MVP voting so that means he is as good as Ryan Howard and his 900K.  

See what happens when one team decides to reward a player?  If the Orioles pay him $1 million, then every young player with any kind of talent will demand Nick's $1 million contract.  We could be talking next year about how Scott Moore and Adam Jones are pissed that they didn't get Nick's contract.  The slots were created by the player's union and the owners when the came up with the collective bargaining agreement.  The players know what they are suppose to get, and for them to complain about a raise that they receive that it wasn't enough is just selfish.  Red Sox fans are already starting to worry that Papelbon will be so hard to deal with contract-wise now that they could let him walk at the end of his arbitration years because they couldn't sign him long term.  Anyone that speaks out like this against their team because of money is not out for the team.  I agree with a comment I read elsewhere.  When the Diamondbacks were in money trouble after they shelled out big bucks for veterans, you didn't see any one flipping money back to the team to help them out or anyone taking a pay cut.  Players are in it for themselves and players like Hamels, Papelbon, and Fielder are on my shit list.  I wouldn't want any of them on my team regardless of their talents because of attitudes like that.  When will we get back to the days where teams are getting home town discounts because a player wants to stay loyal to a team that has treated him well?  It won't happen except for a few isolated cases.  

Next year, when Nick is signed to a long term deal to cover his arbitration years, this thread will be looked back upon and laughed at for all the disdain against the team.

by PWubbs on Mar 5, 2008 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

This type of thinking...
is the reason this country needs unions.
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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The Player's Union helped craft the system.
"This is Birdland"

by drj on Mar 5, 2008 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

indeed
and the players' union is the strongest union in the country, probably in the entire history of organized labor in the whole world. MLB players get the best deal out of all American athletes.

Not to mention Nick got a $1.8 million signing bonus.

I just can't feel sorry for him or any other of these fools.

by pipkin on Mar 5, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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whine whine... $455K is 10 times the average persons income and the kid is 23.  Let him prove himself for a few years before he makes the insane money the rest of pro-sports makes.  Unions are all about bettering the unions.  They dont care about their own workers. The story was different a hundred years ago, but today unions suck.

by OsFanFromFarAway on Mar 9, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Players are in it for themselves and players like Hamels, Papelbon, and Fielder are on my shit list.

Well then every player is on your shitlist because they all want more money. Welcome to America, bro. The best you'll get in major American sports is a veteran taking less money to compete for a championship in his twilight years, like Karl Malone with the Lakers.


Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2008 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Generalizations
The reason for them being on my shit list is the fact that they went to the media and negatively blasted their teams about their money situation.  Every person wants more money; yeah, that is true.  I want more money, you want more money, but you are arguing against one line and generalizing it to everyone.  Anyone who goes to the media to try and gain leverage against their team is only hurting their own team.  I'm sure the guys in the clubhouse didn't appreciate the comments made, but they aren't going to speak against their teammates.  It's a primadonna move, and I expect all three to fight tooth and nail for huge payouts in their arbitration years.  Only Papelbon is on a big market team, so that means Fielder and Hamels could be on the move a few years from now because they know they are going to bolt from the team the moment they have a chance.  

As for Markakis' response, I like how ESPN tried to read into him being really upset.  He might've complained to some relatives or friends about it, but he didn't go to the media.  And, more than likely, the media dug this up and went after him.  

by PWubbs on Mar 5, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but
Didn't the Players Union negotiate the current system to favor vets over rookies?  If the young guns are upset, they should have their union cap veteran salaries and put the money into increasing rookie salaries.  That's never gonna happen, but that isn't the team's fault.
Pitching, defense and three run homers

by Desert O on Mar 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

The team didn't do anything illegal.
I'm just saying it's stupid.
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 6:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure this helps my argument...
but Dan Connelly at The Sun agrees with me. Coulda been worse, coulda been Peter Schmuck...
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 6:47 AM EST reply actions  

re:
MacPhail made a comment that essentially said Markakis' day will come, and it will be next year.
O's play dangerous game with Markakis
"It is pretty clear in our collective bargaining agreement that the club has leverage in the first two years and 140 days of their career," Orioles president Andy MacPhail said. "And after that, the hammer swings over to the player's side."

The same article says MacPhail's history is to not talk long term deals until a player faces arbitration. I'd expect the O's to discuss a long term deal to take him through arbitration years and the first few years of free agency next year.

"This is Birdland"

by drj on Mar 5, 2008 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

2 different topics
Unions in all professions have always been seniority-based. The perks are for the grizzled vets while the fresh faced newcomers have to wait their turn. Fair enough.

But when it comes to athletes and money the attitude of the general public seems to be "They sholudn't have any!" and "Be happy you're not mining coal or spreading asphalt!" And what makes this so noticeable (to me, anyway) is that it doesn't seem to carry over to other fields of the entertainment industry. You don't hear anyone yammering away about how actors, writers, musicians & such are overpaid.

Or may be they do, in private. May be sports fans are the only ones who take it public by phoning in to the squawk radio shows.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo @ Camden Chat on Mar 5, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

re
What talk radio shows are dedicated to actors, writers, musicians & such?
"This is Birdland"

by drj on Mar 5, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's part of what I'm wondering
Do people really not get worked up over the money non-athlete entertainers make? Or are there simply fewer forums available to "discuss" (if I may abuse the word) their paychecks?

I have no way of knowing.

"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo @ Camden Chat on Mar 5, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Markakis took it so well..
he LEFT CAMP early that day.

MacPhail termed the contract situation with Markakis "regrettable, but not uncommon."

Markakis, however, was miffed. He left the team training complex long before the 5 p.m. deadline, but earlier in the day he told The (Baltimore) Sun, "That's just how the Orioles feel. I don't have much of a choice. I'm just going to have to deal with it."

I'm just saying, the O's could have kept him happy and spent maybe another $250K. And the next rook asking for the same $$$ can answer the question, "Did YOU hit .300 and 23 HRs and 100 RBI?" And if the answer's no, then Markakis' contract doesn't apply.

It didn't have to be this way.

I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

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And Markakis didn't have to (allegedly) be a baby about it, either. It's a union issue.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the raise he desired. I'm saying he shouldn't be surprised or pissy about not getting it. But I really don't think it matters. Heat of the moment stuff.


Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're right...
but the sight of Aubrey Huff making $6M a year and not putting up 1/2 the production would piss me off on a daily basis if I was Nick.
I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

them's the breaks
He should take it up with the team's union rep, I guess. That'll also make him no friends.

I hope I'm right, too. If I'm not, yeesh. But I think Markakis needs to only go so far as to complain in the locker room for this to be squashed. He probably won't, but how many guys are going to come back with a negotiation story a lot worse than his?


Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not from negotiating with the O's...
I can just see Aubrey Huff now...

"Yeah, 6 years of mediocre production and all I can get is SIX million a year? Shit ain't right, I'm telling ya..."

I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick
"the sight of Aubrey Huff making $6M a year and not putting up 1/2 the production would piss me off on a daily basis if I was Nick."

Unfortunately, the pay system for pre-arb players don't work according to a meritocracy.  As other peopel said, if he's upset that Huff is making alot more for half the production, he needs to take it up with his union.  

btw, I think Nick has handled this salary brouhaha just fine.  He was understandably frustrated but he bit his lip.  The press is making bigger deal out of this than it really is.  

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 5, 2008 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Money
I'm just saying, the O's could have kept him happy and spent maybe another $250K. And the next rook asking for the same $$$ can answer the question, "Did YOU hit .300 and 23 HRs and 100 RBI?" And if the answer's no, then Markakis' contract doesn't apply.

First, the sun article stated they were $360K away from one another with neither side budging.  If you just take the $470K he got renewed at and add the $360 (though I would believe MacPhail was at holding at $500K or so), you would get $830K.  This is real close to, big shocker, Ryan Howard's $900K.  Markakis was asking for Ryan Howard type of money.  Ryan Howard won the MVP had a .313avg, 58 HR, and 149 RBI.  So, let's ask the question.  Did Markakis perform this well?  No.  Then the contract does not apply.

Second thing, I started looking up rookie's of the year and then what they made the year or two after they won the award.  I would think if someone won this award they would be worthy of a nice pay raise.  Just about all of them had their contracts renewed until arbitration or received finite raises above the min the team had to pay them.  

Fans, historically, side with the players, especially fan favorites because they want them to stay with the team for their careers.  I am sympathetic to his feelings, happy about his neutral reaction, and fed up with the media attempting to make the Orioles out to be the bad guys.  Andy MacPhail has shown his ability to get deals done both in trades and in contracts.  He has a history that shows he has the knowledge to do this.  I trust his decisions, not because it doesn't matter if I do or don't, but I think he understands the process better than anyone we've had in the front office for a long time.  

Markakis will probably sign long term probably through his arbitration years with club options after that to eat up a year or so of free agency.  No one wants to sign long term with the Orioles right now, so why don't we let the MacPhail shape the team and get rid of the riff raff.  Markakis will see how he is the leader of the team and Macphail will pay him for what he is worth.  

by PWubbs on Mar 6, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You have a point...
"This is real close to, big shocker, Ryan Howard's $900K.  Markakis was asking for Ryan Howard type of money.  Ryan Howard won the MVP had a .313avg, 58 HR, and 149 RBI.  So, let's ask the question.  Did Markakis perform this well?  No.  Then the contract does not apply."

Given that goalpost for a $900K contract, I'd say you are correct. Markakis aimed a little too high and the O's wouldn't budge.

I just hope this doesn't come back to bite them in a year...

I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 6, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

AT THE SAME TIME
And this goes against most things I've been saying, and DOES make the club look kind of stupid...

How dicked up is it that Jeremy Guthrie's deal went up to $770K when he technically has less service time than Markakis, yet the better player has to settled for $455K?

Sure there's that clause that Guthrie's contract goes down to four bucks or whatever if he gets sent to the minors, but that's fuckin' window dressing. Guthrie has about as much chance to find himself in Norfolk this year on anything more than a rehab assignment as I do at bedding, I don't know, Oprah or Dane Cook.


Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2008 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Guts
"How dicked up is it that Jeremy Guthrie's deal went up to $770K when he technically has less service time than Markakis, yet the better player has to settled for $455K?"

The Indians signed Guthrie to a major league deal out of college.  Same with Loewen.  I think that's why their pay rate is a bit different.  

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 5, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly
Some of their signing money gets spread out over their pre-arb years, I think.

by KenDixonFanClub on Mar 5, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest...
...I don't think you'd have much trouble bedding Oprah or Dane Cook, assuming you wanted to.

"Indeed"

by Jonnypops on Mar 5, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

re:
So all these guys who are complaining. What if they decline in production? Will they feel the need to return some of the dough? That may not be likely now, but let's project 5-10 years down the road. These guys are highly likely to be handsomely paid. They'll probably be in decline for part of some large contract. Will they feel so angered then and kick back some money? So shut up now and put up with the system that's almost certainly going to make you quite wealthy.
"This is Birdland"

by drj on Mar 5, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I see Huff giving back $$$ now...
Let's see, give Nick the extra $300K he wanted, or piss him off while still paying Gibbons and Huff a combined $10 MILLION a season...

Hmmmm, tough choice...

I remember 14 straight foul balls in one at-bat.

by duck on Mar 5, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If $300k is going to turn Markakis away...
then by all means let him go.  He will get his due for arbitration, more than likely with a long term deal, 3-4 years, maybe more.  However, if doesn't want to sign with the O's because they didn't give him an extra $300k in the year before arbitration, then I wouldn't want him.

Everyone else has to go through the same deal, whether they are good or they suck.  It was the same for my brother, too.

by elsid on Mar 6, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

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Everyone else has to go through the same deal, whether they are good or they suck.

Exactly. There are also lots of solid young players that take the money and shut up. I'm not saying there's no use in these guys going, "Hey, this system is kinda flawed," but take it up with the players union heads, not the press.


Gone but not forgotten...

by Scott Christ on Mar 7, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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